$10 for a can of JD

[Nikked]

Its offical, the government has reamed consumers.

I may as well go to a park and get blind on goon bag.

It like the government doesn't have asolution to teenage binge drinking (which, apparently isn't as bad as what we are led to beleive) so they just do a money grap. Im very annyoed at this,i tolerated $8.50, but this is downright stupid.

I think the government should have atleast made the tax hike on takeaway sales instead of barsales, because i dont see any teenagers bingiing at the pup :

[King Nothing]

Stop whinging and drink beer! :

Seriously though, its a massive hike. I feel sorry for my mates who don't drink beer.

[4Vman]

Beer and wine are next...

It will be intereting to see where these extra funds get spent..

[Thornie]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Beer and wine are next...

It will be intereting to see where these extra funds get spent..

there was talk on the radio about this the other day, somthing about a 400% increase in the tax on beer and wine.

[Paxton]

If beer goes up, then I'm going to start Home Brewing again. I've got the equipment and bottles from when I was younger.

I remember paying $2 for a Schooner (in NSW).

[Yellow_Festiva]

Mate, thats what I spent for a WHOLE NIGHT on the pi$$ in Vietnam...



2,000.00 VND = 0.132461 AUD

Yes... beer for 13 cents a glass : :the_finge

[trick_xd]

Beer is the next to be taxed and it will be in the next 8 mths

its the RTD's that are taxed more as I used to pay

carlton stubby = luc 1.87 sell 3.00
jim beam stubby = luc 3.32 sell 7.00
these have all ready gone up and will be again , I will have to up the cost of my stuff by about 50c to still make money

Pot of bear =luc 0.58 sell 2.85
this will go up and expect to pay from 3.40 - 4.00 just for a pot

[Windsor220]

Stupid government.

6 pack of Beam cans ended up being $25 the other day which means a carton will be about $100.

I remember paying $12 for a Jacks last night.....

Cant stand beer when having a big night

[sgt_doofey]

Luckily I get my wine for free from the wife's work. I guess her allowance won't go as far as it used to once that put the tax up on wine and beer.
I'll probably start home brewing again with beer going up. Mind you, I wonder how long it will take the government to up the tax on home brew gear once all the teenagers start "binge drinking" on home brew?

[DDXR6T]

Originally Posted by sgt_doofey

Luckily I get my wine for free from the wife's work. I guess her allowance won't go as far as it used to once that put the tax up on wine and beer.
I'll probably start home brewing again with beer going up. Mind you, I wonder how long it will take the government to up the tax on home brew gear once all the teenagers start "binge drinking" on home brew?

All home brew equipment will have to be registered with volumes strictly measured and you will be charged tax on top of it. A registered technician must carry out a weekly inspection of you're brewing gear and you're licencing. Any beers drank must be recorded in a log book. Example Below -

Saturday, 14th Feb 2009 -
Felt like a beer, got pretzels out of cupboard for alcohol absorbsion assistance. Poured exactly 378.2ml of beer into my favourite 'World best golfer' beer mug. Sat infront of television watching collingwood vs adelaide on the TV, Mcleod should retire. Consumed beer @ exactly 1.34pm. Scratched nuts at approx 1.49pm followed by a bellowing fart (possible follow through). Still thirsty due to pretzels. Poured 392ml of beer into beer glass and had consumed it by 2.09pm (was slightly warm). This homebrew tastes like metal shavings.

If you produce more than 10 litres of home brew per week or 300L per annumm, you must have you're licence reviewed. You licence test involves 8 first aid safety courses, 3 safe brewing courses, 2 I.D checking courses and a 'how to pour beer' course.

Any defective equipment will be defected by the licence technician, and must be re-registered once in a satisfactory condition. If any underagers are caught binge drinking on you're home brew (Binge drinking - 3 sip's per minute or more) even by accident or without you're knowledge - Go straight to jail, Do not pass go. Big bubba will be more than accommodating.

[DDXR6T]

I personally think the whole binge drinking thing is being blown out of proportion by the government in a bid to increase taxes on alcohol. We have 'apparently' had it far to easy and cheap to buy alcohol according to a non-drinking mate of mine.

Why penalise everyone under the same taxes when 95% of the population would not be binge drinking?

I'm a beer drinker, love nothing more than 1-2 beers after work to unwind, so it wont hit me too hard (yet), but still like a can of CC and dry or JD here and there, and unfortunately - won't be the case anymore when im having to pay $25+ a six pack or $10 a can in a pub/club.

