Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated.

Go Back   Australian Ford Forums > General Topics > The Pub

The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-12-2015, 02:17 AM   #1
Express
Bathed In A Yellow Glow
 
Express's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: NSW Central Coast
Posts: 2,530
Default Inside Ford's top-secret lair

Quote:
Inside Ford's top-secret lair



We take a sneak peek behing the scenes at Ford's You Yangs Proving Ground


Andrew MacLean
10 December, 2015


We take a behind the scenes looks at Ford's You Yangs proving ground to celebrate its 50th anniversary. Photos: Supplied




























Shhhh…I'll let you in on a secret; Ford isn't finished in Australia.

The blue oval might have pulled the plug on its manufacturing operations, and will still cease building the Falcon and Territory at its Broadmeadows factory on October 7 next year, leaving behind a legacy that has stretched more than 95 years and, sadly, forcing hundreds of workers out of a job.

That decision, and the domino effect it had on both Holden and Toyota which will follow suit in 2017, has lead to a wide-held public perception that Ford is shutting-up shop completely.

But the American brand will continue to sell a range of fully-imported cars and as, it claims, become the biggest employer in the Australian automotive industry beyond 2017, maintaining a workforce of more than 1300 people as its design and engineering division soldiers on as a global centre of excellence for new vehicle development programs.

"In 2015 alone, Ford has spent around $300 million on R&D, bringing to $2 billion the amount of money spent on R and D over the past six years," Ford Australia President and CEO Graeme Whickman said.

Ford's Australian engineering centre, and the proving ground, played a pivotal role in the development of the latest Ranger ute and the recently arrived Everest SUV that it shares its underpinnings with, and was awarded Drive's 2015 Car of the Year. It also helped in creating a number of specific Ford models for the Chinese market, including the Figo small car and the Escort sedan.

"We're very proud of the fact that the Ford team in Australia has been recognised as the 'go to guys' for vehicle development," added Whickman.

A key tool for that brains trust to do their job well into the future is the You Yangs Proving Ground, which celebrates its 50th anniversary this year and was opened up to the media this week for a sneak peek at what goes on within its top-secret lair.

Located on 930ha of rural land, tucked inconspicuously behind the You Yangs mountain range that juts out of the flat plains 50km south-west of Melbourne, the facility is centred around a village of high-tech laboratories and littered with hundreds of kilometres of roads designed to simulate a huge variety of conditions.

Because of the secret nature of the work conducted there (with early prototype vehicles generally years away from seeing showroom duty), the entire compound is surrounded by high barb-wire fences with dark shade cloth to keep prying eyes – spy photographers and its competitors – from getting a glimpse at the future.

For us to even get through the front gate, we had to temporarily surrender our mobile phones and any camera gear to ensure that what we saw wasn't recorded in any way.

That's understandable once you're on the other side of its (lightly) fortified façade as the carparks are filled with psychedelically-camouflaged mules, cobbled-together prototypes and hard-worked validation vehicles. To the layman, it would probably first appear as though it was a clapped-out collection of junkers (as some of them are wearing odd wheels between the front and rear, different coloured panels and have bits hanging off them), but the reality is most of them are hand-built prototypes worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. And they're not just Falcons and Territorys either, with the majority of them either currently being built – or set to be built – overseas, showcasing how Ford Australia is genuinely plugged into the blue oval's global development scheme.

Our brief whistlestop tour only included an inside look at a few key elements of the proving ground's myriad of facilities, starting with its Emission Test Laboratory; an area of the automotive industry that has come under the spotlight recently as a result of the Volkswagen cheating scandal.

Ford's test centre houses three individual cells that measure emission outputs in controlled conditions with the ability to alter the climatic conditions from the extreme cold of -40 degrees to a maximum of 50 degrees, both in a static environment and on a rolling road.

Ford's Emission Test manager, Martin Thurkettle, says the company performs between 3000 and 5000 individual tests each year. While the company is presently investing in new technologies to test real-world outputs in-line with imminent regulation changes, he says the controlled conditions of the laboratory are still the most accurate way to measure and analyse the numbers.

Working in conjunction with the Emission Lab, the adjacent Advanced Centre for Automotive Research and Testing (ACART) wind tunnel allows the engineers to validate the durability of components and systems in a wind tunnel that can also simulate varying climatic conditions and loads at speeds up to 250km/h.

Unlike traditional wind tunnels used to test and influence aerodynamics (Ford does that at the Monash University in Melbourne), a car is driven by a robot that can literally change gears to stress the engine and gearbox to its limits for hours at a time to find any weaknesses.

There are also other buildings that house things such as a kinematic rig (which tests suspension components), a squeaks and rattles test bed that can replicate a wide variety of road conditions, a vehicle crash lab and a semi-anechoic chamber (essentially a sound-proof shed where engineers can identify and tune noises emanating from individual components).

