FGX turbo police cars no longer have Brembos brakes

[Eaturbo]

Not big news but wonder why the Police FGX XR6 turbo's no longer get the Brembos front brake upgrade. Maybe Ford said that they weren't doing them anymore so you either take them as is or don't bother ringing us. Have seen 2 now with stock brakes.

[b2tf]

NSW ones still have them.

[Eaturbo]

Originally Posted by b2tf

NSW ones still have them.

Yeah just looked on Car Sales and seen a few used ones with Brembos. Maybe the last batch have missed out or it's just the QLD ones that have not got them now.

[Jastel]

Probably because they are not allowed to chase the criminals in case they "cause" them to crash....

[Whitey-AMG]

Boys in blue probably stopped ordering them with Brembos to appease the bean counters. Brembo pads and rotors ain't cheap so having the ability to replace with standard gear over the life cycle of the car would save thousands per car.
Money better spent on donuts and maccas......

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Boys in blue probably stopped ordering them with Brembos to appease the bean counters. Brembo pads and rotors ain't cheap so having the ability to replace with standard gear over the life cycle of the car would save thousands per car.
Money better spent on donuts and maccas......

They get maccas for free around here, it increases police presence. No lie. Its a way they get some form of security for a handfullof cheeseburgers. It does stop alot of stupid behavior, and for the pocket change it costs for food and wages it slowly makes the world a slightly better place

[Whitey-AMG]

In Victoria they get discounts , not freebies anymore. And only if they are in uniform.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Boys in blue probably stopped ordering them with Brembos to appease the bean counters. Brembo pads and rotors ain't cheap so having the ability to replace with standard gear over the life cycle of the car would save thousands per car.
Money better spent on donuts and maccas......

In NSW they apparently get new rotors, pads and tyres after any pursuit. Soon adds up.

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by b2tf

In NSW they apparently get new rotors, pads and tyres after any pursuit. Soon adds up.

From what I know, after every persuit they get taken off the road for a safety inspection that makes a pink slip look like a cake walk. Probably why with the high kays, the persuit cars that troll the Hume from Sydney to Canberra hold any form of value. Monster kays, but turn key reliability. Brakes aren't really important on a freeway I suppose

[Qwerty321]

Originally Posted by b2tf

In NSW they apparently get new rotors, pads and tyres after any pursuit. Soon adds up.

That seems a tad excessive... Talk about budget inefficiency

[M&Ms]

Originally Posted by Qwerty321

That seems a tad excessive... Talk about budget inefficiency

It is the public service we are talking about here...

[ford man xf]

Originally Posted by Qwerty321

That seems a tad excessive... Talk about budget inefficiency

And you can be guaranteed that the person who came up with this regulation would have never held a spanner in their life, there 4 years at University has now given them all the life experience they will never need and to justify their job they need to come up with more and more regulations...

[au2000]

Originally Posted by Qwerty321

That seems a tad excessive... Talk about budget inefficiency

its based on a safety issue.. for members & the public.. nothing worse than a Hwy car having completed a high speed chase / stops repeatedly and being thrown back into service quickly & having the same pads or disks fail causing accident.
Vicpol do this to their highway cars (mind you not brembo fitted) after each high speed use.

[FPV GTHO]

I didn't realise QLD HWP got them to begin with

[The Monty]

QPS cars never got them.

[Qwerty321]

Also on a side note what's so special about Brembo brakes? Can't you just get equally good brakes without the Brembo name and save a lot of money?

As far as I can tell Brembo is the Sennheiser of the car world and unless you're buying the ultra high end then you're just paying one hell of a brand premium.

[superfly]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

I didn't realise QLD HWP got them to begin with

Me either. Never seen a Qld XR6 turbo HWP car with brembos.

[FPV GTHO]

Half price around here.

[arronm]

You obviously have never driven a car with them.

"We have aerodynamic cars and can build engines"-- Henry Ford.

[adumb]

From what I remember Brembos were fitted as there was a test or standard that had to be passed and stock SS Commodore brakes passed but stock XR6T didn't, hence the Brembos.

