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23-01-2008, 09:52 PM | #1 | ||
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"Oh what a Rollover! Toyota"
Well, the biggest news shouldn't be who won, but the fact that a car portrayed/advertised to death (pardoning the potential pun) as a 7 seat family vehicle has disasterous handling and rolled. Considering the exceptional handling of the Territory it's time Ford fought back. I sent Ford the following email and suggest you forward them something too. "Oh what a rollover!" Here is your chance Ford to "Get some nuts!" as Mr T would say. Kluger became the first vehicle to roll during Wheels COTY in 45yrs. It's already 2nd in the sales race to the Territory, a market Terri created. Don't let them encroach further. Use a Toyota Rollover fear, Territory glowing praise campaign. Use Wheels quotes 4 both arguments. Wheels suggested Toyota urgently update their stability control on not just this model, but all Toyotas as the "cars ESP performance was substandard." Toyota impressively outsold you and Holden combined last year. I say, kick them in the pants. Return fire and have a proper war instead of the one sided onslaught. .............. I also sent Today Tonight and A Current Affair a similar email, but focused on the safety repercussions of the markets dominant player having such handling deficient vehicles (as they have for years). I mean, if you are going to start something why not go to commercial sensationalists?! I would also encourage you to do the same.
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23-01-2008, 09:57 PM | #2 | ||
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I love it when objective testing proves me right. Toyota - an unsafe car manufacturer.
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24-01-2008, 02:09 PM | #3 | |||
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And I wouldn't be too hard to Toyota either -yet. ACP mags have demonstrated in the past that they're not any further beyond playing fast and loose with the facts than the car companies, and spin works both ways when it comes to issues that touch on OHS liabilities and corporate insurance coverage. Until Toyota refuse to release the telemetry of the accident for independent review (something I'm sure they're threatening in private should any ACP arm try to make hay out of this incident), their claim that the computer shows a far different story to what Wheels states happened shouldn't be blithely chalked up to spin-doctoring. Also, no rival car company could put out an ad saying the Kluger is unsafe based on this incident because Toyota would immediately sue and if they have telemetry that backs their version would win hands down.
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24-01-2008, 05:46 PM | #4 | |||
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25-01-2008, 12:05 AM | #5 | |||
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The only thing that proves is they're idiots with a death wish to start with. A Hiace is not designed to do ANY of those things, and it STILL isn't objective, scientific or repeatable...
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25-01-2008, 02:21 AM | #6 | |||
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25-01-2008, 12:35 PM | #7 | |||
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25-01-2008, 12:59 PM | #8 | |||
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got any sources for this? any proof?
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25-01-2008, 01:01 PM | #9 | |||
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25-01-2008, 01:19 PM | #10 | |||
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21-02-2008, 11:57 PM | #11 | |||
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25-01-2008, 01:18 PM | #12 | |||
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180kph seems excessive. Was this the speed the test was done at, or did the Kluger get special treatment?
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25-01-2008, 07:09 PM | #13 | |||
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26-01-2008, 11:00 AM | #14 | |||
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26-01-2008, 11:15 AM | #15 | ||
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The pro toyota camp has gone quiet :
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27-01-2008, 09:44 PM | #16 | |||
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03-02-2008, 12:00 AM | #17 | |||
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Maybe they either did some very good photoshopping or they set the car up for the photo |
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03-02-2008, 08:26 AM | #18 | |||
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26-01-2008, 03:59 PM | #19 | |||
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Well thats just silly speak... |
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27-01-2008, 01:38 AM | #20 | |||
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I wonder what 'smart speak,' is then....
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27-01-2008, 03:42 AM | #21 | |||
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Well if toyota are getting around 4 stars (from what ive researched) then they arnt really paper cup cars are they... ...the way you assume things means that because the Ford Explorer rolled over, that the falcon is all of a sudden a unsafe car. : If toyotas car's were unsafe you'ld hear allabout in the papers. Oh and a magazine scribe has manged to roll a X5, are all BMW's unsafe? As JR said "No, the pro common sense camp has gone quiet. We get tired of trying to talk reason to idiots after a while..." Oh, and when you look at the photos it seems like the cars as came off the grass and clipped the ashpalt, enough to roll any car... |
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27-01-2008, 05:15 AM | #22 | |||
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Call me crazy, but it looks quite a bit like the driver's head there went out the window and made contact with the pillar on its return backward. Nice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwESb...eature=related Seems to happen with this one too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdCn8...eature=related Blantant head-out-the-window-pillar-smack here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JIFm...eature=related Very nice and safe looking (/sarcasm) - and there are alot of these things on the roads too! And now for cars where the driver's head doesn't seem to exit the window of the vehicle and bounce of the pillar... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBgCuccFink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ievR2...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcussHKSpaw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPO-K...eature=related I really like the ability of some of these cars to keep passenger's heads inside the open window in a frontal impact. Its kind've important... After watching quite a few vids on there, it seems that modern day, 2007/08 Toyotas perform in these tests like European cars from 1997/98. 10 years behind? Seems to be the norm.
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23-01-2008, 09:59 PM | #23 | ||
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Already in the Territory forums. Feel free to join us down there.
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?p=1948604
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23-01-2008, 10:11 PM | #24 | ||
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The amazing thing is not Toyota's rollover it is it's Toyota's spin capabilty. By this I mean spin a yarn.
They already portray themselves as the eco friendly lot whist pumping out many time more Klugers, Prado's and Land Cruisers etc. all which suck fuel like jumbo jets. Be sure the spin doctors will have traced this to a fault in a sensor by next issue.
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23-01-2008, 10:21 PM | #25 | |||
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23-01-2008, 10:22 PM | #26 | |||
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23-01-2008, 11:39 PM | #27 | ||
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Whilst it's great to know the Terror-torry can handle like a car, you can bet Wheels through the Kluger around on a racetrack. Who bails the family up into the car for a race? Clearly that's not what the Kluger is meant to do. You could roll anything, and it is wrong to rely on a computer to prevent it.
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24-01-2008, 12:03 AM | #28 | |||
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Epic fail by Toyota.
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24-01-2008, 09:24 AM | #29 | |||
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