not wearing P plates loses your lisence??

EA Bogan · 12-11-2007, 04:20 PM

I just got done for not displaying P plates while on my P1 lisence (i had forgotten to put them on after i used them on another car) and the cop said it caries no demerit points. I go to pay the fine at the transport SA office and the clerk tells me my lisence has been cancelled and i will get a letter form them in about a month, up untill when i can still use my lisence. He said i can appeal to have my lisence extended, does anyone know what the procedure is for that? I CANNOT lose my lisence as i am a pizza delivery driver and it is my only job, i will be ruined, broke and most likely homeless if i lose my lisence. I simply cant believe such a minor offence makes you lose your Ps immediately when speeding 20 km/h over the limit does not. Can anyone help me out with some info on the matter?

||| · 12-11-2007, 04:27 PM

man that sucks about the homelessness. id get the authorities on the line pronto rather than ask the internet. get it straight from the horses mouth and maybe even mention that you have pizzas to deliver or something

4Vman · 12-11-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EA Bogan

I just got done for not displaying P plates while on my P1 lisence (i had forgotten to put them on after i used them on another car) and the cop said it caries no demerit points. I go to pay the fine at the transport SA office and the clerk tells me my lisence has been cancelled and i will get a letter form them in about a month, up untill when i can still use my lisence. He said i can appeal to have my lisence extended, does anyone know what the procedure is for that? I CANNOT lose my lisence as i am a pizza delivery driver and it is my only job, i will be ruined, broke and most likely homeless if i lose my lisence. I simply cant believe such a minor offence makes you lose your Ps immediately when speeding 20 km/h over the limit does not. Can anyone help me out with some info on the matter?

Why were you pulled over? were you (have you been) booked for anything else?

EA Bogan · 12-11-2007, 04:30 PM

i have no idea why i was pulled over, i was driving with the cruise controll on 60 km/h, they pulled me over just randomly. I have never been booked or even warned for anything else

Buddy 1 · 13-11-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EA Bogan

i have no idea why i was pulled over, i was driving with the cruise controll on 60 km/h, they pulled me over just randomly. I have never been booked or even warned for anything else

Take a long trip back in time to 1979 & there I was having just washed my Escort Panel Van decided to take a drive a few blocks away & get some fuel.

Ok got the fuel, on my way home doing the posted speed & see a HWY Patrol in the rear view mirror, all of a sudden I remembered
my Magnetic P plates were on the front lawn where I had left them after washing the car.

OMG I thought while he followed me to just around the corner from my place & then pulled me over.
He asked where my P Plates were to which I told him the truth that I had washed the Car & forgot to place them on it when going to get Petrol.

He just laughed at me & handed me the ticket, 3 months no Licence & had to do another Driving test to get it back.

I even told him if he wanted to come around the corner he would see the Garden Hose still running (did not matter in those days) however he did not care.

I did not lose my Job, but only because I walked or took a Taxi if it was raining Heavy etc....

Did I think it was unfair yes at the time however looking back now think it was a fair punishment as even though was an Honest mistake was my responsability to make sure they were on the Car.

The Monty · 12-11-2007, 04:45 PM

If you took to long to pay it, this may happen.

Ives · 12-11-2007, 04:46 PM

Just do what they say do.

EA Bogan · 12-11-2007, 04:50 PM

i payed the fine today, i was pulled over yesterday so i payed the fine as quickly as possible. IM kind of shitting myself now, as far as i know the magistrate is not required to accept my appeal so if he/shes feeling like an ill lose my lisence anyway..

fmc351 · 12-11-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EA Bogan

i payed the fine today, i was pulled over yesterday so i payed the fine as quickly as possible. IM kind of shitting myself now, as far as i know the magistrate is not required to accept my appeal so if he/shes feeling like an ill lose my lisence anyway..

Doesnt SA have work licences?

Does seem very unfair to lose a licence for a trivial matter like failure to display a p plate, especially when its your first offence.

To be fair to the system though, the reason youre losing your licence is failing to obey the law, the p plate is just the particular instance. P plates are probationary/provisional, which means youre on your best behavior, its why you have limited points. That best behavior is not evident when you stuff up is it?

Still, seems the law that allows you to do 20km over and keep your licence, yet costs you it if you fail to put the p plate on is unbalanced. Makes no sense really.

