Toyota Kluger - Rolls during Wheels COTY

phillyc · 23-01-2008, 09:52 PM

"Oh what a Rollover! Toyota"

Well, the biggest news shouldn't be who won, but the fact that a car portrayed/advertised to death (pardoning the potential pun) as a 7 seat family vehicle has disasterous handling and rolled.

Considering the exceptional handling of the Territory it's time Ford fought back.

I sent Ford the following email and suggest you forward them something too.

"Oh what a rollover!"

Here is your chance Ford to "Get some nuts!" as Mr T would say.

Kluger became the first vehicle to roll during Wheels COTY in 45yrs.

It's already 2nd in the sales race to the Territory, a market Terri created. Don't let them encroach further. Use a Toyota Rollover fear, Territory glowing praise campaign. Use Wheels quotes 4 both arguments.

Wheels suggested Toyota urgently update their stability control on not just this model, but all Toyotas as the "cars ESP performance was substandard."

Toyota impressively outsold you and Holden combined last year.

I say, kick them in the pants. Return fire and have a proper war instead of the one sided onslaught.

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I also sent Today Tonight and A Current Affair a similar email, but focused on the safety repercussions of the markets dominant player having such handling deficient vehicles (as they have for years).

I mean, if you are going to start something why not go to commercial sensationalists?!

I would also encourage you to do the same.

Steffo · 23-01-2008, 09:57 PM

I love it when objective testing proves me right. Toyota - an unsafe car manufacturer.

JR. · 24-01-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

I love it when objective testing proves me right. Toyota - an unsafe car manufacturer.

I'm sorry, but you're completely off your rocker if you think Wheels testing is objective in any way. Nor is it scientific, or performed under repeatable circumstances, or done using drivers with any special qualifications beyond what the public could get if they too drove a car for a living or did the occasion advanced driver course.

And I wouldn't be too hard to Toyota either -yet. ACP mags have demonstrated in the past that they're not any further beyond playing fast and loose with the facts than the car companies, and spin works both ways when it comes to issues that touch on OHS liabilities and corporate insurance coverage.

Until Toyota refuse to release the telemetry of the accident for independent review (something I'm sure they're threatening in private should any ACP arm try to make hay out of this incident), their claim that the computer shows a far different story to what Wheels states happened shouldn't be blithely chalked up to spin-doctoring.

Also, no rival car company could put out an ad saying the Kluger is unsafe based on this incident because Toyota would immediately sue and if they have telemetry that backs their version would win hands down.

Steffo · 24-01-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JR.

I'm sorry, but you're completely off your rocker if you think Wheels testing is objective in any way. Nor is it scientific, or performed under repeatable circumstances, or done using drivers with any special qualifications beyond what the public could get if they too drove a car for a living or did the occasion advanced driver course.

They've put the Toyota Hiace 6.0 LWB work van around a skid pad, slalom and race-track and it didn't roll-over. Hrm?

JR. · 25-01-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

They've put the Toyota Hiace 6.0 LWB work van around a skid pad, slalom and race-track and it didn't roll-over. Hrm?

The only thing that proves is they're idiots with a death wish to start with. A Hiace is not designed to do ANY of those things, and it STILL isn't objective, scientific or repeatable...

Werd. · 25-01-2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JR.

The only thing that proves is they're idiots with a death wish to start with. A Hiace is not designed to do ANY of those things, and it STILL isn't objective, scientific or repeatable...

And the work van pulled it off. Your point?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aZF8N9NItHI

BJ · 25-01-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

I love it when objective testing proves me right. Toyota - an unsafe car manufacturer.

And one thing they failed to ad to the article was that the knob was going 180kph yes that's right 180kph on a dirt road and then decided to do a right hand turn on the dirt and the end result was his spectacular roll over. What would the Territory have done in the same situation???

Now that to me tells me this bloke is a bloody fool.

drew`SEVNT5 · 25-01-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BJ

And one thing they failed to ad to the article was that the knob was going 180kph yes that's right 180kph on a dirt road and then decided to do a right hand turn on the dirt and the end result was his spectacular roll over. What would the Territory have done in the same situation???

