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28-01-2023, 01:44 PM | #1 | ||||
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Thought this could be a place to keep all the new Thailand Special developments and news in one place, rather than a thread per vehicle for other entrants into the market - things that are on the radar for our market in the near future.
Starting off with a Chinese EV Thailand Special Quote:
Also the Kia ute everyone has been banging on about for what seems like a decade is also making the rumor mill churn out crap again: Quote:
In the first sentence, right off the bat with 'its not officially confirmed', with the amount of rumors and talk spreading around about this fictional Kia Ute been going on for years now I find it hard to believe its actually going to come here when its finally developed. Interestingly, the article states Kia is also leaving the 'bottom feeder' market to Toyota to have to themselves, instead targeting the Ranger for higher end sales in this market. Sounds like its going to be awfully congested at the top end of the Thailand Special market come 2025 if the rumors are actually true. |
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15-02-2023, 07:23 PM | #2 | ||
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Thailand Special shootout + American utes
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16-02-2023, 08:08 AM | #3 | ||
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I would seriously consider a Kia ute if it came out with the Stinger GT setup
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16-02-2023, 09:22 AM | #4 | ||
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To counter the Thais should incl South Africa made Amarok in this.......
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16-02-2023, 10:09 AM | #5 | ||
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16-02-2023, 11:39 AM | #6 | ||
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https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota...l-shock-twist/
This is an interesting one. Although i'm very skeptical as to it's validity. They believe Toyota is working on a mild hybrid Hilux that will add a tiny electric motor between engine and gearbox. From previous use of these it might save 0.5 to 1 L per 100 km or so of fuel, so it's stuff all, and if it is only at an early stage then it's still a couple of years away. With Ford supposedly having their PHEV Ranger ready next year, this is massively embarrassing for Toyota and seems like a huge panic move. As the article says, they are contemplating if it will actually be damaging for the brand because it's next to useless in doing anything, when your main rival is releasing a much, much more effective hybrid system. It would make them look silly. Especially considering they were hybrid pioneers, yet are so far behind the competition in the ute segment it's not even funny. |
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16-02-2023, 11:57 AM | #7 | ||
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Thats hilarious, mild hybrids are such a waste of time, absolute joke.
This is the problem when you sit at the top of the market, you think you can just chug along doing more of the same, until someone else comes out and gives you a reality check |
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16-02-2023, 12:02 PM | #8 | |||
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Looks like they are starting to panic. |
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16-02-2023, 12:44 PM | #9 | ||
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I doubt a company with 20yrs of class leading hybrid technology could only come up with whats been 'unearthed'.
You'll find they are playing it down and will be the ones doing the 'punching' much sooner than their main opposition. As if they'd go yep, you got us and its crap. The hilarious part is that 'car' people are swollowing the decoy. |
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16-02-2023, 12:51 PM | #10 | |||
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Given Toyota has been turning its nose up at EVs and has been doing more of the same for the past 20 years, I'm not sure its so clear cut and dry. They're slowly making moves but I think when countries like NZ turn around and put huge *** taxes on diesel Thailand Specials it might be an indicator of things to come if they don't pull their finger out. |
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16-02-2023, 01:01 PM | #11 | |||
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Very selective of you Franco. |
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16-02-2023, 01:34 PM | #12 | |||
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They are caught on the hop. While they pioneered hybrids, they sat on their hands in commercial vehicle applications. While others started work on EV's, they sat on their hands and expected hybrids to be good enough. Only now they are realizing they are years behind their opposition in this area too. So they rush one onto market and the wheels literally fall off the thing. Even now Subaru have had to put a stop sell on their version of it, and have stopped production cause guess what, the wheels are still falling off. You can't make this up. |
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16-02-2023, 01:52 PM | #13 | ||
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I reckon Toyota will be squashed globally by china brands, in 10 years their reach will be very different.
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16-02-2023, 03:11 PM | #14 | ||
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Rushed to market with the wheels falling off, is that anything like the DCT Powershift that saw owners stranded and the manufacturer left with a $10m fine...?
But, but, but, DPF something, someth.. |
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16-02-2023, 03:32 PM | #15 | ||
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Christ this Toy vs Ford chest puffing is a bit OTT......