The Monty · 12-11-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EA Bogan

i payed the fine today, i was pulled over yesterday so i payed the fine as quickly as possible. IM kind of shitting myself now, as far as i know the magistrate is not required to accept my appeal so if he/shes feeling like an ill lose my lisence anyway..

Sorry man but that bites the big one. Good luck anyway.

danieleast · 12-11-2007, 08:02 PM

dude. my mate lost his license for that you appeal to court and they will give it back straight away. when he went in they said that it doesnt harm anybody. the only thing is that you cant appeal for another 5 years. so if u lose it again thats it you cant appeal. in saying that get all the help you can like get a letter from your boss saying you need your license for your job. and id be very surprised if you dont get it back.

ohh and also you can get a temporary license pending trial.
daniel

boss-290 · 12-11-2007, 08:43 PM

Gee, that's a poo in the picnic. Hope it works out for you.

EA2BA · 12-11-2007, 04:50 PM

The police run plate checks all the time, they even have a camera that reads plates and does the checking for them automatically, it probably flagged the car belongs to a P plater, saw no P plates so investigated.

EA2BA · 12-11-2007, 05:03 PM

Here are the rules, you broke it fair and square sorry to say:

http://www.lawhandbook.sa.gov.au/ch09s06.php

EA2BA · 15-11-2007, 06:54 AM

I suggest people read the SA handbook it clearly states loss of licence, and does NOT say you lose points.

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Originally Posted by EA2BA

Here are the rules, you broke it fair and square sorry to say:

http://www.lawhandbook.sa.gov.au/ch09s06.php

I qoute:

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P1 provisional licence
CONDITIONS:

- must not drive a motor vehicle or attempt to put a motor vehicle in motion when there is any concentration of alcohol in their blood or prescribed drugs in their blood or oral fluid
- must not drive a motor vehicle at a speed exceeding 10 km/h or more of any speed limit under the Road Traffic Act or exceed the 100 km/h speed limit prescribed under the Motor Vehicles Act
- must not accumulate 4 or more demerit points during the Provisional licence period
- must display prescribed P plates when driving
- must carry licence at all times when driving
TIME HELD
A Provisional (P1) licence must be held for a minimum period of 2 years but a driver can fast track to a P2 licence if they have not accumulated any demerit points in the first 12 months, by completing the Hazard Perception Test.

BREACH OF P1 CONDITIONS
disqualification from driving for 6 months, and
cancellation of the licence

Keepleft · 15-11-2007, 11:06 AM

The actual SA Driver Manual is here:- (Pdf 2.2mb).

http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/pdfs/...d_feb_2007.pdf

P plates serve to signal other road users your actual on-road experience status. Always ensure they are fitted per the 'conditions-of-license' as applied in your state. Do NOT be 'embarassed' to display them!

EABogan, let us know how you go, having paid the fine - you should receive correspondence that will outline your next steps. It is appropriate in your case to attempt appeal.

Green X · 12-11-2007, 06:34 PM

loss of license for not having P plates up is a ******* Joke, Did we all go to sleep and wake up in Russia.

HLC · 12-11-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Green X

loss of license for not having P plates up is a ******* Joke, Did we all go to sleep and wake up in Russia.

and if it was a trivial $20 fine, would you bother putting p's on your car?

i sure as hell wouldnt. and since my car is in my dads name, i'd probably never get pulled over and stung for it, if they do a rego check.

no fear.

they want p-platers scared into doing the right thing. and its worked. makes people think twice before they act.

Green X · 12-11-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

and if it was a trivial $20 fine, would you bother putting p's on your car?

i sure as hell wouldnt. and since my car is in my dads name, i'd probably never get pulled over and stung for it, if they do a rego check.

no fear.

they want p-platers scared into doing the right thing. and its worked. makes people think twice before they act.

Back when i was a P plater 90% of the time they were up, as were most other people that i new as well. Is not having P plates up putting life's at danger NO it isn't. All it does apart from let other drivers on the road no you a new to driving is turn the car into a beacon for Cop's having a bad day.

It blows me away that, you can be DD and get a 3 month driving suspension, and if you forget to put up P plates and are driving a road worthy car doing nothing illegal behind the wheel you cop the same as if you were DD.

What's next 25 to life for J walking

la2or · 12-11-2007, 07:20 PM

It is correct to say we do live under bolshevic communist laws. There is not much you can do about it. Id try to get a work licence,etc. do what they say appeal as much as possible.

fmc351 · 12-11-2007, 07:08 PM

by the looks of that handbook linked, 20km over and you do lose your licence.

