best engine?

[nb_351]

in your opinion, what is the best engine in the last 20 or so years?
ideas like the 2l cosworth, evo 2l 4g63, rb26, windsor v8, 5 litre chev, 350 chev, etc...
would like to know what people think...
i believe the rb is the best motor... cant beat being told to leave a competition, being bood by the crowd it beat, and have a new championship/organisation formed to stop things like it returning...

[Whitey-AMG]

My vote would have to go to the new BMW V10 in the M5.
Everything I've read about it has been positive.......it's technically brilliant, heaps of grunt, forced MERCEDES to go forced Induction on all their top spec models to compete. A street production V10 that can REV to 8,250rpm and generate over 510 HP will always get my vote.............

It also won engine of the YEAR in 2005 as voted by a panel of International judges in the automotive Industry........It beat the Ferrari F430 !!!!!!!

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by ESP

My vote would have to go to the new BMW V10 in the M5.
Everything I've read about it has been positive.......it's technically brilliant, heaps of grunt, forced MERCEDES to go forced Induction on all their top spec models to compete. A street production V10 that can REV to 8,250rpm and generate over 510 HP will always get my vote.............

It also won engine of the YEAR in 2005 as voted by a panel of International judges in the automotive Industry........It beat the Ferrari F430 !!!!!!!

It doesn't make over 510hp. It makes exactly 500hp @ 7750rpm. It also didn't force Mercedes-Benz to do anything. They came out with the Supercharged E55 in 2003 - two years before the M5 came out with the V10. The S/C E55 came about due to the inadequacy of the N/A engine that came before it, and their desire to produce the fastest vehicle in that class, which the S/C engine insured - the V10 M5 couldn't take it down.

Anyway, I take those International this and that awards with a grain of salt.

So, most impressive engine of the last 20 years? Hard call. There are many standout motors...

BMW F1 1.5 4cyl... they got 1500hp out of it. Not in race mode, it would tear itself apart, but still, that's 1000hp/litre. Normally I don't talk HP/Litre, but that is impressive.

Bugatti 8.0 Quad-Turbo DOHC 64-valve W16. To have an engine in such a light state of tune produce such power is phenominal. 736kW @ 6000rpm, 1250Nm @ 2200-5500rpm. Unlike every other supercar, it's not a whiz-bang rev machine with no torque until 329084903247863452343rpm that needs gears and revs to get going. It's my kind of setup. Any gear, and rpm, any time, bone-crunching power. And there's a hell of alot more left in it.

Porsche Air-Cooled Flat-Six, various forms. Absolutley gun engine. From the 176kW 2.7 Boxster to the killer 545kW 3.0 Twin Turbo 962 LeMans, they're a phenominal and unique engine.

Volkswagen 1.4litre 16-valve petrol inline-four. Ok, may seem odd, but bare with me. In a time of expensive petrol and uncertainty with future reserves, this engine is outstanding. It's a naturally aspirated petrol engine. No special technology. No variable this, electronic that. Just a 4v per cyl four-banger, which returns better fuel economy then Toyota's hybrid four-cyls and most diesel's. I rate it very highly.

There are so many more, I just can't decide...

[BPXR6T]

I can't add much as I'm no expert. But best engine I've driven was a BMW M roadster. "The M roadster features a 3.2-liter DOHC, 24-valve inline 6-cylinder engine with Double-VANOS "steplessly" variable valve timing, 315-horsepower, and 251 lb-ft of torque". The numbers aren't big but it was very smooth and very fast in such a light car...

[Fairlane]

Damn thats a hard one really, but ones thing for sure is it aint the Windsor, 350 chev or 308 holden.


Personally im a fan of the old 1UZ-FE, it was top notch stuff for 1989.

[Wokkas]

Originally Posted by nb_351

i believe the rb is the best motor... cant beat being told to leave a competition, being bood by the crowd it beat, and have a new championship/organisation formed to stop things like it returning...

Ha ha ha. You've got a good point there.

Any NA engine that can generate more than 100Nm per litre is impressive in my eyes.