[sgt_doofey]

Originally Posted by Dan635

We have 'apparently' had it far to easy and cheap to buy alcohol according to a non-drinking mate of mine.

I think your mate is a bit mis-informed. Alcohol is a lot cheaper elsewhere in the world. I was spewing that due to the new laws on airlines that I couldn't bring home a 1L bottle of Johnnie Blue for US$169 from San Francisco.

[67XRT]

Why penalise everyone under the same taxes when 95% of the population would not be binge drinking?

I'm a beer drinker, love nothing more than 1-2 beers after work to unwind, so it wont hit me too hard (yet), but still like a can of CC and dry or JD here and there, and unfortunately - won't be the case anymore when im having to pay $25+ a six pack or $10 a can in a pub/club.[/QUOTE]

Try living in the NT, initialy provided licence for any purchase of alcohol in excess of $100, (or fortified spirits/wine), complete form stating where alcohol is to be consumed. and sign as having acknowledged conditions that it not be taken to specific areas. Transport from Bottle shop to stated address and consume (you can technically be done for deviating from the stated address). Now they are talking about you providing drivers licence for every purchase of alcohol regardless of quantity or type, restrictions on quantity, greater restrictions on trading hours and god knows what else they come up with.

Know I know the reasoning behind the restrictions. But come on, I am a rsponsible drinker, I dont get smashed and fall asleep in the main street of town, wander out in front of cars, beat the missus up in the aisle at woolworths, defecate in the street or a shop. Why is it that the majority of law abiding citizens suffer for the benefit of a minority. Yes some people for what ever reason have a problem with alcohol so be it.

How about a licence to purchase alcohol, you can get banned from a pub for innapropriate behaviour, tap off. You can lose the right to drive your car for disobeying the law of the land, lose licence. So why not provide a document to state you are a fit individual capable of the correct use of said consumable. Stuff up and that privalage (not right) is removed.

If I have problem with alcohol, disturb the peace, commit a crime, be it minor or criminal, assault another human being, the route cause is still available for me to legally purchase and repeat the action. "I dont know what happened must have been the Grog!"

Now thousands of people are effected for the benefit of the few....... Governments need to take a long hard look and address the real issue that there are individuals who are not capable of conducting themselves in society in a normal way and require restrictions be placed upon them until such time as they can prove otherwise. Do not tar me with the same brush, rant over

[Gabbs]

All thats going to happen is now they will move onto bottles and mix it themselves now which will be worse cause the mix isn't going to be consistent.

[pauljh74]

Originally Posted by gabbs19

All thats going to happen is now they will move onto bottles and mix it themselves now which will be worse cause the mix isn't going to be consistent.

Bingo! ^^

The mix will be stronger - and as they get more intoxicated the mix will be clouded more - with more alcohol that is. They'll have half a dozen drinks, but half the bottle of spirits will be gone too.

[xe351]

hopefully it does help the binge drinking thing. Maybe they will put the extra money they get into reducing the petrol taxes! lol i know, stop dreaming

[Orbit]

back in my day....no boday bothered with premixed drinks....people who wanted to get smashed bought a bottle of rum...$60 for 2, a 2 liter bottle of pepsi...1.90 drank or emptied 800mls out of the pepsi then toped with rum...how likely is it that teenagers would pay 60+ a slab when they can get shitfaced for alot less....

[DDXR6T]

Originally Posted by Orbit

back in my day....no boday bothered with premixed drinks....people who wanted to get smashed bought a bottle of rum...$60 for 2, a 2 liter bottle of pepsi...1.90 drank or emptied 800mls out of the pepsi then toped with rum...how likely is it that teenagers would pay 60+ a slab when they can get shitfaced for alot less....

The problem is all the metrosexuals, and the ditzy young bimbo's. Cruisers, baacardi breezers, smirnoff vodka premixes ... a hell of alot easier than the method you prescribed.

[Orbit]

So is it young girls where most of the problems lie?

Originally Posted by Dan635

The problem is all the metrosexuals, and the ditzy young bimbo's. Cruisers, baacardi breezers, smirnoff vodka premixes ... a hell of alot easier than the method you prescribed.

[schnoods]

Originally Posted by Orbit

So is it young girls where most of the problems lie?

In the study they did, yes they found young women to be more likely to binge drink.

[DDXR6T]

Originally Posted by Orbit

So is it young girls where most of the problems lie?

Yes, multiple recent studies and surveys clearly show females 18-25 are the biggest binge drinking group.