Now that to me tells me this bloke is a bloody fool.

got any sources for this? any proof?

BJ · 25-01-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by drew`SEVNT5

got any sources for this? any proof?

Yes i have. PM me.

ClevlndStemer · 25-01-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BJ

Yes i have. PM me.

Why can't you post it for everyone to see???

GRNKPR · 21-02-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by drew`SEVNT5

got any sources for this? any proof?

how did we go we are all waiting

irlewy86 · 25-01-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BJ

And one thing they failed to ad to the article was that the knob was going 180kph yes that's right 180kph on a dirt road and then decided to do a right hand turn on the dirt and the end result was his spectacular roll over. What would the Territory have done in the same situation???

Now that to me tells me this bloke is a bloody fool.

180kph seems excessive. Was this the speed the test was done at, or did the Kluger get special treatment?

XR Martin · 25-01-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BJ

And one thing they failed to ad to the article was that the knob was going 180kph yes that's right 180kph on a dirt road and then decided to do a right hand turn on the dirt and the end result was his spectacular roll over. What would the Territory have done in the same situation???

Now that to me tells me this bloke is a bloody fool.

Sorry mate, that aint a 180kmh crash

Bossxr8 · 26-01-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Sorry mate, that aint a 180kmh crash

Exactly, whoever reckons that was at 180kph is delusional, or works for Toyota. A 180 kph crash would have had that Kluger barrel rolling 10 times, not just tipping onto its side and sliding for 50 metres.

irlewy86 · 26-01-2008, 11:15 AM

The pro toyota camp has gone quiet

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**GasoLane** · 27-01-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Exactly, whoever reckons that was at 180kph is delusional, or works for Toyota. A 180 kph crash would have had that Kluger barrel rolling 10 times, not just tipping onto its side and sliding for 50 metres.

This is where the ESP comes in. It keeps the vehicle on it's side, the side mirrors dig in thereby slowing it down and preventing mutiple rollovers.

rodderz · 03-02-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BJ

And one thing they failed to ad to the article was that the knob was going 180kph yes that's right 180kph on a dirt road and then decided to do a right hand turn on the dirt and the end result was his spectacular roll over. What would the Territory have done in the same situation???

Now that to me tells me this bloke is a bloody fool.

From the pic in the magazine it looks as though he was driving on tarmac, then grass, then turned left to roll, at a lot less than 180km/hr

Maybe they either did some very good photoshopping or they set the car up for the photo

new2ford · 03-02-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

From the pic in the magazine it looks as though he was driving on tarmac, then grass, then turned left to roll, at a lot less than 180km/hr

Maybe they either did some very good photoshopping or they set the car up for the photo

100kph. Read my post #97.

Nikked · 26-01-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

I love it when objective testing proves me right. Toyota - an unsafe car manufacturer.

Well thats just silly speak...

Steffo · 27-01-2008, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Well thats just silly speak...

What, calling a company who makes a fleet of microwave's on wheels with the structural integrity of a paper cup is 'silly speak?'

I wonder what 'smart speak,' is then....

Nikked · 27-01-2008, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

What, calling a company who makes a fleet of microwave's on wheels with the structural integrity of a paper cup is 'silly speak?'

I wonder what 'smart speak,' is then....

Well if toyota are getting around 4 stars (from what ive researched) then they arnt really paper cup cars are they...

...the way you assume things means that because the Ford Explorer rolled over, that the falcon is all of a sudden a unsafe car.

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If toyotas car's were unsafe you'ld hear allabout in the papers. Oh and a magazine scribe has manged to roll a X5, are all BMW's unsafe?

As JR said

"No, the pro common sense camp has gone quiet. We get tired of trying to talk reason to idiots after a while..."

Oh, and when you look at the photos it seems like the cars as came off the grass and clipped the ashpalt, enough to roll any car...

Steffo · 27-01-2008, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Well if toyota are getting around 4 stars (from what ive researched) then they arnt really paper cup cars are they...

...the way you assume things means that because the Ford Explorer rolled over, that the falcon is all of a sudden a unsafe car.

