Best place to tie a car down on a car tralier

frd906 · 01-10-2009, 09:19 PM

Next week im picking a car up and just wanted to no where is the best spot to tie a car down on the car tralier from under the car, cheers

svo supporter · 01-10-2009, 09:29 PM

Tie down from the diff and front end. Make sure the rope goes round the tyres as well, just for insurance.

frd906 · 01-10-2009, 09:32 PM

i will be getting much rope as i can get and go crazy with the front and back, do i tie off the axels as well on the diff?? and do i tie off the towing point on the front of the car as well

GTP owner · 01-10-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by frd906

i will be getting much rope as i can get and go crazy with the front and back, do i tie off the axels as well on the diff?? and do i tie off the towing point on the front of the car as well

What sort of car is it? I wound not tie an axle, and you may bend it out of round.

**GasoLane** · 02-10-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP owner

What sort of car is it? I wound not tie an axle, and you may bend it out of round.

He's using ropes and he's gunna bend an axle ? C'mon!!

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Originally Posted by gilmore

Law requires the car not being held in place with winch.Winch is to load the vehicle and not secure it in place.

All 4 tyres must me strapped down,front and back straps are optional but I would deem them mandatory,again law.

This must be an SA law. No problem moving this 500kms (from Syd to Wagga on the Hume) with the handbrake on. Winch hooked up to stop any rearwards movement.One rope across the front, tied both sides and the same at the rear.

If your only going 20k's just plonk it on the trailer with the handbrake on and drive carefully.

FreddyDUZ747 · 02-10-2009, 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=GasOLane]

He's using ropes and he's gunna bend an axle ? C'mon!!
This must be an SA law.

If your only going 20k's just plonk it on the trailer with the handbrake on and drive carefully.

What makes you say its only SA law?Please tell

Im going to assume you ment 20kp/hr and plonk it on,not 20kms distance.

That would also be an illegal load as what your carrying is well past the total weight of vehicle mass(tow car)no matter what your towbar is rated too.

If all these things Ive said is wrong then we were all taken for a ride that weekend and I stand corrected.I would of thought these kinds of rules are implemented in all states.

mrbaxr6t · 02-10-2009, 08:52 PM

everybody likely knows this, but its unsafe to tow more weight than the tow vehicle, so don't go towing that EF on a trailer weighing a good 500kgs plus with a VK.

**GasoLane** · 02-10-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gilmore

What makes you say its only SA law?Please tell

Never heard of such a law here (NSW) did the Police handing out the warnings/fines actually quote you a road rule or rule number. Or did they just say 'It's Illegal' ?

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Originally Posted by gilmore

Im going to assume you ment 20kp/hr and plonk it on,not 20kms distance.

Nope. 20 kilometers in distance.

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Originally Posted by gilmore

That would also be an illegal load as what your carrying is well past the total weight of vehicle mass(tow car)no matter what your towbar is rated too.

294–2 NSW rule: towing by vehicles under 4.5 tonnes

(cf RRR, cl 49)
(1) A driver must not drive a motor vehicle (the towing vehicle) that has a motor vehicle, trailer or other vehicle attached to it for the purpose of being towed (the towed vehicle), if the laden weight of the towed vehicle exceeds:
(a) the capacity of the towing attachment fitted to the towing vehicle, or
(b) the maximum laden weight for the towed vehicle.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

Note. Motor vehicle, towing attachment and trailer are defined in the Dictionary, and vehicle is defined in rule 15.
(2) For the purposes of subrule (1), the maximum laden weight for a towed vehicle is:
(a) the maximum laden weight for a towed vehicle that the manufacturer of the towing vehicle has specified in respect of the towing vehicle, or
(b) if the manufacturer of the towing vehicle has not specified such a maximum, the manufacturer cannot be identified or the towing vehicle has been modified to the extent that the manufacturer’s specification is no longer appropriate:
(i) one and a half times the unladen weight of the towing vehicle if the towed vehicle is fitted with a braking system that is working properly

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Originally Posted by gilmore

If all these things Ive said is wrong then we were all taken for a ride that weekend and I stand corrected.I would of thought these kinds of rules are implemented in all states.

Road rules differ greatly between states, trust me on this. I've been driving between them (the states and the rules) for a long time.

My Barge towed the Little Red German Taxi from Manly (a Nthn Syd suburb) through the metro area, then 430kms along the Hume Hwy to Wagga. At least 4 GD police cars and 3 HP cars had the opportunity to question me. None did, and mr plod on the Hume around Goulburn are not known to be kind.

