Now Qantas 3000 jobs to go

[buggerlugs]

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busin...-1226833981885

[LG17]

Qantas is always shedding jobs - swings and roundabouts.

[buggerlugs]

Qantas saying it is only rumours. Unfortunately like Ford, Holden and Toyota , where there is smoke sometimes there is fire........There has been quite a few recent reports on the state of the Australian Aviation industry, and they have not been glowing reports..........

[zilo]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busin...-1226833981885

News limited is a joke mate....wouldn't **** on them if they were on fire

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by zilo

News limited is a joke mate....wouldn't **** on them if they were on fire

They got this one right thou, didn't they ?

[DJR-351]

Also.....Qantas has confirmed it has reached agreement to sell its long-term lease on its terminal at Brisbane Airport for $112 million. The lease was due to expire in 2018.....

http://www.theage.com.au/business/av...227-33jab.html

......Qantas remains in discussions to sell its lease on domestic terminals at Sydney and Melbourne airports in a move which could raise as much as $650 million......

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-chase...port-terminals

Sounds like a fire sale......

[cheap]

Regardless of what happens even an overnight freak of nature enabling Qantas to become the only airline in the entire world, I suspect Joyce will be shown the door.

[zoesgift]

the only people to blame is MANAGEMENT. its a stock exchange listed company that answers to share holders. you don't just realise a trading loss of 252million AND give management and 82% increase in the last 2 yrs ffs! when you have a multi million dollar turnover business or any business for that matter, cash flow is of massive importance. the supposed management would have profit and loss statements for every month....this didn't just appear. now they wish to shed jobs in the areas that are profitable

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by cheap

Regardless of what happens even an overnight freak of nature enabling Qantas to become the only airline in the entire world, I suspect Joyce will be shown the door.

But at what cost? unless their going to jail the majority of CEO's that get shown the door usually pass through it with a huge smile on their face......

[jpblue1000]

Perhaps in a pure brilliant piece of capatalist manuvering the qantas leadership has placed quantas where it intended. Nothing they have done suggests they have the notional 'nations carrier' best interests at heart. No notions of tradition, history or meaning to australia. I believe they are trying to kill it or wound it for a higher purpose...profit.
The qantas sales act of 1992 prevents wholesale ownership of qantas from outside australia and places severe restricions on it as a business, but if that causes hardship on the company, ie years of significant losses the law could be challengedand may be changed and sale of the domestic branch could occur.
at the same time the company creates another branch, Jetstar and tiger, transfers cost of these airlines onto qantas to make the spreadsheet look worse or better depending on who you are and where your looking and from what vantage point.
Utilise a different fleet of aircraft so you can pay less than the qantas staff and start to transfer code share across from qantas to the at least jetstar cheaper to operate airline building a stronger brand. Build jetstar up at the expense of qantas, let the latter die, have the laws changed sell qantas assets and concentrate on jetstar with lower costs, less restriction and greater access to overseas funding than qantas would ever have.
A market ploy to kill of the handicapped big brother (qantas) and divert the business to beter profit.

?????

JP

[ebxr8240]

Employ Asian workers?? May as well fly Asian...
The worker can penny pinch too !!

[mik]

There was a current affair program 2 or three weeks ago about the Qantas woes, it looked very much (the high ups)they made very poor business decisions buying a shed load of planes they didn't need trying to compete with mob x.

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by mik

There was a current affair program 2 or three weeks ago about the Qantas woes, it looked very much (the high ups)they made very poor business decisions buying a shed load of planes they didn't need trying to compete with mob x.

But we're in a new decade now where the opecs and woolworths of the world have it tough unless they monopolize their industries along with new ones. Even shell can't even afford to do business here, it obviously needed to monopolize another industry in order to survive, like skate shoes or something. See Qantas won't survive the economy unless it's gets it's moon-based aviation battle station built within 5yrs and starts rebadging cessna's to compete with mob x as you say. It needs to monopolize those 2 new industries to survive according to the current state of things. That's the golden rule 2 new industries to survive like self branded food and fuel for example.

