Vfacts October

[Rob 351]

Great result for Ford. Up 17% and 4th overall..

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...pB8la4EIs-JYSR

[Bossxr8]

No 1 spot was very close. Just over 200 cars separating Hilux from Ranger. But Ranger was up 33%, and Hilux 26%.

I was expecting the new Hilux to increase sales over Ranger, but it doesn't appear to be doing so. The big price rises might be behind that.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

No 1 spot was very close. Just over 200 cars separating Hilux from Ranger. But Ranger was up 33%, and Hilux 26%.

I was expecting the new Hilux to increase sales over Ranger, but it doesn't appear to be doing so. The big price rises might be behind that.

Kudos to Toyota for keeping strong pricing with new Hilux, the improvements are there
but I suspect that over 4,000 RAV4 sales also played a big part in moderating Hilux sales.
That and 2,000 Prado sales.....

[jpd80]

RAV4......4,084......around half of the sales were hybrids

Everest.....601......another promising month and good back up for strong Ranger sales.

[DFB FGXR6]

Top 10 Brands -

Toyota 19,505 +14.8%
Mazda 7457 +17.1%
Hyundai 5951 -20.2%
Ford 5744 +17.4%
Kia 5304 +4.8%
Mitsubishi 4510 -6.3%
Nissan 3539 -11.8%
Volkswagen 3112 -26.3%
Mercedes-Benz 2930 -9.4%
Subaru 2902 -12.1%

Top 10 Models -

Toyota HiLux 4444 +26.4%
Ford Ranger 4217 +33.4%
Toyota RAV4 4084 +91.6%
Toyota Prado 2207 +45.9%
Toyota Corolla 1943 -8.2%
Isuzu D-Max 1932 +51.5%
Mazda CX-5 1912 +11.9%
Hyundai Tucson 1678 -0.9%
Toyota LandCruiser wagon 1640 +23.8%
Kia Cerato 1619 -11.4%

Ford Numbers -

Ford EcoSport 1
Ford Endura 75
Ford Escape 10
Ford Everest 601
Ford Fiesta 8
Ford Focus 109
Ford Mondeo 3
Ford Mustang 185
Ford Puma 210
Ford Ranger 4X2 409
Ford Ranger 4X4 3,808
Ford Transit Custom 233
Ford Transit Heavy 92
Ford Total 5,744

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ford Numbers -

Ford EcoSport 1
Ford Endura 75
Ford Escape 10
Ford Everest 601
Ford Fiesta 8
Ford Focus 109
Ford Mondeo 3
Ford Mustang 185
Ford Puma 210
Ford Ranger 4X2 409
Ford Ranger 4X4 3,808
Ford Transit Custom 233
Ford Transit Heavy 92
Ford Total 5,744

Let's have eleventy bazillion SUVs and then hardly sell any of them and then have only one micro car in the $35K price point and sell single figures

[jpd80]

Ford should look at getting hybrid Escape here, Toyota is cashing in on hybrids
with half of all RAV4s sold being hybrids, that's like 2,000 sales alone last month.

Hybrid is an area where new Escape could compete really well, diesel not so much.

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford should look at getting hybrid Escape here, Toyota is cashing in on hybrids
with half of all RAV4s sold being hybrids, that's like 2,000 sales alone last month.

Hybrid is an area where new Escape could compete really well, diesel not so much.

With the recent "new spec" hilux and prado being released, "I have heard" with some aftermarket bull bars, that are not designed and approved to fit yet, causing some buyers (mostly private), to put their already paid for and ready to deliver vehicles on hold. some have taken delivery, but those who live in the areas of kangaroos and livestock, choose to wait.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford should look at getting hybrid Escape here, Toyota is cashing in on hybrids
with half of all RAV4s sold being hybrids, that's like 2,000 sales alone last month.

Hybrid is an area where new Escape could compete really well, diesel not so much.

They should have got the hybrid here from the start. Now with the PHEV being recalled in europe, due to a supplier electrical component causing a few to catch fire during charging, we won't even see the PHEV for at least 12 months.

Are they not looking at RAV4 Hybrid sales hard enough? Cause they damn well should be. It's not an anomaly, they are selling heaps of them, and have been for months on end.

[BENT_8]

25% market share, the sheep have spoken..

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They should have got the hybrid here from the start. Now with the PHEV being recalled in europe, due to a supplier electrical component causing a few to catch fire during charging, we won't even see the PHEV for at least 12 months.

Are they not looking at RAV4 Hybrid sales hard enough? Cause they damn well should be. It's not an anomaly, they are selling heaps of them, and have been for months on end.

This is what I was talking about with respect to good products that need a slight change,
Escape Hybrid would be huge hit but as usual, another big missed opportunity.
Handcuffed to Ford Europe's wrong choices for our market, probably theirs too.

Im not gonna run down Ford Aus here, they just need to press harder for vehicles that suit
our market.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Im not gonna run down Ford Aus here, they just need to press harder for vehicles that suit
our market.

Shouldnt that be their main objective already?

If the difference between having them and not is how hard theyre trying then they arent doing their job.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Shouldnt that be their main objective already?

If the difference between having them and not is how hard theyre trying then they arent doing their job.

It's one thing to lobby for certain products but if Ford Europe doesn't make the one they want,
then there's a lot more work to do justifying a hybrid model over the 2.0 diesel they have now.
Knowing Ford, they won't respond until they've given the current models a fair chance in the market,
so it could take them six or nine months of lobbying to make that happen.

Ford Europe has the PHEV version, it wouldn't be all that hard technically to roll out the smaller
battery hybrid, the issue is the logistics of battery supply and assembly of the smaller units.
I am surprised that Europe went with the diesel, given how much they're on the nose these days.
It's another sign of just how slow Ford is to a rapidly changing market, it's made worse by Europe
trying to protect its profitable diesel side sales against a tidal wave of change.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Shouldnt that be their main objective already?

