Vfacts November 2018

[BENT_8]

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/vfact...-05/76777.html

Hilux 4671
Ranger 3469

Commodore 701

[anobserver]

According to news.com.au the Mustang outsold the Commodore.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...3ecbfa1c45616e

With GM dumping sedans, closing factories and selling Opel to Vauxhall and Peugeot, the Commodore may very well end up discontinued.

Note the preponderance of Utes: 1st, 2nd and 4th best sellers.

[jpd80]

4x2 Tradie Ute sale last month, I expect that’s where HiLux really hustles against Ranger.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

4x2 Tradie Ute sale last month, I expect that’s where HiLux really hustles against Ranger.

Quite likely, lucky Ford offered 5yrs of free servicing on the up spec Ranger or the gap could have much greater than 1200 units.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Quite likely, lucky Ford offered 5yrs of free servicing on the up spec Ranger or the gap could have much greater than 1200 units.

Ranger supply has become an issue again. Amazingly most people are opting for the 2.0 on XLT and Wildtrak. Ford has plans to change the split for 2019 to increase 2.0 production and reduce 3.2.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Ranger supply has become an issue again. Amazingly most people are opting for the 2.0 on XLT and Wildtrak. Ford has plans to change the split for 2019 to increase 2.0 production and reduce 3.2.

Source? Re “supply issues”.This is NOT on any news regarding sales of it.Go Auto,Car advice,Motoring.com.au etc...Ford “propaganda”?Hilux again has smashed in sales in both category’s(4x4 & 4x2) In fact it smashed its owned record from last year(4,000 odd units) to this year of 4,600 odd units.(& this year is not even finished!)Ranger:3600 odd units.It seems Ranger will never catch Hilux,it just keeps going from strength to strength.Cheers

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by hackney

Source? Re “supply issues”.This is NOT on any news regarding sales of it.Go Auto,Car advice,Motoring.com.au etc...Ford “propaganda”?Hilux again has smashed in sales in both category’s(4x4 & 4x2) In fact it smashed its owned record from last year(4,000 odd units) to this year of 4,600 odd units.(& this year is not even finished!)Ranger:3600 odd units.It seems Ranger will never catch Hilux,it just keeps going from strength to strength.Cheers

Ford national sales manager meeting...

Is that a good enough source for you?

Hilux only outsells Ranger due to 4x2. Current promo on 4x2 Hilux with a tray is $23,990. The cheapest Ranger is nearly 30k! And before you say Hilux 4x4 outsells Ranger, yes it does but not every month. The reason is national fleet customers tend to stick to 1 brand, so if they buy 4x2's they also buy 4x4 Hiluxs.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Amazingly most people are opting for the 2.0 on XLT and Wildtrak.

well fancy that! despite all the internet heroes opinions of milk and orange juice, Ford did get it right after all

[hackney]

Originally Posted by simon varley

well fancy that! despite all the internet heroes opinions of milk and orange juice, Ford did get it right after all

All they have to do is get the data for various variants.How simple is that? No brainer really.How could you get it wrong,especially if you know customers buying preferences?

[suttoo]

Originally Posted by simon varley

well fancy that! despite all the internet heroes opinions of milk and orange juice, Ford did get it right after all

Its bloody hard to find a bi-turbo wildtrak, we are yet to sell a 3.2 in XLT or Wildtrak

[McobraR]

Interesting. Holden must be selling a bit of every model they have to only be 394 sales below Ford, where as Ford seems like they're relying mainly on Ranger and Mustang.

[au2000]

Originally Posted by McobraR

Interesting. Holden must be selling a bit of every model they have to only be 394 sales below Ford, where as Ford seems like they're relying mainly on Ranger and Mustang.

IMO i'd have to agree.. as lack lusture the holden line up is currently ( and for me there is absolutely NOTHING in their line up that interests me), they are not all that far behind Ford who's only real good sellers are the ranger & mustang.
Just shows atm how important it is for ford not to drop the ball on these two models & always be a leader in developing them or they will risk a massive fall.

[Vesper Martini]

The top-selling passenger car in November was again the Toyota Corolla 2663, while Mazda’s popular CX-5 2000 was the best-selling SUV.

Ford failing in both these segments and only capitalizing on one
The top 10 vehicles is made up of twin cab utes, small cars & small/medium SUV's

Focus is due for an upgrade and Escape hasn't improved much since its name change from Kuga.

anybody know how many they sold of these?

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

The top-selling passenger car in November was again the Toyota Corolla 2663, while Mazda’s popular CX-5 2000 was the best-selling SUV.

