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12-08-2006, 05:43 PM
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Steve
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Hey guys,
I run BP Ultimate and am interested in advancing the timing to get a bit more out of her. Could people who have done it give us an idea of how many more degrees you went and stuff. Cheers...
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12-08-2006, 06:37 PM
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Tha Stah
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In my EL, it was set to 4 degrees. I have since put it to *Roughly* 12 degrees. As I dont have a timing light, I cannot be sure heh. And it goes WAY better. Still gets around 600k's to a tank 50%local driving 50%highway, and has alot of traction issues accelerating from 40-60kmh on 225's good tread.
Edit: Note, the 1/4 mile time was done on the weakling 4 degree advance, I am looking at around mid 15's now.
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12-08-2006, 08:21 PM
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yeah i wouldn't mind knowing how to do this. don't you have to short 2 terminals out in the diagnostics to get your base timing, then go from there?
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13-08-2006, 03:43 PM
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Steve
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Interesting...I might have a look tonight at what mine is running at and make some guess adjustments.
Cheers. I'll let you know ebpete what i do
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14-08-2006, 10:47 PM
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Steve
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Just thought I'd let you know that I haven't done anything yet, and won't have much time coming up, so just hang tight...
I'll get you some results one day
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18-08-2006, 11:04 AM
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Steve
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Hey, i met up with ebmanul and he helped us and we put it forward about 10-12 degrees! It didn't even start pinging and it goes a bit better.
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18-08-2006, 02:52 PM
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btw Max these BOX cars can take a bit!!! also the dizzy verses the coil set up may allso have different effects on the amount of difference.
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18-08-2006, 12:01 PM
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Tha Stah
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To make the ECU learn the new timing (rather than just set back to stock) you must connect the first pin (Top left pin) and the one below it (Bottom left pin). make sure the wire stays connected on both. Then start her up - revs will start aroun normal 750rpm, but then will shoot up to 1,000rpm, then it will settle at around 500rpm (give it some time, and warm the car up before hand). Then you can adjust the dizzy (13mm socket, long extension bar, and a rachet). Once you set it where u want tighten up, turn off - take out pins, start up and drive aroun for about 50 kms to give it time to learn properly. then see how u like it... Adjust later as you wish with the steps above.
(Edit: The Pins you must join and behind the fuse cover, it should be a white unit with male pin connceters. Above the fuses) Supahstah
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18-08-2006, 12:32 PM
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mate i wouldnt advance it more then 3-4 degrees 12 sounds crazy overkill maybe thats just me... my old el i advanced it around 2-4 and it made a decent difference
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18-08-2006, 01:13 PM
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i had mine set to 18 degrees advanced.. it loved it, and never pinged...
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18-08-2006, 03:16 PM
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18-08-2006, 01:19 PM
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well Rollin "Advanced mine" but i don't think it did anything
is it anticlockwise for advancing? i tried connecting the pins yesterday 2 but nothing different happened when i started it |
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18-08-2006, 02:54 PM
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clockwise to advance
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18-08-2006, 03:41 PM
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mine was "advanced" with the understanding Anticlockwise was advancing it bwahahah great |
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18-08-2006, 07:06 PM
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are you sure? i'm thinking it's anticlockwise to advance. |
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18-08-2006, 07:17 PM
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10-07-2007, 01:40 AM
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if clockwise meaning, to the right of the pin on the block, then I thought it went alright when it was 4cms to the left of the pin (if facing to the rear of the car)... i don't think my dizzy will turn anymore to even get into line with the pin mounted on the block, any suggestions ? |
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10-07-2007, 01:44 AM
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MY v8 el ghia pings if i run unleaded it loves preminum not shore what the timings is set at but if i put unleaded in it i carnt rev it over 3 grand or it pings its head of...
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18-08-2006, 03:20 PM
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when i first put mine on a dyno, the guys checked the timing, and they came out, and asked if i had played with the timing... yea, and... its 18 degrees advanced, do you want it wound back... No thanks...
they put a knock sensor and it never pinged. same on a hot summers day, when under heaps of load... make sure you run 98+RON petrol.
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18-08-2006, 03:24 PM
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Steve
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Yeah, I was always running Ultimate since it came out and only now changed the timing! What do mean about the knock sensor?
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18-08-2006, 03:36 PM
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How do you go about advancing the timing in an EF? Is it possible?
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18-08-2006, 03:54 PM
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Go out and move it back son.... should be a good result lol.
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18-08-2006, 04:07 PM
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I just had the timing advanced in mine, it was a couple of degrees retarded, and let me tell you, it makes a difference.
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18-08-2006, 04:16 PM
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I tried on the w/e.......I don't have a long enough extension rod  out:
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18-08-2006, 07:07 PM
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18-08-2006, 09:05 PM
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And after checking i needed to retard my timing from 35 to 34.... counter clockwise is advancing the timing.. Sorry
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18-08-2006, 10:10 PM
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clockwise to advance in EA, D, and B. cant bee done in EF due to DFI.....
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18-08-2006, 10:32 PM
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Damn. I didn't think so. Ahwell.
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18-08-2006, 11:32 PM
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this is eb pete here.
the rotor spins clockwise so from my calculations to bring the spark on earlier you would need to turn the distributer anti-clockwise so the rotor hits the piont on the dizzy cap earlier. please explain if i'm wrong. |
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