But ultimately this is all because 85 wastes of life have more money than half the worlds population... and sit it in trust/limbo instead of the economy meaning our economy is running on half it's blood supply. If all those rich ***** spents all that money imagine how much richer EVERYONE would be. Imagine how it would work, there'd be an incomprehensible demand for productivity and labour you could practically start another western country out of it lol.

Problem is these people are supposed to stimulate the economy but they just hoard it in trusts. Which is why they need to go. The money needs to keep circling otherwise it all rots.

[cheap]

So who exactly are these 85 people that seem to be the nexus of all evil, name them.

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by cheap

So who exactly are these 85 people that seem to be the nexus of all evil, name them.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashi...llion-poorest/

[Madaya]

I think I'll pack my bags and move to the next planet (only kidding).

'All I want is a room somewhere, far away from the cold night air'...

And that is all I wish for my kids. Enough to be able to turn on a tap and have good water come out - just the basics we all know to be able to enjoy life - be able to buy a Falcon (err, make that a Ford) and not a Ferrari.

If you want a Ferrari, work hard and buy one. Using money to buy and sell money sounds smart, makes people rich, but at the end of the day, buys poverty for many.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by cheap

So who exactly are these 85 people that seem to be the nexus of all evil, name them.

I'm surprised you don't know . considering thats where the money is . wouldnt people who know so much about the economic woes , and how the unions are responsible for controlling all of our money downfalls atleast know who has it all . ? 2 of the 85 woiuld have to be Bill shorten and Julia Gillard , oh and Andrew Thomson right ?

[MAD]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

But we're in a new decade now where the opecs and woolworths of the world have it tough unless they monopolize their industries along with new ones. Even shell can't even afford to do business here, it obviously needed to monopolize another industry in order to survive, like skate shoes or something. See Qantas won't survive the economy unless it's gets it's moon-based aviation battle station built within 5yrs and starts rebadging cessna's to compete with mob x as you say. It needs to monopolize those 2 new industries to survive according to the current state of things. That's the golden rule 2 new industries to survive like self branded food and fuel for example.

But ultimately this is all because 85 wastes of life have more money than half the worlds population... and sit it in trust/limbo instead of the economy meaning our economy is running on half it's blood supply. If all those rich ***** spents all that money imagine how much richer EVERYONE would be. Imagine how it would work, there'd be an incomprehensible demand for productivity and labour you could practically start another western country out of it lol.

Problem is these people are supposed to stimulate the economy but they just hoard it in trusts. Which is why they need to go. The money needs to keep circling otherwise it all rots.

That's a great sum-up of the situation.

It's not like Lindsay Fox, Gerry Harvey, Gina Rinehart, ect. need to expand their wallets any further. The only reason for them to cut costs now is to please the shareholders. Every saving they make is money in their pocket, and someone out of a job.

You can't use it when you're dead.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

But ultimately this is all because 85 wastes of life have more money than half the worlds population... and sit it in trust/limbo instead of the economy meaning our economy is running on half it's blood supply. If all those rich ***** spents all that money imagine how much richer EVERYONE would be. Imagine how it would work, there'd be an incomprehensible demand for productivity and labour you could practically start another western country out of it lol.

Problem is these people are supposed to stimulate the economy but they just hoard it in trusts. Which is why they need to go. The money needs to keep circling otherwise it all rots.

And these 85 probably run companies that are looking after your Super investments.

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

And these 85 probably run companies that are looking after your Super investments.

Yeah tell me about it, they get full benefits/control over my money to feed THEIR growth/self interests and if I want to do the exact same thing myself because it's MY money, I'm not legally allowed too until I'm 55yrs old or something. Labour made super a little bit better for the payg earner allowing some self management but it still doesn't compare to a family trust/being able to fully self manage your own money.

So if the opportunity arises and someone has a property with a market value of 500k and they're willing to sell it to me for $350k I have to give securing my future a miss because I'm not legally allowed to access my own money to afford such a bargain until I'm 55. I have to give that house a miss because Gina Reinhart is using the funds for a desert expeditions instead. Which if any reward from arises she gets the lionshare as usual, not me.

