How Many Times Have You Been Caught Speeding?

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Went for a trip with my Mum earlier this week to drop off my seadoo for a service and to drop off a display cabinet to my sister that was at my mum's.

During the approx 6 hour round trip, we talked about many things, but especially other people's driving habits. In amongst that was how many people were speeding.

I know that there are always threads on this forum about how unfair the current speeding rules are, and how inappropriate some of the speed limits are, etc, and then you have the other side of the fence where people say it is easy not to pay the government, just don't speed. So, it got me to thinking about how many people on these forums actually don't speed (or at least never get pinged for it), and of those that do, how often they get caught.

I'll happily put up my hand and proudly say that, in the 27 years I've held a licence, I have never been caught. Not once!. Not to say I don't speed, because I don't think anyone can honestly say that, but I think I'm a pretty good judge of right time and place.

But, my Mum trumps me easily! She's had a licence for something like 45 years, and has never been booked, fined or even pulled over for speeding! Except once when we lived in Malaysia back in the mid-70s. On that occasion, Mum swears she wasn't speeding, but it is pretty hard to argue when you're a female, by yourself and the police officer is brandishing a machine gun . After an exchange of cash, all was forgotten so I don't think that really counts....

So, how many times have you been fined for speeding? And when you post, please let us know how many years you have had a licence.

This should be an interesting survey!

[.:4:.]

Got off diu thrice also.

[BFIIGhiaZF6]

Had my licence motorcycle/car for 53 years, two speeding fines in last 35 years, most recent was just two weeks ago, 64 kph in 60 kph zone, zero traffic, $196 fine, pretty ****ed off about it

[csv8]

Originally Posted by gmoughton

Had my licence motorcycle/car for 53 years, two speeding fines in last 35 years, most recent was just two weeks ago, 64 kph in 60 kph zone, zero traffic, $196 fine, pretty ****ed off about it

4kms over and $196 fine. Thats revenue raising. Queensland its $184 loss 1 point.

[BFIIGhiaZF6]

Originally Posted by csv8

4kms over and $196 fine. Thats revenue raising. Queensland its $184 loss 1 point.

Yes me too, forgot about the bloody point

Was on a dead straight section of suburban road too, have no idea where the cop was hiding

[Trump]

Originally Posted by gmoughton

Yes me too, forgot about the bloody point

Was on a dead straight section of suburban road too, have no idea where the cop was hiding

You should write to the traffic camera office and ask for the fine and points to be waived, but you have to admit to the offence and make some song and dance about road safety blah blah blah and how you'll be a good boy next time.

[JC]

Originally Posted by gmoughton

Had my licence motorcycle/car for 53 years, two speeding fines in last 35 years, most recent was just two weeks ago, 64 kph in 60 kph zone, zero traffic, $196 fine, pretty ****ed off about it

If you have good driving record for the past 2 years and the speeding was under 10kmh over, you can write in, admit fault and request fine to be withdrawn based on your record. The offence is still recorded and counts against your good driving record so if you have this one withdrawn, the next one won't be.

http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content...ument_ID=10369

[BFIIGhiaZF6]

Originally Posted by JC

If you have good driving record for the past 2 years and the speeding was under 10kmh over, you can write in, admit fault and request fine to be withdrawn based on your record. The offence is still recorded and counts against your good driving record so if you have this one withdrawn, the next one won't be.

http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content...ument_ID=10369

Originally Posted by Trump

You should write to the traffic camera office and ask for the fine and points to be waived, but you have to admit to the offence and make some song and dance about road safety blah blah blah and how you'll be a good boy next time.

Thanks guys, had intended to just pay up, but am now just posting form, http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content...Media_ID=97823
alleged speed was 6.6% over limit, am regularly passed on freeway sitting on speed limit by people doing fk'sw speed

Heading out to Alice next week and hitting the dirt
No, not in the Ghia

[Mercury Bullet]

Luckily I live in country WA where plods are a little more lenient although I was pinged the other day overtaking a road train doing 130 (well that's what the fine was) I may or may not have been going much quicker that that.

We also have the luxury of radar detectors here.

For a comparison with Georges 4km/h over, here 20km over is $200 and 2 points. No wonder I don't drive when I'm in Melbourne.