Ford failing in both these segments and only capitalizing on one
The top 10 vehicles is made up of twin cab utes, small cars & small/medium SUV's

Focus is due for an upgrade and Escape hasn't improved much since its name change from Kuga.

anybody know how many they sold of these?

We had a look at the Escape when we were getting a SUV, the CX-5 was just a nicer car, only thing i liked about the Escape more was the Sync system.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

The top-selling passenger car in November was again the Toyota Corolla 2663, while Mazda’s popular CX-5 2000 was the best-selling SUV.

Ford failing in both these segments and only capitalizing on one
The top 10 vehicles is made up of twin cab utes, small cars & small/medium SUV's

Focus is due for an upgrade and Escape hasn't improved much since its name change from Kuga.

anybody know how many they sold of these?

New Focus goes on sale this month?

Escape needs to do better for Ford, but it is getting old and a new one is due in the US next year. Not sure when we will get it as ours come from Europe.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/vfact...-05/76777.html

Commodore 701

Must be the best result for the Opel Commodore since it was released.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Must be the best result for the Opel Commodore since it was released.

Yup,the month before was in the mid 600 units I think.

[jpd80]

Vehicle..................4x4..............4x2..... ....TOTAL
Hilux 2017.............3,174...........929..........4,10 3
Hilux 2018.............3,669.........1,002.........4,671

Ranger 2017..........3,153...........423..........3,576
Ranger 2018..........3,023...........446..........3,469

I think it's obvious that Hilux had better discounts on it's range than Ranger, especially the 4x4s
as discussed last month and that Ranger Raptor sales are basically being folded into Ford's 4x4 sales,
What we can't see from this is the richer product mix that Ranger is gaining apart from knowing that
roughly 400 of this year's sales are RRs +$10K dearer than Wildtraks - did they replace them or other XLT sales?
We probably won't ever know....either way, I bet Ford is pleased with the result.

[Windsor220]

Ranger is the least of Fords worries. They just need to get their SUV range selling better and also Focus. Small increases across the range will make a big difference.

[Joe5619]

1) I know this is a Ford website, but I don't know why so many people **** on the Commodore. 700 sales IMO is a great month. Did people actually think it was going to sell much more than this?
2) I think Ford is going to be in a lot of trouble for years to come, they have a very ugly line up at the moment. That kuga thing will NEVER sell well, it looks completely **** house... But I'm happy to be proven wrong!!

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

1) I know this is a Ford website, but I don't know why so many people **** on the Commodore. 700 sales IMO is a great month. Did people actually think it was going to sell much more than this?
2) I think Ford is going to be in a lot of trouble for years to come, they have a very ugly line up at the moment. That kuga thing will NEVER sell well, it looks completely **** house... But I'm happy to be proven wrong!!

1. There’s one bloke here that thinks it will.

2. There is no Kuga on sale in Australia any more.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

1) I know this is a Ford website, but I don't know why so many people **** on the Commodore. 700 sales IMO is a great month. Did people actually think it was going to sell much more than this?
2) I think Ford is going to be in a lot of trouble for years to come, they have a very ugly line up at the moment. That kuga thing will NEVER sell well, it looks completely **** house... But I'm happy to be proven wrong!!

Lol, you can never be proven wrong about the "kuga thing" seeing as its now called Escape.......but I'm sure you're just stirring the pot.

I think the bigger concern for Holden is it's dealer network, I know they cut some dealers across the country however the size of the network is still too large for the volume of sales.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

1) I know this is a Ford website, but I don't know why so many people **** on the Commodore. 700 sales IMO is a great month. Did people actually think it was going to sell much more than this?
2) I think Ford is going to be in a lot of trouble for years to come, they have a very ugly line up at the moment. That kuga thing will NEVER sell well, it looks completely **** house... But I'm happy to be proven wrong!!

I personally don't hate on the Commodore as a car but the company itself for its completely disillusion notion that they could pull the wool over the Australian public and sell the new model in similar volume to its predecessor.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

1) I know this is a Ford website, but I don't know why so many people **** on the Commodore. 700 sales IMO is a great month.