The banks would go bankrupt if people could manage their own supers, no plethora of wealth for them to play games with, and no one would have mortgages the debts would be greatly reduced. I love how the concept of super is to secure your future when it's regulations ultimately end you up in 200k-300k extra debt in interest over 25yrs (depending on your mortgage and interest from super) than if you had the money instead included into your income and paid it off during that 25yrs instead of afterwards when you're in your 50's.

[csv8]

Allan Joyce must go..incompetent manager...

[NAK302]

Originally Posted by csv8

Allan Joyce must go..incompetent manager...

this
he'll clean out first then go quietly when there's less light on him, grub.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by csv8

Allan Joyce must go..incompetent manager...

He must go NOW!! Without any golden handshake or whatever, he doesn't deserve anything. The groundings in 2011 by him was pure and plain vandalism. Now he cuts 5000 jobs and wants money from the government! Ludicrous.

Have a read of this article. I don't normally agree with unionists, but this is an exception.

And I certainly hope the government doesn't give the airline a red cent. When they helped Qantas by dictating who should buy Ansett back in the 1990's, led to the demise of that airline. I can see why Virgin is worried.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

He must go NOW!! Without any golden handshake or whatever, he doesn't deserve anything. The groundings in 2011 by him was pure and plain vandalism. Now he cuts 5000 jobs and wants money from the government! Ludicrous.

Have a read of this article. I don't normally agree with unionists, but this is an exception.

And I certainly hope the government doesn't give the airline a red cent. When they helped Qantas by dictating who should buy Ansett back in the 1990's, led to the demise of that airline. I can see why Virgin is worried.

Mr Joyce is apparently going to get a big bonus for all his good work at Qantas

[Madaya]

Damn, I've always wanted to fly PanAm. They where there in 2001 a Space Odyssey. Just like TAA and Ansett, see ya later Qantas.
Damn (number 2), surely this is were the buck stops. We have an internationally acclaimed airline, it represents what is the best about Australia. Our pilots are the best, our planes are the best, serviced by the best engineers using the best parts. I wouldn't mind sending a few of dollars of my tax towards a truly National Airline, it's my little thumbs up to the world.
Is it really that hard. Are we, as tax payers, not allowed to own anything? Do we have to sell off all our assets to overseas (no words to describe these inhuman monsters) to be seen as 'democrats'?
I don't care your Religion, your Race, just your concerns for your children's future. Australia for Australians.
or...
Australia for the benefits of the Multinationals.
Start with Qantas and other things might fall into line.
That said, 'see ya Qantas', she's gone.

[gtfpv]

i'm just glad we now have a new govt thats doing a great job looking after all of us . i think Australia made the right choice . the proof is everywhere now .

[Smoke Pursuit]

That's bullshit gtfpv.. Just unlucky timing for the Libs... Don't forget who and where the unions come from! The same unions that make labour too expensive and uncompetitive! As for a good news subject Bunnings will be employing an extra 6000 people in qld.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

That's bullshit gtfpv.. Just unlucky timing for the Libs... Don't forget who and where the unions come from! The same unions that make labour too expensive and uncompetitive! As for a good news subject Bunnings will be employing an extra 6000 people in qld.

Yeah mate because we can really compete with the lady boy in Thailand getting paid 15 cents a decade working 18 hour shifts 8 days a week.

Who was it who signed the FTA with Thailand?

[Adamz Ghia]

My cat was run over recently. Bloody unions...

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

That's bullshit gtfpv.. Just unlucky timing for the Libs... Don't forget who and where the unions come from! The same unions that make labour too expensive and uncompetitive! As for a good news subject Bunnings will be employing an extra 6000 people in qld.

that's great dash . just have to get my kids to change their aviation ambitions to forklift driver /stacker at bunnings .
oh and i was talking about the govt . not unions they dont run the country . and if they were , i'd consider voting for them . what have we got left to lose right !!