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If toyotas car's were unsafe you'ld hear allabout in the papers. Oh and a magazine scribe has manged to roll a X5, are all BMW's unsafe?

As JR said

"No, the pro common sense camp has gone quiet. We get tired of trying to talk reason to idiots after a while..."

Oh, and when you look at the photos it seems like the cars as came off the grass and clipped the ashpalt, enough to roll any car...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAaGWcw8Xg0

Call me crazy, but it looks quite a bit like the driver's head there went out the window and made contact with the pillar on its return backward. Nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwESb...eature=related

Seems to happen with this one too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdCn8...eature=related

Blantant head-out-the-window-pillar-smack here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JIFm...eature=related

Very nice and safe looking (/sarcasm) - and there are alot of these things on the roads too!

And now for cars where the driver's head doesn't seem to exit the window of the vehicle and bounce of the pillar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBgCuccFink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ievR2...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcussHKSpaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPO-K...eature=related

I really like the ability of some of these cars to keep passenger's heads inside the open window in a frontal impact. Its kind've important...

After watching quite a few vids on there, it seems that modern day, 2007/08 Toyotas perform in these tests like European cars from 1997/98. 10 years behind? Seems to be the norm.

Paxton · 23-01-2008, 09:59 PM

Already in the Territory forums. Feel free to join us down there.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?p=1948604

**Elks** · 23-01-2008, 10:11 PM

The amazing thing is not Toyota's rollover it is it's Toyota's spin capabilty. By this I mean spin a yarn.

They already portray themselves as the eco friendly lot whist pumping out many time more Klugers, Prado's and Land Cruisers etc. all which suck fuel like jumbo jets.

Be sure the spin doctors will have traced this to a fault in a sensor by next issue.

Kryton · 23-01-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by myts

Klugers, Prado's and Land Cruisers etc. all which suck fuel like jumbo jets.

bothered to even research what the Landcruiser has in the way of an engine and fuel consumption lately........didnt think so.

any dweeb can roll any car.
it doesnt prove anything.

Steffo · 23-01-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

bothered to even research what the Landcruiser has in the way of an engine and fuel consumption lately........didnt think so.

any dweeb can roll any car.
it doesnt prove anything.

I know the old 100-Series likes a drink! A very big drink at that! Even in Diesel form.

andrewts · 23-01-2008, 11:39 PM

Whilst it's great to know the Terror-torry can handle like a car, you can bet Wheels through the Kluger around on a racetrack. Who bails the family up into the car for a race? Clearly that's not what the Kluger is meant to do. You could roll anything, and it is wrong to rely on a computer to prevent it.

Steffo · 24-01-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewts

Whilst it's great to know the Terror-torry can handle like a car, you can bet Wheels through the Kluger around on a racetrack. Who bails the family up into the car for a race? Clearly that's not what the Kluger is meant to do. You could roll anything, and it is wrong to rely on a computer to prevent it.

They didn't roll the Landcruiser 85 or 100-Series, didn't roll the Prado, they even took a Hiace van around a slalom, skidpan and racetrack and didn't roll it... but they roll the Kluger?

Epic fail by Toyota.

Homer1 · 24-01-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

They didn't roll the Landcruiser 85 or 100-Series, didn't roll the Prado, they even took a Hiace van around a slalom, skidpan and racetrack and didn't roll it... but they roll the Kluger?

Epic fail by Toyota.

You talk as if they are the only company to have a faulty design in one of thier cars (Ford Explorer anyone??). With the size of thier range, there is bound to be one model with a failure or two. I doubt many Kluger buyer would drive like the Wheels test team did anyways, but the problem should still be addressed.

Steffo · 24-01-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Homer1

You talk as if they are the only company to have a faulty design in one of thier cars (Ford Explorer anyone??). With the size of thier range, there is bound to be one model with a failure or two. I doubt many Kluger buyer would drive like the Wheels test team did anyways, but the problem should still be addressed.

No, they're not the only company. However they're one of the only ones where people overlook faulty designs or won't admit that they have one in the first place.