09/10 Summer of Cricket

prydey · 27-11-2009, 04:08 PM

west indies are first up for 3 tests, 5 ODI's and a couple of T20's. i'm never sure with this current west indies squad whether they come for a good time and just play some cricket while they are here or if they do actually give 100% to their cricket. i'm a big fan of gayle though.

this is the trend setter last time he was here

1st test aussies seem well on top. its tea on day 2 - aus 8/480dec. WI 41/0 after 6 overs.

given their form against qld in the tour game, i'm not sure australia will need to bat again but i'm hoping we do and that WI put up some sort of a contest.

now for some debate over the selections.
i'm still not convinced watson is the right man to have at the top of the order. p.hughes is still young so i'm not fussed that he's not there but what happened to p.jaques? the guy should be out there for mine. the rest of the line up is pretty straight forward although s.clark might have replaced hilfy in my line up. i'm also a big fan of binga and as soon as he's fit, i'd like to see him back in there.

troy cooley needs to work on johnsons action. seam position is critical for a fast bowler and i'm yet to see him throw one down with anything less than scrambled seam. he tends to fall over in his action a lot as well. his pace is good but his release could be a lot higher if he stood up more and he would be a lot more consistant if he got his wrist/release sorted. not that i'm an expert. just an armchair, keyboard weilding critic

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g220ba · 27-11-2009, 04:37 PM

p.jaques took along time to get over a persistent back injury. i agree watson should not be opening as there better options but if they move him down the order someone has to make way for another opener.

Most will say mike hussey should make way but he appears to be coming good and making runs but if he fails this summer i feel it'll be all over for him.

g220ba · 27-11-2009, 05:04 PM

At 4/63 and australia on fire at the moment this could be very quick test.

prydey · 27-11-2009, 05:04 PM

aussies have had some sort of obsession with allrounders ever since freddie had a stellar series in 05. the selectors have been pro watson for some time, standing by him through a lot of injury. at the moment we have watson, north and to an extent johnson who fit the allrounder mould. if they play hauritz or a full time spinner, i think north can make way for watson although its tough as north is showing he's a great batsman.

unfortunately for hussey i feel you are correct 84ltd. even though his form of late, particularly in the short form of the game has improved a lot, the media will be on him as soon as he has a failure.

bring back australia A i say. there's easily enough talent out there and good enough to beat most international sides too.

back to the game at hand, WI are struggling - 4/63 and both referrals wasted on plum lbw's.

g220ba · 27-11-2009, 05:57 PM

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back to the game at hand, WI are struggling - 4/63 and both referrals wasted on plum lbw's.

didn't really think about those referals did they. Although chanderpaul did have good reason to think he edged as he did hit his rear pad but nonetheless wasted referals.

prydey · 28-11-2009, 05:17 PM

this series is starting as expected. 1st test will likely be over before stumps on day 3.

i must say also i'm not a fan of the use of hawkeye in the referral system. i don't mind hot spot and to an extent 'snicko' (although that can pick up any noise and make it appear like an edge - a creak in the bat for example) but hawkeye is made up by a lot of assumptions regarding the ball's flight path. if they want to use it, the benefit has to go to the batsman surely. latest referral say hawkeye just nicking the outside edge of leg stump. how can that be given out?? i thought they said in the interview at lunch on day 1 that they were using the centre of the ball, not the edges, to determine if it was going to hit. controversy - here we come. not much will get said this series unfortunatel because its only west indies.

gtxb67 · 28-11-2009, 05:46 PM

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i must say also i'm not a fan of the use of hawkeye . . . because its only west indies.

in the incident i believe you are referrering to, the umpire at the bowling crease made the decision. the third umpire was referred but because it was so close, it came back to the officiating umpire. he believed it was out and gave it that way - however, if the third umpire thinks it is too close to call and stays neutral, i guess it tells the officiating umpire that hawkeye says it probably would have hit the stumps and makes his decision more likely to go with the bowling team

i do feel that if it is too close to call, then no challenges should be wasted. from what i saw, it happened to the west indies on the first day. hawkeye had it just hitting the stumps and when referred back to the officiating umpire, the australian was given not out. i thought the west indies lost that challenge which seems a bit unfair. it should have to be in or out for a challenge to be used

i personally do like the idea of hawkeye, because the australians have received a lot of good decisions (and some very bad ones that lost us test series) and at least with a challenge system, it should shut the people up who constantly complain that we have been too lucky. we have been lucky at times, but the way we play not only creates more opportunities but also gives a much better chance of getting the close ones. at least hawkeye can take away the blatantly wrong decisions now. we may even see less ridiculous appealing form other sides, because if given out when not - the batsman can challenge and stay in - so hopefully it eliminates that need

Rodp · 30-11-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

this series is starting as expected. 1st test will likely be over before stumps on day 3.

i must say also i'm not a fan of the use of hawkeye in the referral system. i don't mind hot spot and to an extent 'snicko' (although that can pick up any noise and make it appear like an edge - a creak in the bat for example) but hawkeye is made up by a lot of assumptions regarding the ball's flight path. if they want to use it, the benefit has to go to the batsman surely. latest referral say hawkeye just nicking the outside edge of leg stump. how can that be given out?? i thought they said in the interview at lunch on day 1 that they were using the centre of the ball, not the edges, to determine if it was going to hit. controversy - here we come. not much will get said this series unfortunatel because its only west indies.