Without running the risk of sounding boring, the motors in the V8 super cars are pretty impressive really.... 650hp from a pushrod 5Ltr limited to 7500rpm.

rev for rev for displacement, that's better efficiency than F1!!!

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

the motors in the V8 super cars are pretty impressive really.... 650hp from a pushrod 5Ltr limited to 7500rpm.

rev for rev for displacement, that's better efficiency than F1!!!

I'd say the opposite of this is true. F1 engines 2.4 Litre v8's with 900-1000 hp at 19000 rpm, v8 supercars 5 Litre v8's with 650 hp at 7500rpm.

Less than half the displacement and over 50% more power.

F1 engines are unbelievable albeit they cost over a million dollars each.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by ltd

I'd say the opposite of this is true. F1 engines 2.4 Litre v8's with 900-1000 hp at 19000 rpm, v8 supercars 5 Litre v8's with 650 hp at 7500rpm.

Less than half the displacement and over 50% more power.

F1 engines are unbelievable albeit they cost over a million dollars each.

Atleast the V8 Supercars, sound like V8s.

V8 F1s sound like buzzing bees. :evil3:

[mowog]

The Toyota 2ZZGE 1.8l non turbo 141kw at 8000rpm

1.8l fuel economy Turbo performance cheap insurance

Lotus use it in supercharged form and NA as well.

My next choice would be the Mini Cooper S 1275 engine the first hot hatch. Sounds awesome wth the right exhaust.

[TEaaron]

I'd probably have to say the honda H22 Vtec, amazing amounts of power from a N/A 4cyl, 200hp+

[xf pano]

Have to say any of the Nissan RB series engines, specificaly the RB26dett godzilla. Although nothin beats the sounds of a hard revving clevo, you gotta give these rice engines respect for what they are.

[Wokkas]

Originally Posted by ltd

I'd say the opposite of this is true. F1 engines 2.4 Litre v8's with 900-1000 hp at 19000 rpm, v8 supercars 5 Litre v8's with 650 hp at 7500rpm.

Less than half the displacement and over 50% more power.

F1 engines are unbelievable albeit they cost over a million dollars each.

Ahhh, yes, but as you say, F1 engines need 19-20,000 rpm to do it. the V8 5 litres only have just over 1/3rd the engine speed. It's very easy to make power with revs.

It's a bit hard to explain what I'm getting at, but obviously F1s have a greater specific power/displacement.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

Ahhh, yes, but as you say, F1 engines need 19-20,000 rpm to do it. the V8 5 litres only have just over 1/3rd the engine speed. It's very easy to make power with revs.

It's a bit hard to explain what I'm getting at, but obviously F1s have a greater specific power/displacement.

Go on then, make your car rev that hard and put out 1000HP if it's so easy, and show me how to do it, cos that would be awesome

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by ltd

I'd say the opposite of this is true. F1 engines 2.4 Litre v8's with 900-1000 hp at 19000 rpm, v8 supercars 5 Litre v8's with 650 hp at 7500rpm.

Less than half the displacement and over 50% more power.

F1 engines are unbelievable albeit they cost over a million dollars each.

The 2.4 V8's do not make close to 900hp. They make in the 700-750hp range at 19,000-21,000rpm.

The old 3.0 V10's had 900-950hp at 17,000-19,000rpm.

A V8 Supercar, limited to 7500rpm, makes close to 700hp.

It's impossible to compare race engines, because they are all limited by rules. At the moment the F1 engines utilise mainly RPM to make their power, whereas the Supercar's have capacity to fall back on.

[elgt146]

In V8 Terms and car terms I would say Hemi V8 would be best.

In History & Application Terms Rolls Royce Merlin - They won the war for us.

Remembered in History Terms - V8 Chev Motor

In Australia close between The Holden 6 & the 308 V8. Repco V8 is another.

[99XR6]

I'd have to say the carby 289 windors, there's not sweteer sounding V8 around.

[Full Spectrum]

VN Group A Twin Throttle Body V8.

