HSV Turns up the heat (updated with official details)

[T3ts50]

Link to article posted on carsales.

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2009...the-heat-15660

Though, cant say how accurate it is as they seemed to have gathered all their info from twitter.

[Fairlane]

They are probably correct. HSV usually turn the wick up every 18months or so. Great if you want a new HSV, lousy if you want resale. Still is better than FPV sitting on their hands- Boss 290, anyone.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Fairlane

They are probably correct. HSV usually turn the wick up every 18months or so. Great if you want a new HSV, lousy if you want resale. Still is better than FPV sitting on their hands- Boss 290, anyone.

Would that be the BOSS 290 that demonstrated well over 320kw in both BA and BF?

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Fairlane

They are probably correct. HSV usually turn the wick up every 18months or so. Great if you want a new HSV, lousy if you want resale. Still is better than FPV sitting on their hands- Boss 290, anyone.

The 290 is in the XR8.... we've had 302 and 315 since then, the current 315 (AND 290/302 PREDECESSORS ) could wear a bigger badge number without changing a thing... much like the 317 to 327 "upgrade" it will be badge engineering....
People are too fixated with advertised peak numbers....

[Thankfull]

Originally Posted by Fairlane

They are probably correct. HSV usually turn the wick up every 18months or so. Great if you want a new HSV, lousy if you want resale. Still is better than FPV sitting on their hands- Boss 290, anyone.

Ford is never left sitting on its hands when it comes to performance....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiaO-...eature=related

enjoy...relise what a Joke HSV really is...

[dallasv8]

i cant really see holden releasing info like that this early,i mean,wouldnt that slow the sales down for the current line of commodes on the floor.

[Mr Hardware]

i predict supercar scare #2

[T3ts50]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

i predict supercar scare #2

Nah, through the eyes of the media, Holden can never do any wrong, if it was Ford on the other hand, could be a different story.

Though there is no mention of an increase in torque in the article.

[flappist]

To increase the peak power in most of this stuff is just as easy as lifting the redline a few hundred RPM.

If you really want to have an interesting look at "performance" engines compare the demonstrated power at a fixed point in the "real world" e.g. 5000rpm.
You may be surprised at which "perfromance" engines don't actually perform all that well......

[vztrt]

According to drive they will be trying to make it more economical.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=64036

HSV E-Series 2 update to focus on fuel economy, styling
Toby Hagon, drive.com.au, June 30, 2009

There will be a fraction more power for HSV’s updated 6.2-litre V8, but expect most of the engineering effort for the E-Series 2 to centre around increased fuel economy.

An updated HSV E-Series 2 is expected to focus more on fuel economy rather than increased power in a sign of the times for performance car manufacturers trying to improve their environmental footprint.

Improvements of around 5% or more to fuel economy are expected while power is expected to increase by a maximum of 2.5%.

The new HSV E-Series 2, due on sale in September, will use the same 6.2-litre V8 but is expected to consume up to one litre less fuel per 100km. That would reduce consumption to something under 14L/100km, which is still well about the 7.5L/100km-odd for small cars and 10L/100km-odd for six-cylinder large cars.

Peak power for the new HSV E-Series 2 is expected to jump slightly from 317kW in today’s car to either 320kW or 325kW. It is not expected to continue the move to have the number 7 on the end, as with the 307kW E-Series original or the 317kW update that brought the current car’s 6.2-litre V8.

Dalers have been told to expect a power output of "320-something".

To coincide with the arrival of the new Holden Commodore VF – the September update for the VE Commodore - the new E-Series 2 will also get styling changes designed to freshen the look of the Commodore-based performance cars.

Holden is also looking at other fuel saving measures for the future, including the possibility of a return to the four-cylinder Commodore.

HSV is said to be working harder to differentiate the cars from the Commodores they’re based on following the success of the current model.

The E-Series has been the best selling HSV in the company’s 21-year history.

HSV set a record for sales in 2007 followed by a second best year in 2008.

[steve.zissou]

am i reading that right?

"To coincide with the arrival of the new Holden Commodore VF – the September update for the VE Commodore - the new E-Series 2 will also get styling changes designed to freshen the look of the Commodore-based performance cars."

Not sure if this is usually the case but are they saying the HSV's will still be VE's while the rest of the range move to VF's?

Like FPV keeping the BFII wile the xr6T is FG - I know which one I would take.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by jrckelley

am i reading that right?

"To coincide with the arrival of the new Holden Commodore VF – the September update for the VE Commodore - the new E-Series 2 will also get styling changes designed to freshen the look of the Commodore-based performance cars."

Not sure if this is usually the case but are they saying the HSV's will still be VE's while the rest of the range move to VF's?

Like FPV keeping the BFII wile the xr6T is FG - I know which one I would take.

Sounds like that may be the case. Although I read on LS1.com that it is only an update now and VF would be out next year.
Maybe Holden arent gong to release a VF and just keep the Commodore VE.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

Sounds like that may be the case. Although I read on LS1.com that it is only an update now and VF would be out next year.
Maybe Holden arent gong to release a VF and just keep the Commodore VE.