I agree. Hawkeye to me is a fancy device to enhance the viewing pleasure and provide debate in the box by the commentators, it's not a device that should be used for adjudication. It has an error margin that is unknown each delivery. Used with a spin bowler I've seen laughable results. I'll accept its data on where the ball pitched as that's almost always before the predictive path but I still trust an umpire's judgement on hitting the stumps over Hawkeye.

If you're to believe Langer in Hobart against Pakistan, the edge that snicko picked up was a bat handle creak and not a tickle on the ball. Unless you're using a high speed camera, there's also the margin of error between frames and the spike in sound. Though I think it's a better tool than Hawkeye.

The only one that I trust explicitly would be hotspot but I have seen a single occasion where the angle of the bat masked the hotspot from the camera. It doesn't lie though. If you touch the ball it will leave a heat signature. It's just a matter of getting the right angle to see it.

Cobra · 04-12-2009, 10:36 PM

Are they showing it live in Adelaide? I wouldn't mind watching it tomorrow for a bit.

g220ba · 05-12-2009, 12:27 AM

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Are they showing it live in Adelaide? I wouldn't mind watching it tomorrow for a bit.

i think they start showing it live about 10mins before the tea session.

prydey · 05-12-2009, 07:29 AM

yeah, 3pm till stumps.

prydey · 05-12-2009, 03:12 PM

451 fitst innings total for WI. pretty good effort i thought. still lots of room for improvement. at least it garauntees this test will go longer than 3 days! i'm not anti aussie, just like a contest, so i'd love to see the aussies bundled out for a similar total.

g220ba · 05-12-2009, 06:51 PM

This series really needed the Windies to show a bit of metal with bat and make that 451. The only problem they have now is its still a great batting pitch and australia's made a fantastic start.

I think if they can go to perth having drawn this game there may be a bit more interest in it. Still at this point it's anyones game.

Bearman · 09-12-2009, 08:11 AM

A competitive showing from the Windies is just what the doctor ordered. It was an excellent contest and I hope it represents the Windies turning the corner.

Roll on 3rd test!!

World cricket needs a strong West Indies team.

prydey · 09-12-2009, 08:16 AM

3 centurions so far and all WI. Barath, bravo and gayle.

thats something that has been lacking in the aussie side for a while now and thats regular 100's. used to be at least one centurion every match, sometimes wvery innings.

prydey · 20-12-2009, 03:23 PM

well the 3rd test has been rn and won by the aussies but not without a stiff fight from the WI again, and not without controversy either.

for me its highlighted something that happens time after time, and thats touring parties not allowing themselves enough preparation time in the country before the 1st test. most visiting sides arrive only days before they are due to play a test series. probably due to the volume of cricket being played but it really hurts them.

WI can be extremely proud of their efforts in the 2nd and 3rd tests. no one expected them to compete, let alone come within 5 wickets (in adelaide) and 35 runs (perth) of victory.

still no aussie centurians and 4 for WI.

the referral system is a joke. whatever happened to giving the benefit to the batsman?? why is hotspot considered not definitive technology and yet lbw's are being given based on hawkeye!!

last wicket of the test today. hotspot showed no evidence of a nick, slow mo's showed no evidence of a change in the flight of the ball or the revolutions on the ball and yet it was still given out. a commentator made an interesting point. what if billy bowden had given it not out and ponting appealed it? would it have been overturned and still given out or just left.
not good enough for me. still a bit of work to do.

i don't believe you can give a man out just because hawkeye says its going to hit the top of leg stump. i don't believe hawkey is that accurate.

oh well, on to pakistan now. hope they can put up enough fight to last 5 days in each match.

g220ba · 20-12-2009, 04:20 PM

Yeah it turned out to pretty good series. In reference to the centurians for australia, if we remeber the ashes series Australia won in terms of stats (most centuries, leading run makers and top wicket takers) and still lost the series.

The referral system is there mainly for the blatantly obvious incorrect decisions but the players haven't learned how to use it correctly yet. The australians didn't seem to use all that often that game. In terms of todays referal i think it came down to the fact there was no definitive evidence to prove it was not out. It happened in adelaide when hot spot showed no mark on the bat but it appeared to deviate on 1 replay so was given out.

The game just doesn't need every single umpiring decision to be reviewed. A better system would be to allow the umpires to call for a referral if they're unsure of a decision as in a catch close to the ground.

Doug Bollinger seems like a player that should be held on to for a while. Always give 100% and has that intensity to play hard. I think they should've given a couple of younger players like phillip hughes and steve smith a go in this series as they're the future of australian cricket.