[BFIIGhiaZF6]

Originally Posted by BF11GhiaZF6

Thanks guys, had intended to just pay up, but am now just posting form, http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content...Media_ID=97823
alleged speed was 6.6% over limit, am regularly passed on freeway sitting on speed limit by people doing fk'sw speed

Heading out to Alice next week and hitting the dirt
No, not in the Ghia

Have clamped down in NT outside Alice too now 110kph on sealed road, 130kph on dirt, sealing a lot more of the Larapinta way road around the West McDonald Range tourist loop with 80kph limit on some it now, not as much fun as it used to be, but enjoyed the trip as ever

Was beginning to think they had forgotten about me, but just received letter, lost my appeal, got another month to pay up $194

Thanks anyway guys, was worth a try

[chrisandsharon]

Originally Posted by gmoughton

Had my licence motorcycle/car for 53 years, two speeding fines in last 35 years, most recent was just two weeks ago, 64 kph in 60 kph zone, zero traffic, $196 fine, pretty ****ed off about it

4km/h over - definitely wouldn't have made bail. How's the prison food tasting after 2 weeks

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by gmoughton

Had my licence motorcycle/car for 53 years, two speeding fines in last 35 years, most recent was just two weeks ago, 64 kph in 60 kph zone, zero traffic, $196 fine, pretty ****ed off about it

It still baffles me that hasn't been challenged and thrown out as an unacceptable tolerance. In NSW, that wouldn't even give a HWP cop a half chub.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by gmoughton

Had my licence motorcycle/car for 53 years, two speeding fines in last 35 years, most recent was just two weeks ago, 64 kph in 60 kph zone, zero traffic, $196 fine, pretty ****ed off about it

Originally Posted by Rodp

It still baffles me that hasn't been challenged and thrown out as an unacceptable tolerance. In NSW, that wouldn't even give a HWP cop a half chub.

His detected speed would have probably been 66 kph, so the alleged speed was 64 kph.... That's how it works in Vic.

So George was 10% over the speed limit

[b0son]

Originally Posted by BAXRSIX

His detected speed would have probably been 66 kph, so the alleged speed was 64 kph.... That's how it works in Vic.

So George was 10% over the speed limit

No, the tolerance is due to the margin of error in the radar. You can be detected at 66, but that doesn't mean you were doing 66.

[MrEL]

I got knocked off recently for somehow managing to speed UP Victoria Pass NSW in a 1.3 litre , automatic Toyota Yaris loaded with work tools.
Now that takes skills.

[chrisandsharon]

Originally Posted by MrEL

I got knocked off recently for somehow managing to speed UP Victoria Pass NSW in a 1.3 litre , automatic Toyota Yaris loaded with work tools.
Now that takes skills.

Many a time trial has been run up that hill! Those hotrods probably had nothing on your Yarris though

[MITCHAY]

I've been done twice, both when I was on my P's in 2004 and 2007.

The first I was issued a warning, the second I was 25 over and there was no way of getting out of that one. 3 points and $213 fine for that so I was lucky I got a warning the first time.

[janddbone]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I've been done twice, both when I was on my P's in 2004 and 2007.

The first I was issued a warning, the second I was 25 over and there was no way of getting out of that one. 3 points and $213 fine for that so I was lucky I got a warning the first time.

In this great State of Dan, 25 over is now 'excessive speeding' and gets a mandatory six month suspension and nearly $800 fine... Points, record etc dont matter all.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by janddbone

In this great State of Dan, 25 over is now 'excessive speeding' and gets a mandatory six month suspension and nearly $800 fine... Points, record etc dont matter all.

In this day and age it's a joke we can't even nationalize the countries road rules.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

In this day and age it's a joke we can't even nationalize the countries road rules.

This scope should include also the size and positioning of speed limit advisory signage.

Further to that, strategy for implementing compliance with national road rules should follow a nationally agreed and observed policy.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

This scope should include also the size and positioning of speed limit advisory signage.

Further to that, strategy for implementing compliance with national road rules should follow a nationally agreed and observed policy.

There are definitely differences between the states, more “comfort” speed signs in Qld
but in NSW you can drive a long way without confirmation of what the speed limit is….
could that be a deliberate thing?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by janddbone

In this great State of Dan, 25 over is now 'excessive speeding' and gets a mandatory six month suspension and nearly $800 fine... Points, record etc dont matter all.

Also has you ticking yes to the criminal record box on job applications and will show up on police checks, it's one of the rare ones that you don't need to go to court to have a criminal conviction applied, once you pay the fine it's an admission of guilt.

Excessive speed, drug and alcohol offences

Fines for excessive speed, drug and alcohol offences are different from other fines – they are more serious.

They may result in:

driver licence cancellation or suspension
a conviction

A conviction will be recorded 28 days from the Infringement Notice issue date on your fine, unless you object. If you were not responsible for the offence, you should act before that date. If you don't act, the offence will appear on your criminal record.

Excessive speed

You will be issued with an excessive speeding fine if you are caught driving 25km/h or more above the speed limit or driving at 130km/h or more.

