Mazda claim new Diesel 6 is faster than local V8's

colossus · 05-12-2008, 02:52 PM

Was reading a review/news piece on the new Mazda 6 diesel that is coming to Aus in the paper today (think its Carsguide). In the article it states "Mazda claims the new 2.2-litre diesel will out accelerate the locally grown V8 performance sedans from Ford and Holden in fourth gear from 80km/h to 120km/h."

The new 6 is powered by a 2.2L turbo dieselwith 136kw @ 3500rpm and 400Nm from 1800-3000rpm and does 0-100km/h in 8.5secs.

What say you?

Smoke Pursuit · 05-12-2008, 02:54 PM

Doubt it...

irlewy86 · 05-12-2008, 03:01 PM

My push bike out accelerates SS Commodores from 0-3 meters.

**pwr4ce** · 05-12-2008, 03:02 PM

In their dreams maybe!!

GTP owner · 05-12-2008, 03:03 PM

I wait for the proof, but i doubt it is true

RED FGII · 05-12-2008, 03:32 PM

who cares

BrisVegas · 05-12-2008, 04:03 PM

if you happen to be in the right gear (the Mazda 6 diesel is manual only) and waiting for a quick blast 80-120 it might go close. Great little engine, but not worth the paddling until they come out with a decent 6 spd auto or twin-clutch setup.

Rodp · 05-12-2008, 04:11 PM

That's respectable torque for a smaller car, could possibly give an 8 a run for its money.

INASNT · 05-12-2008, 05:04 PM

When Mazda brought out the 3 MPS they claimed it went from 100-130km/h or something quicker than a 911 porsche, which has no relevance in the real world just like the mazda claim.

Who the hell has a drag race from 100km/h to only 130km/h and then backs off

bathurst77 · 05-12-2008, 05:09 PM

in 4th gear..

Ok I will knock the lever to 3rd then so

BlackLS · 05-12-2008, 05:17 PM

I can see the guy racing his Mazda6 Diesel with the pride of "being faster than local V8s".

3, 2, 1, GO.... "I'm winning, I'm winning! *V8 gets traction*...... oh :(......."

TOM-CAT · 05-12-2008, 05:23 PM

its a mazda.... who gives a damn?

goof · 05-12-2008, 05:33 PM

Its all about overtaking really, the whole point of the test
It wouldnt surprise me if it does accelerate that quick from 80-120, have you seen a vw golf 2.0 tdi overtake.

2fishingdogs · 05-12-2008, 05:43 PM

I take it that most V8 owner would be in 3 gear thru these speeds to get the grunt. Would 4 gear be a bit tall for them?

TOM-CAT · 05-12-2008, 05:48 PM

yeah if your going for FAST acceleration then you dont want to be in 4th for 80-120km, not in my brothers V8 at any rate...

Spanrz · 05-12-2008, 05:52 PM

This is the only way a diesel will ever beat a V8.........

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ggxsrV...eature=related

Diesel's rev only half that petrol motors..But the torque is heaps.
The data from Carsguide is only stating where the torque curve cuts in over the V8.

I think someone's pulling their pud on this one. I just don't like people trying to state things that is a **** factor.

So, does it mean that I will want to buy a Mazda simply because it can "overpower a V8" .... Mazda need a few psycologists there, simply because they have no idea what they are talking about.
Why would anyone want to buy a Mazda simply on those terms?

Mazda at lights, Ford F6 pulls up beside him.

Mazda : "yeah, wanna drag mate"

Ford : "pfffft, you for real"

Mazda "Yeah mate, she's gonna go mate"

Ford: "Ok Looser"

Mazda : "but 1 condition, I can only drag you at 80k's to 120k's"

Green light

Ford takes off, leaving the Mazda at the line to dream on!

**Falcon Coupe** · 05-12-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BA Waggn

Diesel's rev only half that petrol motors..But the torque is heaps.

Have you been in a new model diesel ?
Here's mine (note redline), I'd like to see a Boss V8 double it....

Spanrz · 05-12-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Have you been in a new model diesel ?
Here's mine (note redline), I'd like to see a Boss V8 double it....