Are they genuine sales, or simply dealer smoke and mirrors? If the former, its a pretty good result given Falcon was selling a lot less towards the end.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Vehicle..................4x4..............4x2..... ....TOTAL
Hilux 2017.............3,174...........929..........4,10 3
Hilux 2018.............3,669.........1,002.........4,671

Ranger 2017..........3,153...........423..........3,576
Ranger 2018..........3,023...........446..........3,469

I think it's obvious that Hilux had better discounts on it's range than Ranger, especially the 4x4s
as discussed last month and that Ranger Raptor sales are basically being folded into Ford's 4x4 sales,
What we can't see from this is the richer product mix that Ranger is gaining apart from knowing that
roughly 400 of this year's sales are RRs +$10K dearer than Wildtraks - did they replace them or other XLT sales?
We probably won't ever know....either way, I bet Ford is pleased with the result.

Whats obvious about it?

Earlier on you said Hilux was powering ahead on discounted 4x2 tradies yet the figures show only 73 more than the same month last year.
Now you're saying its obvious that its discounted 4x4 thats leading the Hilux charge and whilst its true that the 4x4 version is breaking records, why is it that its only due to discounts and not that people just prefer the Hilux.

If the shoe was on the other foot it would be 'Ranger is just that good.'

Ford offered 5yrs of free servicing to the value of $2600 on a recently refreshed model yet sold 130 uits less than last year even with the highly anticipated Raptor appearing in driveways.

Somethings obvious, but it doesnt involve Hilux.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Whats obvious about it?

Earlier on you said Hilux was powering ahead on 4x2 tradies yet the figures show only 73 more than the same time last year.

Toyota does the 4x2 tradie ute specials this time of the year, that's why sales are similar
to last year and also why Ford can't and never will get near Toyota's 4x2 sales.

Now you're saying its obvious that its discounted 4x4 thats leading the Hilux charge and whilst its true that the 4x4 version is breaking records, why is it that its only due to discounts and not that people just prefer the Hilux.

I think it's both, people prefer Hilux because it better priced with more discount than Ranger.

If the shoe was on the other foot it would be 'Ranger is just that good.'

Ford offered 5yrs of free servicing to the value of $2600 on a recently refreshed model yet sold 130 uits less than last year even with the highly anticipated Raptor appearing in driveways.

Higher priced even with free five year servicing?
As i said, the discounts on 4x4 Hilux last month were greater than the much
higher priced 4x4 Rangers, Toyota wanted more and got it by discounting.

The amount of 4x4 Ford sold is reasonably close to 2017's number but the product mix
was definitely richer, so here's a question for you, which would a manufacturer prefer,
selling more discounted models or selling slightly less at a much higher average price?

Obviously Toyota will do great deals on Hilux to keep sales numbers well ahead of Ranger
where Ford clearly has incentives built into it pricing and then some.

I'm done.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The amount of 4x4 Ford sold is reasonably close to 2017's number but the product mix
was definitely richer, so here's a question for you, which would a manufacturer prefer,
selling more discounted models or selling slightly less at a much higher average price?

For 6 months weve been told that Ranger sales were down because the new model was coming, the new model arrived, Ford offered 5yrs of free servicing and people decided to buy a Hilux instead because they got a better deal..ok

When you're selling 4 times as many cars in general, you're products are top of their segments and you have the number 1 seller in the country, i dont think you'd care what trim level your opposition moves more of in one segment.

So how long do you think Toyota will likely survive in Australia selling tradie specials and discounted 4x4 Hilux's..

Surely they're on borrowed time.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

When you're selling 4 times as many cars in general, you're products are top of their segments and you have the number 1 seller in the country, i dont think you'd care what trim level your opposition moves more of in one segment.

Are you sure about that?
In the last six months, I have never seen Ranger priced less than a comparable Hilux,
even with the five year free service that you like to harp on.

Also,

For 6 months weve been told that Ranger sales were down because the new model was coming,

As explained by others, up until August there was barely 25 sales between 4x4 Hilux and 4x4 Ranger..
The two were neck and neck until buyers learned that a refreshed model was coming in the next couple of months...


Now enough, I'm done.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Whats obvious about it?

Earlier on you said Hilux was powering ahead on discounted 4x2 tradies yet the figures show only 73 more than the same month last year.
Now you're saying its obvious that its discounted 4x4 thats leading the Hilux charge and whilst its true that the 4x4 version is breaking records, why is it that its only due to discounts and not that people just prefer the Hilux.

If the shoe was on the other foot it would be 'Ranger is just that good.'

Ford offered 5yrs of free servicing to the value of $2600 on a recently refreshed model yet sold 130 uits less than last year even with the highly anticipated Raptor appearing in driveways.

Somethings obvious, but it doesnt involve Hilux.

“Oh What a Feeling”!

[vztrt]

It's always funny reading people argue over australian sales for a global model. Obviously ranger is done as the figures aren't good enough in Australia....time to shut down operations.