Lets look forward to a hard fought series against pakistan and of course another australian victory.

gtxb67 · 20-12-2009, 05:56 PM

to me the referral system is working great. from what i can see the third umpire does not make any decision unless they know for sure. much like the officiating umpires for run out/stumpings. at present the officating umpire makes a decision based on their feel/instinct/sight/hearing etc. and then if there is a challenge, the third umpire has the right to over turn it, if it is a totally wrong decision. if the third umpire cannot tell for sure, then the officiating umpire's decision stands - either in or out
i think it is the best compromise for a tough job. if the officiating umpire make a certain mistake, it is fixed, otherwise his decision stands. there is no reason for him to be out there if his decision is not the one that matters

g220ba · 20-12-2009, 06:14 PM

What the referral system has proved this series is how good the umpiring has been. Very few of the umpires decisions have been overturned. Ian Gould has proven to be one of the best umpires in the game at the moment getting the most difficult decisions right when it mattered.

There was a bit of spite in that series with both Shane Watson and Sulieman Benn acting like a pair of kids. For Benn all he had to do was get back to his mark and continue bowling, unfortunetly he decided arguing was a better option for him and as so was penalised. Watson didn't really need to laugh in gayles face, It really was a poor sight for any cricket fan but bowlers celebrations are really becoming a joke lately.

The referral system will be a hot topic for while to come. Maybe it'll just take a bit getting used to for the players.

**buggerlugs** · 21-12-2009, 08:08 AM

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cr...-1225812252781

BENT_8 · 26-12-2009, 01:57 PM

Well guys, the Boxing day test is well under way and from all accounts im liking what im seeing.
Although the Pakistani's have dropped a couple, their bowling attack has been tight forcing the Aussies to create runs.
If they can keep this up with the pitch appearing to favour the batsmen i' can see frustration setting in the Aussie camp.

To be honest, with a young/inexperienced but spirited bowling attack and some good batting from Pakistan i can see two drawn tests on the horizon and i think that will be a win for Pakistan.

Your thoughts...

g220ba · 26-12-2009, 02:58 PM

to be honest i think it's too early to make a call on pakistan. they've dropped 2 relatively easy catches (for that level of cricket). Yes the bowlings been tight but can they sustain that for 1.5 to 2 days straight. The aussies also may have learnt their lesson about getting impatient and hopefully can keep their cool in tight periods.

Having watched a bit of the Pakistan vs New Zealand series, they're a bit unpredictable. You never quite know which teams gonna turn up, with time that should iron out and the young players will make a name for themselves.

The first 2-3 days of this series should show us how the series is gonna pan out.

My early prediction 3-0 to the aussies.

DoreSlamR · 26-12-2009, 03:40 PM

Holy crap Watson and Kattich!

WTF were they doing?!

g220ba · 26-12-2009, 03:43 PM

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Holy crap Watson and Kattich!

WTF were they doing?!

Short answer Katich was ball watching, not trusting/hearing his partners call.

g220ba · 26-12-2009, 04:21 PM

All this talk of Ponting getting tested with the short ball is a bit of a joke. Yes he had a few issues against Kemar Roach but the man's proved year after year to be one of the best players against the short ball (Pull/Hook shot). Pakistan may fall into a bit of trap if they're not carefull. Alternatively they may pepper him with short balls and get him out but i'd be betting on him having a field day if they go down that path.

DoreSlamR · 26-12-2009, 04:43 PM

Now Katich out in the 90's!

This thing of not getting a 100 is becoming annoying!

g220ba · 26-12-2009, 04:48 PM

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Now Katich out in the 90's!

This thing of not getting a 100 is becoming annoying!

Ponting will stand up this Test and get a hundred. If anyone can break this Streak of 90-100 scores Ponting can.

BENT_8 · 26-12-2009, 05:29 PM

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Ponting will stand up this Test and get a hundred. If anyone can break this Streak of 90-100 scores Ponting can.

Oops!
Ponting was trying too hard scoring at 8 an over after the slow Aussie start, was always gonna happen.
I doubt Pakistan can beat them, but like i said with a relatively inexperienced side a couple of draws will be as good as win...considering the competition.

g220ba · 26-12-2009, 05:47 PM

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Oops!
Ponting was trying too hard scoring at 8 an over after the slow Aussie start, was always gonna happen.
I doubt Pakistan can beat them, but like i said with a relatively inexperienced side a couple of draws will be as good as win...considering the competition.

I'll admit it was a big call on my part. It's highly unlikely i know but there's still a second innings which is why i said test not innings. With the score on 1/180 odd the number 3 has the job to press on with great start and score aggressively. Ponting has proven to be an aggressive, counterpunching batsman and thats what makes him one of the best in the world.

Sending Hauritz in as a nightwatchmen on a fantastic batting track is a bit odd to me, I hope he makes a 100. Apart from Pontings wicket Pakistan have been very lucky to have australia 3 down.

I do hope Pakistan put up a good fight but i don't really see any sort of result for them out of this test.

prydey · 26-12-2009, 07:17 PM

these days, having great batsmen and bowlers won't win you too many matches. you need to be 100% switched on in the field at all times. dropping catches at their level is inexcusable.

pakistan do have a couple of great batsmen but i reckon the aussies will win 3-0.

not scoring 100's is not hurting the team total too much but their will come a time when it will. the ability to capitalise on a good start is something all the great batsmen do.