[Tassie f100]

Surely if the standard brakes weren't up to a safe level the manufacturer would fit a better product.Why would the HWP cowboys need any better brakes than us mere minions seem to be able to drive with.Any brakes should be good enough for a quick 5-10 min dash down the highway

[arronm]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Surely if the standard brakes weren't up to a safe level the manufacturer would fit a better product.Why would the HWP cowboys need any better brakes than us mere minions seem to be able to drive with.Any brakes should be good enough for a quick 5-10 min dash down the highway

Std brakes are the bare minimum. I could kill a set on the warm up lap. 1st lap no brakes

If you drive hard the best place for standard brakes is the bin

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by arronm

Std brakes are the bare minimum. I could kill a set on the warm up lap. 1st lap no brakes

If you drive hard the best place for standard brakes is the bin

I agree with this 100%.

Brembo 4 pistons with the standard pads are not good enough for hard driving at speeds between 120-200 kph with repeated braking over some 4-5 minutes- you will suffer massive brake fade.

With police HWP doing a high speed chase with heavy braking from high speeds, I would hope the police are provided cars with decent brakes for their safety, and that of the public. 4 piston brembos with upgraded pads are the minimum I would have thought for HWP to give them capacity to safely perform high speed pursuits.

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by arronm

Std brakes are the bare minimum. I could kill a set on the warm up lap. 1st lap no brakes

If you drive hard the best place for standard brakes is the bin

Have you tried driving a car around a track with 4 wheel drum brakes.
Kevin Bartlet did it in the Channel 9 Camaro. And even he would tell you how dangerous it was.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Surely if the standard brakes weren't up to a safe level the manufacturer would fit a better product.Why would the HWP cowboys need any better brakes than us mere minions seem to be able to drive with.Any brakes should be good enough for a quick 5-10 min dash down the highway

Standard brakes work perfectly well and are safe for safe driving. Start pushing the limits ( high speed pursuit or track work or consistent spirited driving ) and the standard brakes cook , they get spongy and their performance drops off dramatically. High performance brakes address these deficiencies for those that require it. Brembo brakes are an excellent piece of kit. Combined with good rotors , braided lines and high boiling point fluid , you can be confident that your brakes will not let you down whatever you do.

Equipping the HWP cars with big brakes might be expensive but IMHO I'd be $&)(:; my self driving at high speeds in our Falcons without em. You don't need em on the rear , but the front is a MUST have.

[Blem]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Standard brakes work perfectly well and are safe for safe driving. Start pushing the limits ( high speed pursuit or track work or consistent spirited driving ) and the standard brakes cook , they get spongy and their performance drops off dramatically. High performance brakes address these deficiencies for those that require it. Brembo brakes are an excellent piece of kit. Combined with good rotors , braided lines and high boiling point fluid , you can be confident that your brakes will not let you down whatever you do.

Equipping the HWP cars with big brakes might be expensive but IMHO I'd be $&)(:; my self driving at high speeds in our Falcons without em. You don't need em on the rear , but the front is a MUST have.

Just for what it's worth I've just flushed my brake fluid again for the 4th time in 60k. I've done about 15 track days in that period & have gone through 2 front rotors & now have 2 sets that I rotate between using & machining. Rears are still good in mm.
There is not a lot of difference in wet boiling temps between 5.1 dot down to 3.1. From memory (I just did pads, rotors & fluid 2 weeks ago) with basic fluid it goes up 20degs celcius.
240c - 3.1
260c - 4.1
280c - 5.1
Having said that one manufacturer claims the same spec range for their race fluid 4.1 to suit 5.1...$13/500mls
Also saw fluid for $60/500mls. That will suck moisture & need to be replaced very, very regularly.

[snakeoil]

The standard falcon brakes are bloody awful I carry a chain and anchor which I throw out the passenger window if I have to stop in a real hurry................very effective gets a bit cold though in the winter...............

Snake

[GS608]

QLD police falcons never had brembos to begin with..

[SSVPom]

There's a 2015 FGX Turbo ex-NSW HWP patrol car with Brembos for $29990 drive away on carsales, with 85k on the clock. Not bad value and still under factory wty too.

Quite a few of these make it to Vic after heading to auction in NSW.

[Tassie f100]

If these Brembos are so good and so expensive why don't the Cops swap them over for the standard brakes when they get their new pursuit cars?