Aren't they going to the MY nomenclature?? I also think the Falcon is going to go the same way.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Aren't they going to the MY nomenclature?? I also think the Falcon is going to go the same way.

Yeah they are doing that but I would think they would have to release a new model eventually.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

Yeah they are doing that but I would think they would have to release a new model eventually.

Well yeah they would but instead of calling it a VF Commo it would just be a MY10 Commo.

[greenfoam]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Aren't they going to the MY nomenclature?? I also think the Falcon is going to go the same way.

Just for interest, internally Holden have been using MY for a long time, at least since 1995, I had a factory upgraded tune for a VS here marked MY95 not long ago

[seXCmont]

they dont really need to do a whole heap of changes on a car to release a new model. how many falcons and commodores had only subtle changes? and there you have it a new model

[Fireblade]

the VE was released in 06 would of thought they had updates already, maybe trying to string out the 2 (VE-VF) models before an all new face lift.

[imugli]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

the VE was released in 06 would of thought they had updates already, maybe trying to string out the 2 (VE-VF) models before an all new face lift.

Maybe waiting for stock levels to reduce to reasonable levels?

[XR6_661]

How can twitter be used as a credible source of information?

Albeit...who cares if bloody HSv have 327kw, I like Fords better!

[R-Design]

It should be enough for HSV's range to secure bragging rights over the GT for the next 12 months.

That is unless the "6th Anniversary" model that FPV is planning is more than just another sticker pack (with planned build numbers of only 40 utes & 40 sedans it's doubtful), or we get Coyote before the Euro IV deadline.

[ea90gl]

So i take it if they pump out 327KW all next gen GT's will be 325KW no seriously from whats been said coyote should have GT's above HSV offering for once. Heck if FPV put some better rubber on the rear of the F6 that would be enough, doesnt even need a power increase

[flappist]

Originally Posted by ea90gl

So i take it if they pump out 327KW all next gen GT's will be 325KW no seriously from whats been said coyote should have GT's above HSV offering for once. Heck if FPV put some better rubber on the rear of the F6 that would be enough, doesnt even need a power increase

I disagree completely.

Badge zealots make up a very small section of the market.

For have consistantly offered products that demonstrate more power than the badge, "option H" are often the reverse.

While ever Ford badges are less than "option H" badges the screaming wowsers have nowhere to go.

Recent history;
F6 released and quoted as "greatest torque ever offered", media screams and rants.
W427 released and quoted as most powerful car in Aus history, media coos and burbles like a baby.

Previous history;

The supercar scare that stuffed everthing was not about the Torana GTR XU2 nor the Charger E55, it was the Phase IV GTHO that was the antichrist and Ford were the axis of evil.

"option H" had to release a $150k limited edition to outpace a $70k F6 and it does not take much at all to enhance an F6 to even the odds if that is where you want to play.

"option H" and FPV have very different market sectors which become very obvious quite quickly during conversations with various owners.

[Bossxr8]

The LS3 makes 325 kw in the Corvette, the 317 kw HSV was just slightly detuned. It wouldn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out they would eventually just bring it back up to its original 325 with the next model.

Luckily FPV have said they will stop playing these little couple of kilowatts here and there game and will just move the game forward even further with the blown V8.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The LS3 makes 325 kw in the Corvette, the 317 kw HSV was just slightly detuned. It wouldn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out they would eventually just bring it back up to its original 325 with the next model.

Luckily FPV have said they will stop playing these little couple of kilowatts here and there game and will just move the game forward even further with the blown V8.

Yep, a nice 350kw and 650-700nm of torque from a S/C V8 would do the job nicely. HP sells cars but torque wins races ;)

[DABOSS]

Or just take some weight out , design the current range on offer with better handling even with less power it would be a better package.

* Less weight.
* Better Suspension.

If FPV start getting into the power war with HSV it isnt going to be long beofre the gov step in and say thats it power is capped at x amount.

[GT69]

Originally Posted by DABOSS

Or just take some weight out , design the current range on offer with better handling even with less power it would be a better package.

* Less weight.
* Better Suspension.

If FPV start getting into the power war with HSV it isnt going to be long beofre the gov step in and say thats it power is capped at x amount.

I hope they do, actually i hope they just come out with an absolute monster....then if the government steps in, they can just 'badge' it to a more suitable power figure.

[mcnews]

Lighter is the way to go for sure. An FPV or HSV 200kg lighter would be a much better car than one with 50kw more if the weight stays the same or they continue to put on so much excess lard.

[R-Design]

Originally Posted by DABOSS

If FPV start getting into the power war with HSV it isnt going to be long beofre the gov step in and say thats it power is capped at x amount.

Doubt it, would they also ban the M5 (373kw) or RS6 (426kw) among others. Go hard, or go home I say.

[Thankfull]

Who would want to buy a Holden anyway.....common as dirt

HSV....there is nothing special about owning a Commondore, no matter how you badge it....when it came to the crunch in the early 70s, At the Race track Holden backed off in V8 form altogether....nuff said.

Cheers alls