GTP owner · 01-10-2009, 09:33 PM

Depends on the trailer - sprung vs unsprung. Also depends on what tie down points are available on the trailer. I use the diff tied back to the rear of the trailer with the strongest strap wound around it a few times - i prefer to lose the car off the back of the trailer than come through my rear window if i crash.
I then tie the front cross member or chassis rails with shortened ratchet straps to the very front of the trailer near the tow hitch.

things to look out for - be very careful of tieing the body itself to the trailer. The car will bounce up and down and put huge stress on the ropes - either damaging the car or breaking the ropes. Also recheck your ropes after a few km. I prefer to use ratchet straps than ropes - they are easier to ensure they are on properly. Finally, don't worry about tieing the car side-to side. It will move front or rear, not to the side in most cases. If you ties it eveny front to rear, it should not move off to the side

frd906 · 01-10-2009, 09:41 PM

its a ef futura, its about a 20 km trip, up couple of big hills down a few,

so i tie off all 4 wheels then from the diff and the front towing point

GTP owner · 01-10-2009, 09:44 PM

I wound not worry about the wheels too much. There is a particular truckies technique to get the rope to stay on them, but i found it easier just to go off the diff - the tubes off either side, not the actual centre.
At the front, thread the rope up and over the cross member if you can get in there. They are the strongest point to attach the ropes to

FreddyDUZ747 · 01-10-2009, 09:46 PM

Law requires the car not being held in place with winch.Winch is to load the vehicle and not secure it in place.

All 4 tyres must me strapped down,front and back straps are optional but I would deem them mandatory,again law.

Last year at Autofest the cops used this to either fine you or if you had spare tying down ropes/straps you were alowed to carry on with a warning that will become active if another caution is given within 3 years.Everyone got the same spewl that was pulled over.Being in Murray Bridge their was no shortage to help people out and get their cars strapped.Thats how well behaved we were for the weekend,thats all they had to get us on.

Again,sounds overkill(not to me anymore)but thats the things we have to do to use our public roads.

Certain car trailers make this procedure hard to put to affect,yet they hire them out.

frd906 · 01-10-2009, 09:52 PM

im hopeing the tralier i hire has straps with it other wise rope crazy time

wizardy · 01-10-2009, 09:56 PM

my old single axel car trailer has wedges and pins to encase the front of the steer tyres.
but its gatering weeds atm cuz you can't register a single axel car trailer in nsw now
so i have to rebuild the old girl.

frd906 · 01-10-2009, 09:58 PM

should the trailer from the servos come with straps or ties downs???

wizardy · 01-10-2009, 10:17 PM

most dont.

tankclare · 01-10-2009, 10:30 PM

like others have said depending on the trailer..tie so the car can't move forward or backwards. We usually tie around the wheels to. Becomes super secure

tickford2001 · 01-10-2009, 10:40 PM

if youre hiring a servo trailer, have a VERY GOOD look at the chassis, the last two i have gone to hire have had fatigue cracks in the drawbar! recipe for disaster

a mate also hired one that only had 2 of 4 bolts bolting the coupling to the drawbar...those 2 lasted about 150kms then the car/trailer passed him on the western ring road and smashed into a fence....

the maintenance on some of the servo hire stuff is pathetic, so do yourself a favour and have a good looksie

dom_105 · 02-10-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tickford2001

if youre hiring a servo trailer, have a VERY GOOD look at the chassis, the last two i have gone to hire have had fatigue cracks in the drawbar! recipe for disaster

a mate also hired one that only had 2 of 4 bolts bolting the coupling to the drawbar...those 2 lasted about 150kms then the car/trailer passed him on the western ring road and smashed into a fence....

the maintenance on some of the servo hire stuff is pathetic, so do yourself a favour and have a good looksie

I remember one customer where I work didn't even make it off the site before the coupling came loose off the towball and made a nice little dint in their tailgate.

XR Martin · 01-10-2009, 11:05 PM

If its only 20km a towie would probably do it for less than $100 cash. (I paid $70 a few months ago for a similar distance)
For only a short distance it isnt worth the trouble and risk. Towie would take no more than 30mins to do it, doing it yourself with a hire trailer would probably be three to four times that.

tickford2001 · 01-10-2009, 11:59 PM

martin has a good point about getting a towie - where abouts is the car located?

svo supporter · 02-10-2009, 12:13 AM

When I tie down on my car trailer, I'm fortunate enough to have 2 wheel well holes to drop the car wheels into. I have the electric trailer winch holding the car at the front. I then run a rope from side to side in front of the wheels and then the back of them.

With the rears, I do the same. Tie in front of the wheels and the back. I also have a chain round the diff, into a gap at the rear of the trailer with a box tube welded in place with a large H/T nut and bolt holding the chain in place. I heard in S.A, all cars must be chained down, hence why I have this chain fixed this way

I have had the locals tail me, with a car tied down this way, without being pulled over for it. The last car I towed tied like this, was for 700K and the car made it back safe and sound. The car weighted about 2 1/2 tonne as well.

