Speed camera's getting shiftier!

[Munch]

Was driving down one of my local roads the other day and BANG, on the MEDIAN strip between the two directions of traffic was a bloody stationary speed camera vehicle looking at me! I was in so much damn shock I didn't even think to check my speed (doing 85km/h in a 70 zone)

What's worse is I never speed on this road, just needed check that, wanted to overtake a moron driver doing 55, and smart me decided to get in front of the car next to me rather than wait for it to pass and get in behind it... and BANG, it was just there!

Has anyone seen or heard of the operators facing you??? -for only your direction of traffic (like I said, this thing was on the median strip between the two directions of traffic) rather than on the side of the road...

But the Munch will wear the fine, unless I feel like taking it to court to contest on some random law... But i'd have to speak with the traffic guys at the Firm first.

[Mr Hardware]

that's a regular occurrence in QLD.

[my67xr]

same in sa, i see them all the time, on median strip, usually hidden in with trees etc. sux too here they are not putting the signs down the road after the cameras anymore like they used to. we could usually spot the signs up the road first.

[Lion Slayer]

Just the other day in Nambour there were 2 policemen hiding inside a bus shelter trying to get people going down a steep hill where the speed limit goes from 80 to 70. They were only noticable as you drove right up to them, I wasn't speeding but there were a few cars around gaining speed down the hill.

[tranquilized]

The last speeding fine I got was from a speed camera facing me, and that was about 5 years ago in Melbourne.

[schmidty]

Originally Posted by Munch

Was driving down one of my local roads the other day and BANG, on the MEDIAN strip between the two directions of traffic was a bloody stationary speed camera vehicle looking at me! I was in so much damn shock I didn't even think to check my speed (doing 85km/h in a 70 zone)

What's worse is I never speed on this road, just needed check that, wanted to overtake a moron driver doing 55, and smart me decided to get in front of the car next to me rather than wait for it to pass and get in behind it... and BANG, it was just there!

Has anyone seen or heard of the operators facing you??? -for only your direction of traffic (like I said, this thing was on the median strip between the two directions of traffic) rather than on the side of the road...

But the Munch will wear the fine, unless I feel like taking it to court to contest on some random law... But i'd have to speak with the traffic guys at the Firm first.

I miss victorian speed cameras. You just look for the new car with black tint parked somewhere obvious. Frustrating thing was there seeming to be no rules in regards to what laws they can break in order to get those money shots! I've been booked twice for having 2 wheels up on nature strips, but i frequently used to see camera cars around melbourne on the footpath.

I'm in WA now, all on tripods hidden in the bushes. Sometimes you might see an X-trail (what all the operators seem to drive) parked somewhere stupid like in the median or trying to shove it in some bushes out of sight, but most of the time all that gets seen is the flash.

If you get done, they send you 3 photos, one of the rego plate, one of the whole vehice, and 1 zoomed right in on the drivers face. All the cameras i've ever seen over here bar 1 are facing towards you.

Police have been really hitting things hard over here lately, and i for 1 am glad. WA seems to be one of the most out of control places in Aus that i've driven in regards to drink driving culture, unlicensed driving, and i hate to use the term, but "Hoon" drivers. I'm all for a bit of fun and enjoying the drive, but i'm sick to death of p!$$ head cutting donuts around my area and racing their $#!^ box commodores through estates. Quite a few of us are at the point of being ready to take matters into our own hands.

Geez, i went off on a tangeant then! :

[Linkachu]

Originally Posted by schmidty

I miss victorian speed cameras. You just look for the new car with black tint parked somewhere obvious.

Recently i have seen a VY crewman. In Vic theyre not all that new anymore, theyre getting sneaky and using older cars.
To bad on my mums street they park in the one spot so i always know its them =P

[BigAL_250]

Originally Posted by schmidty

I miss victorian speed cameras. You just look for the new car with black tint parked somewhere obvious.

