What the...?? How Am i giving away liberty for safety? You have no point! i could say anything now and you will disagree with me. Heck you will even disagree with that! Even if disagreeing with both points makes no sense. I'm here to talk about cars. How about if you want to police the world to live by your needs and wants, restricting others from doing theirs because you find it dangerous and unnecessary - that you consider first, what it would be like to have your needs and wants restricted because other people find what you like to be too dangerous and unnecessary. And I would have no problem speaking in French or Spanish
. Stop turning this in to a you-against-us debate. You will achieve nothing except making me think you have some issues to work out. And don't think I am some brainless American patriotic moron who doesn't know what I am talking about. I was actually born England. Grew up in Australia, live in America.... So I can talk about this stuff with balance and perspective. Just like I can talk about driving big 4wds with knowledge and experience. So if you have a point, stick to it and explain it. Stop going off on tangents, because it is going nowhere.