Good luck with it all

frd906 · 02-10-2009, 04:47 AM

actually thats a good idea hiring a tow truck, saves the risk of using my car.

do they charge when they pick the car up and then drop it off or do they charge from the depo, to the car then to the destination

tickford2001 · 02-10-2009, 08:51 AM

get them to quote you before you book them, just say "i need to get a car from A to B tomorrow arvo, how much would i be looking at" or something like that

cash usually talks too

where abouts are you located, might be able to recommend someone

torbirdie · 02-10-2009, 09:10 AM

Depending on distance, Id recommend a flat top towie too. There's lots of people that do it, perhaps try the outfits that pickup wrecks for nothing, they're are usually more "backyard" and much cheaper. I had a car transported 40km across Melbourne, cost me $90. Im guessing trailer hire would cost at least $60?

Another point to consider is that the tow hitch should be rated to at least 2.5 tonne if you are going to be hauling a large car on a big trailer, check that it is within what is prescribed for your car to tow as well.

Out of ignorance, Ive towed cars using a hitch that was only rated to 1200kg, with no problems, but if anything goes wrong, you wont have a leg to stand on.

wizardy · 02-10-2009, 09:23 AM

cash no recipts and they are realy helpful better if can talk to the driver he might do a foreign for you.

FreddyDUZ747 · 02-10-2009, 10:07 PM

They had road scales their and I was issued with a warning and paperwork was issued(blue slip).

Was all above board by what they said,I used a VX(cough,cough)5.7 wagon and was told to find something more suitable next year,the reason for my earlier quote.Thinking about it now if id had an accident on way home it would of been the officers fault as he let me go with that car I was towing with.

I think discression plays a big role in being pulled over.State wide laws FTW.

Gee,that took a while,had a few longnecks tonight and needed to spell check my stuff badly.20 mins to post this :togo:

I apoligise if I came across blunt,jumped the gun it seems.

**GasoLane** · 03-10-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by gilmore

They had road scales their and I was issued with a warning and paperwork was issued(blue slip).

Ah, now thats different. RTA inspectors (or the SA equivalent) usually do know what they are on about. Especially if they conduct an operation like that.

P.S. they hand out tickets (blue slip) for a warning?? Here a warning is just that...a smack on the wrist and told to not do it again.

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Originally Posted by OLDFORDNUT

if you dont have any experience towing big trailers make sure you take someone who has with you.and NO the pimply git at servo counter is not good for advice on tying down a load.

We're lucky here. One trailer hire place actually makes the trailers on site

OLDFORDNUT · 03-10-2009, 08:39 AM

hire trailers around here never seem to have a working winch anymore,makes life very very hard for hauling up a non runner.i sold a Valiant Ranger to a guy in Brisbane earlier this year and he turned up with a hire trailer that also had no winch,lucky for him there was 5 of us here to push it on.the cost of trailer was $75 for 4 hours or $118 for 24 hours, the hire trailers dont come with any ropes, straps or chains so you need to have your own.,also never touch a tandem with different tyres on them they will cause the trailer to throw tow car and trailer from inside lane to outside lane very easily,( lots of hire trailers have up to 3 different tyres fitted to trailer,VERY DANGEROUS)if you dont have any experience towing big trailers make sure you take someone who has with you.and NO the pimply git at servo counter is not good for advice on tying down a load.

OLDFORDNUT · 03-10-2009, 09:35 AM

Just to ad to my last post, if towing an unfamiliar tandem trailer with a car on it dont take your kids with you, if you have not been flung across three lanes of traffic on Hi-way due to poor loading or bad trailer you dont know what fear is..
also make sure heaviest part of car is at front of trailer,if no motor in car put it on backwardswith boot at front of trailer, if a ute loaded in back and towed car sits higher at front due to load then put it on backwards also,even if it has an engine in front, then when loading car on make sure you position weight so tow car starts to sink on its springs (meaning more weight is on draw bar than back of trailer)
then chain and rope it on so it cant move forwards or backwards,this will help stop the dreaded speed wobble that will quickly throw you off the road if you cant get trailer back under control fast, by pulling it straight with a quick hit on the gas peddle or a gentle slowing down ,if slowing down does not work you must hit the gas so tow car quickly straightens load,all this must be done in split seconds or you will crash,
CONFUSING,yes thats why its so important to distribute weight properly as its no joke when things turn ugly towing big trailers.
Also when putting weight forward towards draw bar dont take it too far forwards so tow car is down right to bump stops as this is nearly as bad for towing too,
you will know if you have too much weight on draw bar as tow car will have extremely light steering as its lifting front too high for proper control.
If towing for first time or using a big trailer your not used too towing then LEAVE THE CHILDREN HOME.