I get its great that Ford after all this time in the Rangers cycle has the best product to market finally but lets not get ahead of ourselves yet.. Class leading is a headline but being no1 for as long as they have credit where credit is due even with a exhausted overdue chassis. When Ford retains No1 for some few years ahead and more then I'll say they have really broken the camels back. As for mentionning the other wannabeees ie Triton/Novara it no matter how far ahead they are of Toy at this stage, they will always just make up the numbers no more no less. Mitsu may jump a cog of 3 for its a ok product due to price points and Novara looks great but nothing else in the big picture winning over copious amounts of new customers. The market has spoken about them whats gonna change in units not alot really. Even a out dated Hilux will outsell it is all I can see the next couple of years till their new one arrives. Stuff the rest I'm waiting to find out more about the Amarok haha
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16-02-2023, 11:27 PM | #17 | ||
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Talk about tech - have these late new fandoogili Thai utes have heads up display nowadays ?
Wildtrak/Plat/Raptor ?
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17-02-2023, 11:53 AM | #21 | |||
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Are you still driving that 2010 Hilux?? Seriously Ford has had the Hilux for years.... My best mate gets a new SR5 every 18 months (since 2013) and I typically have had a new Ranger every few years for the same period, I just laugh at how Toyota fanboys think they are so great when in reality they are lack lustre buckets of ****.
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When you challenge a Hilux fanboi they normally accuse the Ford of issues like engine failures transmission rebuilds etc. but when challenged on evidence they go quiet..
In another thread somebody mentioned doing multiple 10 speed rebuilds - BS Surely Triton only sells on price nobody in their right mind would choose one otherwise
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17-02-2023, 12:19 PM | #23 | |||
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DXA552 is the alternator part number for anyone still rocking a KUN26R Hilux, no doubt everyone would have done one of those and the VGT actuator on the turbo by now on their 'unbreakable' ****box Oh and add a set of injectors to the tally too. |
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17-02-2023, 12:47 PM | #24 | ||
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Lets be honest, theres good and bad in any of them.
I had to pick up a new intake manifold for my 3.2 instead of just having the current one cleaned when it goes in for some work next month. As I walked past the Ford service dept I see a PX3 with its engine on the floor and a new one sitting next to it ready to go in, didnt make me want to sell mine as I love it, **** happens. |
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17-02-2023, 12:51 PM | #25 | |||
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I still laugh at the story about how Ford engineers made regular visits to the Hilux owners group, before and during the new Rangers development, to get feedback on how they use their vehicles and what they liked and disliked. They showed them photos and they reckon you could see their faces drop. Shattered their world. The Hilux hasn't been unbreakable for a long time now. |
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17-02-2023, 04:21 PM | #28 | |||
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In the big picture they are all nothing much - commercials no more no less. Triton has always sold on price not just recently - been the cheap alternative forever only way they have sales. Novara always looked promising but utter basket case’s mechanically and drive train. The top 2 are there for a reason better than the rest that’s it to me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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17-02-2023, 04:24 PM | #29 | ||
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Was in a late model single cab Triton a couple days ago as a passenger, the access/egress of the passenger side is a bit of a ****, its like the angle where the A pillar joins the roof you've got to crane your neck a bit to get in and out of that ****er with how high the seat sits as you step into the car.
Haven't experienced that before with other Thailand Specials, its a bit halal. I'm not overly tall either, if you were one of these 6 foot plus gigantors might be a bit nasty on your neck if you were someone like a courier/delivery driver who is in/out of the car every 2 seconds assuming the drivers seat is similar with the access/egress. |
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Seriously mate you have known of me for along time - that’s a puff of the chest post that is uncalled for turn it up. My experience in the parts game and mechanical world weekly for some 30/40 yrs has me very close to the ground from weekly repairs to wholesale parts sales and 4x4 business’s I deal with. I do not need to upgrade to every model like some - I have the bonus of being in near on every model companies test mules and go on test days….and have them over weekends at times. Please spare me you made yourself a goose. My son has the 2010 Lux for years now still going strong might I add barring the usual service items. I’m no toy fanboy at all nor am I a ranger one might I add. The best thing about them in todays world is the practicability nothing else. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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