Ahh, the good old days, when camera cars were brand new BA's VY's or new Magnas, with heavy tinting, a rear louver, and SA Government Plates!

[Franco Cozzo]

Is there portable speed cameras? Because coming home from school I noticed a cop sitting on the corner, with some box with buttons and knobs, with wires running into one of the big gum trees.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by XCPWSF

Is there portable speed cameras? Because coming home from school I noticed a cop sitting on the corner, with some box with buttons and knobs, with wires running into one of the big gum trees.

Just practicing with the Tazer on a Koala?

[XR6_190]

I haven't seen any older cars, the ones I usually see, are late model wagons, and smaller (x trail/ forrester type) SUVs. I've never seen them sitting in the Median strip (except the odd highway copper with the radar) And usually they are forward facing. The ticket I copped (doing 66 in a 60 zone) did not include any photo's, but I am sure had I requested them I would have had access to them.

[ford_maiden]

here they now have the new merc vans and they can set the camera up in the front, side or back and can catch you up to 400m back or foward, they still post the signs up on the road but they sit just about anywhere thay can park it, even behind the concrete barriers on the side of the freeway so you dont see them till your on them.

[BPXR6T]

I was doing some work on the Vic infringement system not long ago and the sample data I was provided included test photos of oncoming traffic.

[China]

Take it to court if the speed camera was on the median strip fine will have to be dropped the camera must be on the same level as the rest of the traffic

[LTDterri]

Lately I've seen these sneaky buggers sitting in the Medium strip facing you on Childs Road Mill Park, the problem is that you don't see them until you get quite close because of a curve in the road. Interesting what China says that they must be at the same level as the rest of the Traffic cause out here they are always on nature strips, footpaths etc. I was walking once and there was one parked over the footpath, I advised the guy he was blocking the footpath and he got out and wanted to go me. He was a big dude so I didn't pursue the argument. Im sure though someone would have stopped to help me....well I hope they would have.

[XRQTR]

I actually stopped to take phone cam pics of one guy parked at the top of a hill on the down side, how's that for sneaky, well needless to say he started packing up as soon as he realised what I was doing.

But ye anywhere in the Western suburbs of melbourne keep a look out for a green Rodeo with a canopy and a black Rav4, these 2 seem to do the rounds more often than most. It's the guy in the Rodeo that's the fink, I often see him around dips and anywhere the road might tend to travel downhill, and yes he was the one I was taking the pics of.

If you see any of them doing what you think is the wrong thing get your phone cam out and take pics, see how they like it, if they have a go at you record it and forward it on to their superior. Also send any pics of them doing the wrong thing to their superior as well as any regulatory body (if their is one), these guys aren't doing us any favors so why should we do them any, maybe send it on to the state opposition, they always love a good reason for a "spirited debate". Especially the guys parked over the walkways and foot paths, this is a health and safety issue particularly for kids and the elderly who may have to walk around them on the road side and risk being hit by a vehicle.

Let the pic wars begin :

[torbirdie]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

I actually stopped to take phone cam pics of one guy parked at the top of a hill on the down side, how's that for sneaky, well needless to say he started packing up as soon as he realised what I was doing.:

? what is wrong with having the camera on a downhill part of the road, think carefully before answering.

[Iggypoppin']

Originally Posted by torbirdie

? what is wrong with having the camera on a downhill part of the road, think carefully before answering.

Hey! I just noticed something. Do you only come on here to pick fights? It's just every thread you post in, you whinge and nitpick and don't really contribute...just a thought..think carefully before answering!

[torbirdie]

Originally Posted by 76txcoupe

and don't really contribute...just a thought!

Really, if an opinion or thought differs from the mainstream here, its not contributing?
Or was this thread only for those that have negative things to say about the police, speed cameras etc?

[XRQTR]

Originally Posted by torbirdie

? what is wrong with having the camera on a downhill part of the road, think carefully before answering.

Perhaps when you learn to use common sense you will not need to ask silly questions.