If the difference between having them and not is how hard theyre trying then they arent doing their job.

I think a hurdle Ford Australia has to overcome is sourcing from Europe means we are lumped (generally) with UK buyer preferences as it's the only RHD Euro country while we have a closer alignment to US buyers preferences and landscape of distance and travelling...and only Mustang and Endura (not for long) are the only rhd built Ford vehicles from North America.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They should have got the hybrid here from the start. Now with the PHEV being recalled in europe, due to a supplier electrical component causing a few to catch fire during charging, we won't even see the PHEV for at least 12 months.

Are they not looking at RAV4 Hybrid sales hard enough? Cause they damn well should be. It's not an anomaly, they are selling heaps of them, and have been for months on end.

As a potential buyer, the Toyota hybrid is proven, works, 20 years of development, no fire issues that I know of, crazy taxi mileage numbers too (just like the old Falcon... happy sigh), it is not an expensive extra (though their starting prices are!). Further, same hybrid in all their passenger/SUVs so it's a no-brainer choice. SUVs inbound with hybrid options will include Yaris Cross, Corolla Cross, Kluger, then there's CH-R and RAV4. That's gotta be close to a checkmate for Toyota in current market.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

As a potential buyer, the Toyota hybrid is proven, works, 20 years of development, no fire issues that I know of, crazy taxi mileage numbers too (just like the old Falcon... happy sigh), it is not an expensive extra (though their starting prices are!). Further, same hybrid in all their passenger/SUVs so it's a no-brainer choice. SUVs inbound with hybrid options will include Yaris Cross, Corolla Cross, Kluger, then there's CH-R and RAV4. That's gotta be close to a checkmate for Toyota in current market.

The hybrid being such a cheap option (something like 2k) means it was always going to be such an attractive selection. No other manufacturer has come close to getting a hybrid option so cheap.

[Sprintey]

What are we looking at with other brand's hybrid extra pricing?

PHEV about 8 or 9K extra?

[Rob 351]

4x4 sales....

Ranger.. 3808
Hilux.... 3406
DMax... 1330

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Rob 351

4x4 sales....

Ranger.. 3808
Hilux.... 3406
DMax... 1330

As has been Mentioned many time in the Past. if Ford Tried (a bit) harder with the 4x2 Ranger. They'd knock Hilux off...

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by hayseed

4x2 Ranger.

single cab chassis, petrol, with auto option, just like the hilux workmate.

[Hawkeye84]

YTD Sales and Market Share

1. Toyota - 158,127 (21.8%)
2. Mazda - 68,031 (9.4%)
3. Hyundai - 51,170 (7.0%)
4. Ford - 46,682 (6.4%)
5. Mitsubishi - 46,467 (6.4%)
6. Kia - 46,000 (6.3%)
7. VW - 32,695 (4.5%)
8. Nissan - 30,106 (4.1%)
9. Subaru - 24,896 (3.4%)
10. Honda - 23,910 (3.3%)

[ivorya]

Interesting when reading the issues with the Battery that the Escape PHEV is utilising.
It's from the same company that BMW are using and they found issues months before, issued urgent recalls and fixes.
Just took Ford to long, unfortunately.

Just imagine hoe many Hybrid PUMA Ford may have sold, if it were offered here?
Just having the option is worth something, surely. I'm sure people would now go and buy the Yoda product.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by ivorya

Interesting when reading the issues with the Battery that the Escape PHEV is utilising.
It's from the same company that BMW are using and they found issues months before, issued urgent recalls and fixes.
Just took Ford to long, unfortunately.

Just imagine hoe many Hybrid PUMA Ford may have sold, if it were offered here?
Just having the option is worth something, surely. I'm sure people would now go and buy the Yoda product.

Were the BMW products on sale earlier?

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Were the BMW products on sale earlier?

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/3...v-battery-pack

So, it was a month earlier that BMW had found similar issues.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by ivorya

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/3...v-battery-pack

So, it was a month earlier that BMW had found similar issues.

Thanks for the link, according to the story BMW issued a recall earlier in October while Ford issued a recall earlier in the year so in fact Ford acted earlier and the recall involves a complete replacement of the battery pack.

[DFB FGXR6]

Sales of China-made cars in Australia more than doubled last month.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...led-last-month



With various car brands including Mazda, Toyota and Hyundai increasing the price of entry to their brands, Chinese made cars have surged.

[bathurst77]

Only 2 "cars" in top 10
Corolla and suprisingly 2nd most popular car is Cerato.
the former champions, i30, maz3/6, camry etc have slid away

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Only 2 "cars" in top 10
Corolla and suprisingly 2nd most popular car is Cerato.
the former champions, i30, maz3/6, camry etc have slid away

And if it wasn't for hire car fleets I think even that would change.

[Polyal]

Well its seems the Endura is gone, just develop the Explorer for a wider market you nuffties!

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...e-axed-127174/

or...do something more with the Everest!

[DFB FGXR6]

What's happening with Chinese made vehicles is no different to when Korean and Japanese cars boomed in the respective era's.

They are offering a 'good enough' product for a cheaper price than the established competition. The average consumer has no clue to where a car is made, generally all they see is the price.

It's somehow within the Australian psyche to pay the least amount of money for any given product, and we are ALL guilty of this to a certain extent.

The 'Ken and Joy's' of Australia see a nice looking car with lots of features at a price too good to refuse. How many people bought a Hyundai and Kia under similar circumstances?

Personally, I think there are more serious political issues involved with what the Chinese brands are now attempting compared to the Korean companies. I would sooner by a Japanese brand with higher engineering standards and ethics, even if said brand doesn't actually make their vehicles in Japan.