And then there's the huge variety of real-life roads, from the 4.8km Constant Speed Track (where drivers can achieve a 'hands-off' neutral speed at 164km/h in the banking), the 3.6km Basic Durability Road, a 5km Unimproved Road with gravel sections, potholes and wash boards, a 610mm deep water bath, two skid pads and a 19-corner Ride and Handling Track with two different configurations.

We got to sample the latter in its full 2.5km layout, which is like a mini racetrack with a variety of bends – most of them quite quick and flowing with only two hard braking areas; one at the end of the long back straight and the other into a series of tight esses at the southern end.

Wherever you look around at a proving ground like You Yangs it is like Disneyland for car enthusiasts. The only problem is admission into the automotive theme park is severely restricted.

In the end, You Yangs is one of only a handful of proving grounds in the Ford world with the extensive capability to fully develop new vehicles. And that's why it will outlive the blue oval's manufacturing operations. Maybe even for another 50 years.

The Birth of You Yangs

One of the most significant moments in Ford Australia's history happened at the You Yangs proving ground.

In 1965, the blue oval was bleeding as sales of the first locally-built Falcon were on the slide due to persistent durability issues. To counter that, Ford's enigmatic sales and marketing manager Bill Bourke launched the new XP model Falcon with a torturous nine-day endurance test around the proving grounds, dubbed the Falcon-Mobil 70,000 mile Durability Run.

A team of five cars had to complete the distance at an average of 70mp/h (112km/h), even though no-one had yet worked out what a realistic average speed of the test track was at the time. The end result was that it literally pushed the cars to the limit - and four of them actually rolled over - but they achieved the feat and the resultant media coverage changed the perception of the Falcon, and saved the blue oval's reputation.

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-featur...09-glju15.html
Express is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 11-12-2015, 07:59 PM   #2
4vxc
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,135
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

I've done a tour there and it was impressive but it made me wonder why they cant design a durable diff bush with all those resorces
4vxc is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 12-12-2015, 12:47 AM   #3
malazn mafia
Boss 335
 
malazn mafia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,330
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4vxc View Post
I've done a tour there and it was impressive but it made me wonder why they cant design a durable diff bush with all those resorces
Or ball joints for that matter
malazn mafia is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
3 users like this post:
Old 12-12-2015, 01:05 AM   #4
FERG_51
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,429
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4vxc View Post
I've done a tour there and it was impressive but it made me wonder why they cant design a durable diff bush with all those resorces
They can but then the bean counters come along and they have to compromise. I've also done a tour there, Australian ingenuity at its best. Happy 50th boys.
FERG_51 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 12-12-2015, 02:11 AM   #5
arronm
BA/F6 BF/F6 SSV/R TTG
 
arronm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Perth
Posts: 7,251
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4vxc View Post
I've done a tour there and it was impressive but it made me wonder why they cant design a durable diff bush with all those resorces
Yeh all they have to do is walk into any car park and stick their head under the rear end of a commodore. Gee it's no rocket science. 2002 - 2016 with **** diff bushes. What a joke
__________________
BA BF FPV starter button repairs. PM me.


Nizpro equipped and Tuned by the BEST in the west
Xtreme Ford Tuning

479RwKw Fuel limited, more pumps and power too come.

F6#0507 & #0639 Pro racer and Tech expert

NIZPRO modifying falcons like Premcar can only dream of , see VIDEO below.
https://youtu.be/oa4IfguGQ-A
arronm is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 12-12-2015, 05:18 PM   #6
Cobra
Bear with a sore head
 
Cobra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 3,703
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

Quote:
Originally Posted by arronm View Post
Yeh all they have to do is walk into any car park and stick their head under the rear end of a commodore. Gee it's no rocket science. 2002 - 2016 with **** diff bushes. What a joke
The whole Control Blade IRS is a joke. It was doomed the moment it was released with missing driveshaft circlips and has been plagued with problems ever since. It was a terrible, compromised design for RWD applications.
Cobra is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 16-12-2015, 05:49 PM   #7
Silver Ghia
Moderator
Donating Member3
 
Silver Ghia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Foothills of the Macedon Ranges
Posts: 18,583
Technical Contributor: For members who share their technical expertise. - Issue reason: As Silver Ghia his contributions to the AU and BA technical areas have been of high quality and valuable to the member base. 
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobra View Post
The whole Control Blade IRS is a joke. It was doomed the moment it was released with missing driveshaft circlips and has been plagued with problems ever since. It was a terrible, compromised design for RWD applications.
Ah yes, but the control blade IRS was 20kg lighter than AU IRS. An engineering breakthrough. It was a revelation when the BA was first released.