If you do not act within 28 days of the notice issue date, your driver licence will be suspended, or in some cases it will be cancelled. The length of the suspension will be determined by how serious your offence is (how far over the speed limit you drove).

https://online.fines.vic.gov.au/Infr...cohol-offences

People may think that's not a big deal but in Victoria there's no legislation protecting you from discrimination from employers over having a current criminal conviction

Is it lawful to be asked about a criminal record or spent conviction?

There are no laws in Victoria against employers who discriminate against someone because of a current criminal record. However, from 1 December 2021, an employer cannot discriminate against you (treat you unfairly or unlawfully) because of a spent conviction.

https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/criminal-records

The only discrimination protection you have is for spent convictions and only since December 2021, so if anyone ever cops the excessive speed charge, go contest it in court with legal representation and try score no conviction recorded from the magistrate which will give you discrimination protection with employers in the form of the spent convictions act 2021.

[janddbone]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Also has you ticking yes to the criminal record box on job applications and will show up on police checks, it's one of the rare ones that you don't need to go to court to have a criminal conviction applied, once you pay the fine it's an admission of guilt.



https://online.fines.vic.gov.au/Infr...cohol-offences

People may think that's not a big deal but in Victoria there's no legislation protecting you from discrimination from employers over having a current criminal conviction

https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/criminal-records

The only discrimination protection you have is for spent convictions and only since December 2021, so if anyone ever cops the excessive speed charge, go contest it in court with legal representation and try score no conviction recorded from the magistrate which will give you discrimination protection with employers in the form of the spent convictions act 2021.

Even upon appeal, you may escape the coviction and the record if the judge dismisses it, however it is so sad to see them sit there and expain the suspension still stands as it is outside their power. basically a puppet in that regard.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by janddbone

Even upon appeal, you may escape the coviction and the record if the judge dismisses it, however it is so sad to see them sit there and expain the suspension still stands as it is outside their power. basically a puppet in that regard.

Because its a mandatory sentence - it takes away the discretion of the magistrate with what they can do,

My first magistrate was sympathetic towards me, but because of the mandatory 12 month cancellation period, she had to give me the 12 month loss of licence as she can only do what the law said.

Because this mandatory sentence, it also meant I was ineligible for the diversion program:

A diversion program is a way to deal with your matter out of the court system and give you a chance to avoid a criminal record.

If the magistrate agrees that you are eligible for diversion, you will be put on a diversion plan. You must follow certain conditions in this time. You might have to:

write a letter of apology to the victim
get counselling (anger management, drug or alcohol treatment)
do an education course (defensive driving course, drug awareness program)
make a donation
do community work.

If you follow the conditions of your diversion plan, the police drop the charges and there will be no finding of guilt. That means no criminal record.

A diversion plan usually goes for a year.

Eligibility

You will be eligible if:

your offence can be heard in the Magistrates’ Court
your offence does not have a minimum or fixed sentence or penalty
you agree that you were responsible for the offence.

https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/going-court-diversion

Excessive speed - the 25km/h and over job we're talking about, carries a mandatory/fixed sentence/penalty of loss of licence, so you're automatically out for the diversion program.

The second magistrate on going through the licence eligibility order process to get my licence back after the cancellation period, tore me a new ******* over it on the witness stand.

Its very much frowned upon by our magistrates, but other violent crimes are treated way less harshly than speeding offences.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Also has you ticking yes to the criminal record box on job applications and will show up on police checks, it's one of the rare ones that you don't need to go to court to have a criminal conviction applied, once you pay the fine it's an admission of guilt.



https://online.fines.vic.gov.au/Infr...cohol-offences

People may think that's not a big deal but in Victoria there's no legislation protecting you from discrimination from employers over having a current criminal conviction



https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/criminal-records

The only discrimination protection you have is for spent convictions and only since December 2021, so if anyone ever cops the excessive speed charge, go contest it in court with legal representation and try score no conviction recorded from the magistrate which will give you discrimination protection with employers in the form of the spent convictions act 2021.

I think that webpage is very misleading in that they include speeding with DUI and drug offences as a criminal offence.
Speeding has always been regarded as a driving offence (unless you are evading Police) and until I read the wording here, never regarded it as a criminal offence.Maybe at over 25km/h they regard it as showing intentional as opposed to lapse of concentration.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I think that webpage is very misleading in that they include speeding with DUI and drug offences as a criminal offence.
Speeding has always been regarded as a driving offence (unless you are evading Police) and until I read the wording here, never regarded it as a criminal offence.Maybe at over 25km/h they regard it as showing intentional as opposed to lapse of concentration.

This excessive speed is a summary offence, it comes up as a conviction on a crminal record and has you ticking yes to the criminal record box on job applications and it'll be shown to an employer on a criminal record check, plus effect international travel, you can forget about going to Canada as they're very strict on letting people into their country with criminal convictions.

Its the same class as exceeding speed limit by 45km/h or more, dangerous driving charges, low level violent crimes like assaults, domestic/family violence charges et al.