It actually reads like any road with a posted limit of under 100kmh and they allow you upto 10km over before you lose your licence for the one incident.

But there is no tolerance on roads where the limit is 100 or more.

lamborghinifan · 12-11-2007, 07:12 PM

quote form page- A P1 licence holder who is facing disqualification for breach of conditions can appeal this disqualification but only on the grounds that their loss of licence will result in severe and unusual hardship to either themselves or their dependants, and provided they have not successfully appealed in the preceding 5 years. If successful no further appeals can be made for 5 years.

Kryton · 12-11-2007, 08:49 PM

isnt it the drivers responsibility to make sure there are P plates up if you have to display them?
isnt it the drivers responsibility to make sure you carry a license?
isnt it also the drivers responsibility to make sure all passengers have their seat belts on?
shall i go on?
making sure you have P plates displayed is a part of your license conditions in which you broke, just like if you had have had a swig of Jimmy and went for a drive.
try the appeal, you should get it.

Ridin-High · 13-11-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

isnt it the drivers responsibility to make sure there are P plates up if you have to display them?
isnt it the drivers responsibility to make sure you carry a license?
isnt it also the drivers responsibility to make sure all passengers have their seat belts on?
shall i go on?
making sure you have P plates displayed is a part of your license conditions in which you broke, just like if you had have had a swig of Jimmy and went for a drive.
try the appeal, you should get it.

mate that is the most rediculous comment.

The serverty of the 2 is completly different, you are basically saying Murder is the same as littering. For a man to loose his license over such a trival matter and in that lose his job and become homeless is a bloody disgrace.

As for the topic starter, take it to court and represent urself, you will prolly get off with a section 10 (warning). I don't know the rules in relation to use of good judgement for police, but the dude sounds like a tool

Van D · 13-11-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

making sure you have P plates displayed is a part of your license conditions in which you broke, just like if you had have had a swig of Jimmy and went for a drive.

Except having a swig of jimmy puts yours and others lives at risk

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la2or · 14-11-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Van D

Except having a swig of jimmy puts yours and others lives at risk

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i think the P plates are meant for people to be more cautious around them.

**PHATAL** · 12-11-2007, 09:05 PM

My workmate got done for no p plates earlier this year or maybe late last year. He was in a work van that he doesn't usually drives and just forgot his plates. That was a loss of license and it was his first offence. You will need to do what has been said above. Make sure you get your boss to write a letter stating that you need your license for work and take it with you to your court appearance. They will send you a letter in a month or so saying that you have to go to court just take the letter and appeal it. My workmate did this and he now has to keep his p license until 2010!! You might want to ring up Transport SA and just make sure you don't have to do anything special to get a court appeal happening. I am pretty sure you don't though I think they just send you a summons or whatever it is called. It usually takes just long enough for you to think that you have gotten away with it and then it turns up.

danieleast · 12-11-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PHATAL

My workmate got done for no p plates earlier this year or maybe late last year. He was in a work van that he doesn't usually drives and just forgot his plates. That was a loss of license and it was his first offence. You will need to do what has been said above. Make sure you get your boss to write a letter stating that you need your license for work and take it with you to your court appearance. They will send you a letter in a month or so saying that you have to go to court just take the letter and appeal it. My workmate did this and he now has to keep his p license until 2010!! You might want to ring up Transport SA and just make sure you don't have to do anything special to get a court appeal happening. I am pretty sure you don't though I think they just send you a summons or whatever it is called. It usually takes just long enough for you to think that you have gotten away with it and then it turns up.

im pretty sure they dont send you a summons. you just set a court date. you only get a summons when u choose to be prosecuted lol. i was stupid enuogh to do that...11th december ill get raped!

**PHATAL** · 12-11-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by danieleast

im pretty sure they dont send you a summons. you just set a court date. you only get a summons when u choose to be prosecuted lol. i was stupid enuogh to do that...11th december ill get raped!

mate that will be a bugger of a christmas present. lol

danieleast · 12-11-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PHATAL

mate that will be a bugger of a christmas present. lol

yeah i know. i pretty much got no chance of keeping the license. they reckon i was doing 134 in 100. yeah on Ps and yeah im going too lose it for sure i can only hope they will give it back to me for work. i dunno how it will work coz im not on P1, P2 im jus plain old Ps. my cousin kept his for doing 115+ in a 50 zone. beats me how :S

daniel