Pity about all the other things with it.
Silver Ghia is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 11-12-2015, 08:03 PM   #8
99AUXR
Brad
 
99AUXR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 5,827
Tech Writer: Recognition for the technical writers of AFF - Issue reason: Installing starter motor advice on ba / bf 6cyc Falcon. 
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

lol well said.
__________________
Silhouette BF MKII F6
Plazmaman Intercooler Kit, ID1000, 34mm Internal Wastegate and Turbosmart Actuator, Tein Coilovers, Focal Audio, XXR 521 18x8.5 18x10
99AUXR is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 11-12-2015, 08:06 PM   #9
Olbucko
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Olbucko's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Central Tablelands. NSW
Posts: 894
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

Here is video of the 70,000 mile durability run

https://youtu.be/juTj5gS3xUI

https://youtu.be/BiIVVHv59Xc
__________________
Don't try and teach a pig to sing, it just wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Olbucko is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
4 users like this post:
Old 12-12-2015, 04:50 PM   #10
mike_nofx
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
mike_nofx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,125
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

I like the sticky tape ute
mike_nofx is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 15-12-2015, 10:03 PM   #11
kegr
Starter Motor
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 10
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

the AU independant rear end was a lot better design
that was engineers winning over accountants
kegr is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
4 users like this post:
Old 16-12-2015, 12:46 AM   #12
Cobra
Bear with a sore head
 
Cobra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 3,703
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

Quote:
Originally Posted by kegr View Post
the AU independant rear end was a lot better design
that was engineers winning over accountants
It was an amazing IRS. I still have an AU1 Fairmont with 418K on the clock and the IRS hasn't missed a beat. Not even the shock tops have required replacing.
Cobra is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 17-12-2015, 02:16 AM   #13
malazn mafia
Boss 335
 
malazn mafia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,330
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobra View Post
It was an amazing IRS. I still have an AU1 Fairmont with 418K on the clock and the IRS hasn't missed a beat. Not even the shock tops have required replacing.
Would an AU IRS fit under a BA? There's half the car's problems solved..
malazn mafia is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 15-12-2015, 10:24 PM   #14
XR Martin
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
XR Martin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Canberra Region
Posts: 9,005
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

LOL at people whinging at the diff bushes.
Look at the E46 BMW rear end if you really want to see poor engineering, and thats with 10x the resources Ford Oz has/had.
__________________
2016 FGX XR8 Sprint, 6speed manual, Kinetic Blue #170

2004 BA wagon RTV project.

1998 EL XR8, Auto, Hot Chilli Red

1993 ED XR6, 5speed, Polynesian Green. 1 of 329. Retired

1968 XT Falcon 500 wagon, 3 on the tree, 3.6L. Patina project.
XR Martin is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 15-12-2015, 11:46 PM   #15
FERG_51
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,429
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

Poor buggers had their hands tied behind their backs as cost over durability wins every time with the bean counters, hence why we are loosing local manufacturing.
FERG_51 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 15-12-2015, 11:49 PM   #16
arronm
BA/F6 BF/F6 SSV/R TTG
 
arronm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Perth
Posts: 7,251
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

Look at least latest mustang has 2 diff bushes. Ford AUS designers need to discover google.....

__________________
BA BF FPV starter button repairs. PM me.


Nizpro equipped and Tuned by the BEST in the west
Xtreme Ford Tuning

479RwKw Fuel limited, more pumps and power too come.

F6#0507 & #0639 Pro racer and Tech expert

NIZPRO modifying falcons like Premcar can only dream of , see VIDEO below.
https://youtu.be/oa4IfguGQ-A
arronm is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 15-12-2015, 11:51 PM   #17
HI PSI
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,014
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

If they made them perfect, nobody would buy spare parts
HI PSI is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-12-2015, 12:25 AM   #18
arronm
BA/F6 BF/F6 SSV/R TTG
 
arronm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Perth
Posts: 7,251
Default Re: Inside Ford's top-secret lair

Just realised IRS is new to the mustang to replace solid axle. Gee Ford USA didnt need to redesign the whole thing, they could have just borrowed the AUS FGX IRS. Wonder why they didnt.....
__________________
BA BF FPV starter button repairs. PM me.


Nizpro equipped and Tuned by the BEST in the west
Xtreme Ford Tuning

479RwKw Fuel limited, more pumps and power too come.

F6#0507 & #0639 Pro racer and Tech expert

NIZPRO modifying falcons like Premcar can only dream of , see VIDEO below.
https://youtu.be/oa4IfguGQ-A
arronm is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Reply


Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 05:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Other than what is legally copyrighted by the respective owners, this site is copyright www.fordforums.com.au
Positive SSL