They are all summary offences, the low level speeding offences just come up on your VicRoads driving history, just the normal sub 25km/h speeding fines and that sort of stuff.

This is what my driving records show:



I've literally not had one minor offence, ever.

But, there's this:



However its a spent conviction, thanks to the magistrate giving me no conviction recorded, so it won't get disclosed to employers by Victoria Police on a criminal record check, nor can they discriminate against me for a spent conviction as it gives me a legal avenue to chase should someone try.

If someone asks me for the complete VicRoads driving history, it appears on my convictions list as you can see above, but it doesn't on a criminal record check from Victoria Police - which gives me legal protection from discrimination under the spent convictions act 2021.

Best $550 I've ever spent was on legal representation, no conviction recorded, and one of the charges dropped.

A friend got done for 75 over the limit, the police dropped it down to 65 over the limit for him on the side of the road,

But he went into court with no legal representation on poor advice, plead guilty and ended up scoring dangerous driving and driving at dangerous speed convictions, now he gets discriminated against by employers because he has a criminal conviction, he got rejected from a cleaning job at Melbourne Airport, after he got offered the position once the criminal record check came back, and there's nothing he can do about it because there is no discrimination protection for people with current criminal convictions in Victoria.

It's going to effect him for the next decade, until it becomes a spent conviction.

Also as these summary offences carry mandatory sentences (loss of licence), it makes you ineligible for the diversion program - where you make a donation and avoid the criminal justice system (and resulting criminal convictions).

One of our senators (Ralph Babet) got a diversion for an assault, where he beat someone, if he got done for 25km/h over the speed limit, he wouldn't have been eligible for the diversion program and would be a convicted criminal.

Prior to this legislation change in 2021 with the spent convictions act - this is the kind of effect criminal convictions have on your prospects:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-...ports/11447036

Someone who took two planks of wood 40 years ago was still having issues with discrimination.

There was people with historic convictions for things like being gay which was effecting them on employment prospects, it was only in 2015 in Victoria that they got specific legislation to remove these historic criminal convictions, and even then they had to specifically apply to get rid of them - imagine having criminal conviction because of your sexual orientation.

People don't realise how serious we treat driving offences in Victoria, for things you wouldn't think much of, get done for rolling off the throttle into a 60 roadworks zone at around 100km/h and you're joining the ranks of people with criminal convictions.

Hell, go remap a modern truck to turn off the DPF regeneration and Adblue
duty cycle, look at how they're treated:

You also have a primary duty to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, the safety your transport activities relating to the vehicle – this extends to engine remapping.

The NHVR and state or territory police services investigate companies suspected of engine remapping. Operators, executive officers and companies can receive penalties for these serious criminal offences including up to $340,000 or up to five years imprisonment for an individual and up to $3.4 million dollars in fines for a company with a category 1 breach.

https://www.nhvr.gov.au/engineremapping#owners

Don't go into a court room without legal representation - EVER.

[Tassie f100]

Probably 5-6 times,always going out of towns and getting knocked off for 10 or so ks over 60.But I was travelling about 45-50,000 kms per year.

[b0son]

4.

First was 15-20 over not long off my P's. Didn't argue it, I knew I was well over.

Next two were in Vic, one was 3kph via camera. This one annoyed my because moments later I was passed by a HWP car doing 160 who proceeded to clean up a car doing a U-turn while on the way to another crash.

The second Vic one was for 10kph over, hadnt seen a sign for ages but knew from driving that stretch in the other direction a few days earlier that it was 110kph. Unfortunately for me, it wasn't 110 on both sides of the road. Cop didn't care, and didn't have a problem telling him I thought his job was a waste of tax dollars.

Fourth was last year, long weekend, 15kph over going down the hill. When cop looked up my record, he couldn't see my Vic offences so told me I have a very good history and should plead to waive the fine. Surprisingly, it worked.

[X-AHH]

My company cars have been pinged a few times and for some strange reason the driver couldn't be identified so the fine was slightly higher but no loss of points. (SA)

[tranquilized]

Too many times to count in my 22 years of driving.

Hit the 12 demerit point threshold in or around 1998. Kept my license with the requirement of no fines in 12 months or loose it for 6. Copped a fine on month 11.

Again hit the 12 point mark in 2007. Kept my license with the same 12 month deal but left the country for 6 of them so wasn't an issue.

Hadn't been fined since, had a clean point free license for a year or two, and because of that got a verbal warning for one offence (120+ in a 110 zone!), then for another (50 through a 40 zone intersection in Melb) wrote and requested a warning due to my "clean license" and was granted that. But have since copped two fines in the last 6 months... They hide in the most unlikely places nowadays.

I don't speed any more.