First of all there is a maximum angle of descent where cameras can't be used, secondly and regardless of any maximum angle, we all know that a cars speed will creep up a couple of km's where the road dips.

you keeping up so far??

now had this been on the top on the up side of the hill, no problem as most cars would probably be doing between 5-10 km/h less than the prescribed speed.

not going to fast for you am I??

So, in conclusion, it's far easier to "trap" yes that's right I used the "t" word here, an unsuspecting motorist whilst their car gains speed slightly rather than being a deterant on the other side. This is a quiet suburban street where very little speeding actually occurs, oops, my mistake, the speed demons come there to see how quickly they can go downhill.

If you have any further questions don't bother as you're obviously a traffic cop/inspector god forbid you're a parking inspector, in which case I have the linch mob at the ready, who has very little else to do but find arguments over minor matters, as has been mentioned by other members, other "long standing" members I might add that actually contribute to these forums in a constructive manner.

So how about you think before asking another ridiculous question.


Have a nice day :

[torbirdie]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

Perhaps when you learn to use common sense you will not need to ask silly questions.

First of all there is a maximum angle of descent where cameras can't be used, secondly and regardless of any maximum angle, we all know that a cars speed will creep up a couple of km's where the road dips.

you keeping up so far??

now had this been on the top on the up side of the hill, no problem as most cars would probably be doing between 5-10 km/h less than the prescribed speed.

not going to fast for you am I??

So, in conclusion, it's far easier to "trap" yes that's right I used the "t" word here, an unsuspecting motorist whilst their car gains speed slightly rather than being a deterant on the other side. This is a quiet suburban street where very little speeding actually occurs, oops, my mistake, the speed demons come there to see how quickly they can go downhill.

If you have any further questions don't bother as you're obviously a traffic cop/inspector god forbid you're a parking inspector, in which case I have the linch mob at the ready, who has very little else to do but find arguments over minor matters, as has been mentioned by other members, other "long standing" members I might add that actually contribute to these forums in a constructive manner.

So how about you think before asking another ridiculous question.


Have a nice day :

Cars speed up going down hills, thanks for that, but Im puzzled as to why we shouldnt enforce speed limits down hills. If we can get pinned for doing 65km/h in a 60km/h zone on the flat why not on a downhill section where it is inherently more difficult to stop and manoeuvre.

Going downhill increases stopping distance markedly for the same speed, a gradient of only 5 degrees will increase stopping distances by 12%. Hardly a reason to justify larger speeds on downhill sections.

Certainly, most are strong advocates for driver concentration and attention.....if a driver doesnt notice they are going down an incline , they really need help(an inclinometer perhaps) or perhaps shouldnt have got a licence in the 1st place.

no speed cameras at bottom of hills, if they can put pedestrian crossings and intersections there, why not.

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by torbirdie

? what is wrong with having the camera on a downhill part of the road, think carefully before answering.

ummmmmmmmm the fact it is illegal for a speed camera to be set up at the bottom of a hill (at least here in vic )

my other comment here is best said by the below pic

[Pedro]

I once saw a camera vehicle parked on the footpath. I stopped and started taking photos. A cop jumped out and asked what I was doing. I told him I was taking photos of an illegaly parked vehicle and was going to forward them to the police minister. He packed up and left and I found out later through police contacts that all photos taken from that vehicle that day were deleted "due to camera malfunction".

[Iggypoppin']

No, opinion and input is welcomed in this forum. Yours is very rarely constructive and often negative or critical of other users. I won't reply to your next comment, but one glance at your reputation should answer any questions you might have..

[calais]

Sadly it appears to be the society we are living in, that has let the powers that be rob us blind with such back handed tactics.

I am sure that every member on here would agree that the sight of visible and marked law enforcement slows people down. This hidden camera garbage has proven to do nothing except raise revenue, an issue I have taken issue with and proven time and time again with my local member for federal parliament in both NSW and QLD.