[schnoods]

I dunno, I paid 10 bux for a crownie in a club before, good thing I wasnt buying a round.

Binge drinkers are usually under 20 years of age, over 18 they generallly are thinning out. Still get occasional heavy drinkers but not many bingers.

I remember hitting the turps at parties when I was 15-17 and sure as hell no one rocked up with a carton of jim beam and cola. Most of the "binge drinkers" there were drinking PassionPop (2 bottles for $10), cask wine, or a bottle of spirits of some sort, maily the cheaper ones around the 20-25 dollar mark (old crow, real mccoy, Vat 69, grants etc...).

Its also funny, In the NT when they were to reform alcohol sales to prevent drunk itinerants (indigenous) they stopped alot of the cask wine and port sales in certain bottle shops that were hotspots, yet they targer binge drinking by taxing 80 a carton stuff a few bucks more, not that many people would by it in the first place.

If they were serious about this, they wouldnt just tax it out of reach, they would actually make steps in the right direction too. Raising the drinking age will do nothing, better education and perhaps limiting the quantities they can be bought in.

[XlR8TED]

It's not to stop teen binge drinkers, it's just to raise revenue.

Speaking in economic terms, alcohol tends to be an inelastic good. That is, for any given price increase, the change in demand for it won't be too big. You'll still get lots of people buying it. Inelastic goods are great to tax (think petrol & ciggies for other examples).

Perhaps the problem they should be addressing is how under-age teenage binge drinkers get their booze? Stiffer penalties for grog shops selling to underage kids could be a good start.

Overall though, I think the real root of the problem is the aussie alcohol culture. Any public holiday is an excuse to get sh!t-faced. Celebrating? Better get drunk then too. The old saying of 'monkey see, monkey do' rings true. Even The Canberra Times had an editorial today saying that it would be 'unastrayan' to tax beer. That's pretty sad.

"How about a licence to purchase alcohol"

Do you really want the Government regulating how you can buy alcohol? More rules are rarely the best solution.

[67XRT]

Originally Posted by XRSex

"How about a licence to purchase alcohol"

Do you really want the Government regulating how you can buy alcohol? More rules are rarely the best solution.

They already have in the NT, and I would imagine its not far off in other states. It is an imbuggerance at the moment however, there are a group of Publicans that are putting together a class action WRT the regulations that are effecting there abilty to effect profitable trade and to which they have had no means of recourse / input to date. Again legislation that has a greater more wide reaching effect than that of the initial point of concern, Adult binge drinking, anti social behaviour.

Publicans are obliged to monitor and control the consumption of alcohol on their establishments already through legislation, now they have to restrict trading hours, minimise / regulate over the counter sales, restricitons on alcohol type, etc.

So yes i do want the government to regulate how alcohol is purchased however it should be responsible, fair and target the problem, not stuff around 98% of the population who obey the laws.

[myxr6]

I for one am sick of the government pandering to the minority.Why should I be penalised because the government wants to stop a group of deadheads getting drunk.

[JamesR]

well i quit drinking near on 3 years ago..
and it looks like im not start again any time soooooon.

[HLC]

kids will turn to drugs instead.

[04redxr8]

They know there are people who will still buy it. Look at cigarettes. The "its for your own good" is a lie meaning, we can't run a budget, have no idea or control over what our departments are doing financially, and so we are going to give you another tax.

At the rate were going, soon we'll be getting absolutely no infrastructure, will be paying for everything privately and getting taxed to the hilt on everything including the air we breathe.

[XR06T]

Originally Posted by myxr6

I for one am sick of the government pandering to the minority.Why should I be penalised because the government wants to stop a group of deadheads getting drunk.

here here

[NudgE^SIKBRO]

I personally think something needs to be done about the bindge drinking thing. Im a non drinker (ill have a few cans on my birthday and MAYBE new years) but i dont think taxing is the best way to go, I think that grog is alot like petrol, people want/need it they will get it. However I believe the problems need to be tackled in school much more than it is today. Children from year 7 should be tought in far more detail the problems associated with drinking, the real problems, street voilence, sexual offences to women and the general bodily harm caused by drinking. I remember when i was in school (only about 9 years ago) drinking was just as much of a problem as it is today but it wasent really discussed with us as students we were told simply its bad dont do it. I just spoke with my youngest cousin (year 11) and asked him what they have been taught. He told me that what they were told was exactly what i was told. Doesnt sound like a step in the right direction to me...

Cheers Dan