[chevypower]

*350 small block Chevy - cheap to produce, good in anything - sports cars, race cars, motorhomes, four wheel drives, speed boats, cabin cruisers, family sedans - no matter what you put it in, its a good motor - fairly economical too

*5L V10 twin turbo diesel - Volkswagen - daring to do something different, great high tech motor good for what it's designed to do

*BMW V10

*Mercedes twin turbo V12


I do think one of the best prototype engines produced lately is the Tri-flex V10 from the Ford Superchief concept - for power, and flexibility in a time of unsurety of the future in fuels, and being able to adapt to what we have now, future short term (Ethanol) and long term (Hydrogen)

[Perana]

Id say the Ford Cosworth FVA/BD series/GAA/DF series (all essentially the same design)... The FVA and BD series being based on the kent engine, the DFseries being basically 2 FVA's on a common crank, and the GAA being an Essex V6 with FVA style heads.

a design that lasted in production and motorsport from the early 60's until the end of Group B rally cars in the mid to late 80's for the BD and into the early 90's for the DF series in Formula 1. With Cosworth still producing many of the parts used by these engines.

The BDseries being one of the most copied engine by other manufacturers shows just how great the engine was.

In fact anything done by cosworth is pretty damn good.

[Shonky]

The 1595cc 4 cylinder engine from the Landrover Series I

50bhp @ 4000rpm
80 lb/ft @ 2000rpm

All this in a 1.3 tonne truck!

Anyone want to take a stab at the 1/4 mile times?

(yes I am joking...)

[mcflux]

The Family II plus its corresponding drivetrain

[Ryan]

I think either the RB engines or the Beamer engines, as far as 6s are concern, for the V8s, Hmmmmmm it'd have to be either the 351 or the 308/304.

[ClevlndStemer]

The 1UZ-FE was a really refined V8 engine for its time. outclassed everyone back in 1990 (and still does to this day). M5 V10 is a masterpiece and I would say the RX8 rotary. The BMW 6's are the best no doubt.

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by nb_351

in your opinion, what is the best engine in the last 20 or so years?
ideas like the 2l cosworth, evo 2l 4g63, rb26, windsor v8, 5 litre chev, 350 chev, etc...
would like to know what people think...
i believe the rb is the best motor... cant beat being told to leave a competition, being bood by the crowd it beat, and have a new championship/organisation formed to stop things like it returning...

If we said the last 50years it would be small-block Chev hands down .. sorry Ford diehard Ford fans. No engine in this list would have been built in as many numbers or applied to as many diverse applications. It's simple, powerful, can be relatively economical ... a typically good American-type design of the pre-70s ... unlike most of their stuff from 70s-80s :(
Rod.

[SPK-250]

1.I'm going with the 1UZ-FE and VH41/45 from the nissans. All alloy, 6 bolt mains 4 cams etc etc. Can't wait till the aftermarket gets stronger for these particular lumps.

2.Oh but for sheer enjoyment of pure grunt i'd have to say the CLEVELAND gets my vote through and through.

3.The Holden 5 litre from VN onwards. Those heads are brilliant. Under-rated by the general motoring public.

4.400 chev. Some is good, more is even better.

[MRJUCY]

The Ford/Cosworth DFV dominated F1 for so many years, is way over a 20 year old design tho as is my favorite street engine the mighty Clevo.

[351ciofgrunt]

I'll also put in my vote for the mighty cleveland! nothing beats the sound of a wound up 351c with dual 3inches... (in my opinion of course)

[Homer1]

I'll have to say the BMW I6 engine in any size.

Also the new AMG 6.3L V8 is an absolute ripsnorter of an engine. I think It beats the M5 V10 for drivability. Most car mags have criticised that engine for its lack of low end tractability. Also heard the engines one after the other at the GP, the AMG V8 sounds sooooo much fruitier!!! Could hardly hear the M5 even though the driver was fanging it.

[OED666]

Ford 4.0L I6...

I LOVE THEM!!!

[Kenaz]

Biased answer: Windsor V8
Non-biased answer: RB26-DETT