I believe that in Britain and in other European countries, the population has begun a revolt against speed cameras, both fixed and mobile and is having some effect in telling their elected leaders, that what they are doing does not reflect the will of their population.

I have been lucky (if you can call it that) to have never recieved a speeding fine, but have been given two parking tickets that I have fought and won based on the fact the tickets were unlawfully issued. Going to court to fight for my rights as a citizen was embarrassing and inconvenient, but thats of no concern to the people who go around flaunting their authority on the public.

[DBourne]

good old NSW.

3 big, wait make that gigantic, signs before a speed camera

[Fev]

Atleast the signs are a preventetive measure which in my book is much more effective then there being No camera's.

[Iggypoppin']

Hmmm.. I see that my point was not made in vain. My argument also xrqtor, but I think you delivered it better than I did. Hopefully the petty fights and nitpicking stops now.

[Noddy]

I heard recently of a guy that received a ticket on the M1 in QLD for 126 in 110 zone. He ended up taking it to court and getting off by downloading the info out of his satnav which gave him exact location, time, speed.
It showed him doing under the limit and the judge canned the ticket.
Most of the newer units can do this apparently. How it was explained was when you receive a speeding fine it is always alleged that you are doing that speed and you have to prove you weren't. GPS is 100% correct. So if you have one of these units you can access this info leave it on all the time.

Anyone else heard of this happening?

[XRQTR]

Originally Posted by 76txcoupe

Hopefully the petty fights and nitpicking stops now.

And pigs may one day grow wings and become angels showering us with high octane fuel and beach babes just waiting to open a bottle of brew while we watch our favorite show.

Actually I think there is more chance of that happeneing

Originally Posted by torbirdie

Cars speed up going down hills, thanks for that, but Im puzzled as to why we shouldnt enforce speed limits down hills. If we can get pinned for doing 65km/h in a 60km/h zone on the flat why not on a downhill section where it is inherently more difficult to stop and manoeuvre.

Going downhill increases stopping distance markedly for the same speed, a gradient of only 5 degrees will increase stopping distances by 10%. Hardly a reason to justify larger speeds on downhill sections.

I don't recall anyone here justifying speeding, this is nothing to do with justification but everything t do with common sense which you seem to lack any of, you forgot to take your pills again didn't you??

Originally Posted by torbirdie

Certainly, most are strong advocates for driver concentration and attention.....if a driver doesnt notice they are going down an incline , they really need help(an inclinometer perhaps) or perhaps shouldnt have got a licence in the 1st place.

no speed cameras at bottom of hills, if they can put pedestrian crossings and intersections there, why not.

Wrong, if a driver doesn't realise they are going downhill then they may have an inner ear issue.

And, if they can put unisex toilets on airplanes, then why don't they have them hooked up to the inflight entertainment?? why not?? I know I'd fly more often, in fact I may even get a job as a flight attendant.

You either don't live in Victoria or you are as I stated previously quite possibly a parking inspector or possibly, just perhaps, a speed camera operator even, hmm definitely speed dialing the lynch mob now.

Victoria has a zero tolerance policy on speeding, which we all agree with, not one person either on here or that resides in the greatest state in this fair land, VICTORIA VICTORIA, would argue that. However when even as little as 1km'h will end up seeing a fine on it's way via Aussie post, it is actually a law, that's right A LAW, that states that speed detection devices shall not be used on roads where the road has greater than a certain decline/incline.

IT'S THE LAW

Trouble is many of our fine upstart citizens who operate these devices that should be thrown overboard with a bucket of chum on a "fishing" trip, sorry I meant slipped while they were trying to grapple the fish and got taken up by the shark that was following said fish, take it upon themselves to "bend" the rules, perhaps a momentary lapse of memory was to blame. Thing is unless they get pulled up on it, they will keep doing it, end of story, and if you agree with these practices then maybe you'd like to come fishing with me sometime.



the next lesson will be how to "restrain" one of these attacking pests without any consequence to yourselves