Hahaha.. Nice. But if you knew where I worked, 5K for a diesel, man, you start heading for the hill's at 3.5k-4k.
I'd be surprised if it get's past 5k on a flat road flat knacker. Must be made with lightweight materials to get that.
Probably on a down hill grade, with a low gear chosen, might give you the over rev (over 5K). You'd be hearing engine metal sounds by then.

plext · 07-12-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

....Here's mine....

'Sif it's that clean.

As to the subject at hand, it's fairly typical advertising bumf with the speed and gear selection criteria. The Mazda quite likely has a different final drive ratio making gear for gear comparisons fairly pointless. The real question is "under optimal conditions and any gear(s), which is faster?" which I would suggest is a slightly different ball game.

It's the usual advertising industry smoke and mirrors, I see nothing to get worked up about.

vztrt · 05-12-2008, 06:29 PM

Whats so special about the interior??

**Falcon Coupe** · 05-12-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Whats so special about the interior??

You are supposed to read, not just look at pictures....

XR Martin · 05-12-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

You are supposed to read, not just look at pictures....

5k redline? Big deal, theres no point reving it that high anyway. Bet you dont rev past 3.5k 99% of the time....

MITCHAY · 05-12-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

5k redline? Big deal, theres no point reving it that high anyway. Bet you dont rev past 3.5k 99% of the time....

He was responding to this post

Quote:

Diesel's rev only half that petrol motors..But the torque is heaps.

Quote:

Here's mine (note redline), I'd like to see a Boss V8 double it....

A Boss V8 is not going to rev to 10k. That was the point he was trying to make I believe.

sgt_doofey · 05-12-2008, 06:35 PM

Turbo Diesel's are all about the torque. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mazda was quicker in that scenario just to the huge amount of torque it would have at that RPM compared to a V8 which torque band would be totally different.
Our 307 has 320Nm of torque on tap from 1750rpm through to about 4000rpm.
To put the Mazda up against a F6 though, I think the F6 would kill it with it's 500+Nm on tap.

DanielXR8 · 05-12-2008, 06:30 PM

My Mazda 6 MPS is faster then the Falcon GT I owned. Mainly because the GT was parked in the service bay for a lot of time I owned it.

vztrt · 05-12-2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

You are supposed to read, not just look at pictures....

Ahh ok, so its a normal small high speed diesel motor. (yes i see the redline) Does it die in the *** like the Ranger diesel does at the top end?

YOOT · 06-12-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Ahh ok, so its a normal small high speed diesel motor. (yes i see the redline) Does it die in the *** like the Ranger diesel does at the top end?

Ofcourse it does, but you don't have to slip the clutch when towing 3000kg uphill, just let it out and away you go.

An it will use 30% less fuel than a Falcon around town.

Horses for Courses...

Carby · 10-12-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by YOOT

Ofcourse it does, but you don't have to slip the clutch when towing 3000kg uphill, just let it out and away you go.

An it will use 30% less fuel than a Falcon around town.

Horses for Courses...

It would want to - it will cost 30 cents a litre more than petrol to fill.

Also - they spew out Carcinogenics - why greenies are not screaming about this is beyond me, Co2 has a use, plants use it, diesel particulants just kill people...................I'd ban all diesels in Oz that don't run particulant filters and would ensure they are regularly changed.

vztrt · 10-12-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Carby

It would want to - it will cost 30 cents a litre more than petrol to fill.

Also - they spew out Carcinogenics - why greenies are not screaming about this is beyond me, Co2 has a use, plants use it, diesel particulants just kill people...................I'd ban all diesels in Oz that don't run particulant filters and would ensure they are regularly changed.

Its the NoX that more dangerous, hence why Euro 4 brings the levels down to minimal levels. Also by your reasoning, Any car that was built before 1986 should be banned.

Carby · 11-12-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Its the NoX that more dangerous, hence why Euro 4 brings the levels down to minimal levels. Also by your reasoning, Any car that was built before 1986 should be banned.

Thats what diesels spew out more than petrol cars - NOx.

Well seeing you can't get leaded petrol anymore I fail to see the logic in your last sentence.