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09-05-2009, 12:18 PM | #1 | |||
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A really good article from the car advice mob.
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09-05-2009, 12:29 PM | #2 | |||
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Great article! Having been in Germany, its all so true. So hard to get used to it there and even harder to get used to it when you come home .....
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09-05-2009, 12:35 PM | #3 | |||
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09-05-2009, 01:18 PM | #4 | |||
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09-05-2009, 12:30 PM | #5 | ||
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great read, but frustrating because its true
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09-05-2009, 12:34 PM | #6 | ||
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09-05-2009, 12:58 PM | #7 | ||
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The stupid thing about this article is that Germany's road statistics are far worse than Australia's.
Did the guy writing this even bother to read the accident/fatality rate in Germany when he asked why can't we travel 320km/h legally? Obviously not. The problem here is European's CAN'T drive, they just have their head so far up their *** they think they can. If someone has to ask why Australia has realistically speed limited roads they need their head inspected. I wouldn't say they aren't too strict, but they have to draw the line somewhere.
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09-05-2009, 01:16 PM | #8 | |||
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11-05-2009, 09:44 AM | #10 | |||
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09-05-2009, 01:09 PM | #11 | ||
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problem is our roads aren't "realistically speed limited"... if you think they are your head is so far up your own *** its not funny.
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09-05-2009, 01:11 PM | #12 | ||
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Reads like a "Why Germany is better than Australia" article to me. Both country has it's merits, I wouldn't move there because of those reasons alone.
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09-05-2009, 01:12 PM | #13 | |||
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If they raised the national average highway speed limit to 120 today, people would be shouting 140 tomorrow. While our speed limits are quite low and heavily enforced they do make a difference to road safety.
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09-05-2009, 01:59 PM | #14 | |||
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Unfortunately Australian drivers have always had the "I have to be in front" attitude.
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09-05-2009, 02:07 PM | #15 | ||
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Peuty your PM box is FULL!!!
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09-05-2009, 02:32 PM | #16 | |||
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12-05-2009, 12:40 PM | #17 | |||
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I spent some time in tassie recently and was impressed with how their speed limits are set up, very simple plus a lot of the dual carriage ways I drove on where 110 (even when close to a city - unlike Melbourne/Victoria, where you need to be out in the country on a divided road)
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09-05-2009, 01:19 PM | #18 | ||
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EDIT: Actually let me ask this very simple question; if we adopted Germany's speed limits (including non-speed limits) tomorrow what effect do you think this would have on Australia's road toll?
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09-05-2009, 01:28 PM | #19 | ||
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An article I read once (can't recall the reference) outlined that German Autobahns as the safest in the work for distance traveled.
AND would be even better if the accidents from adverse weather are removed (ie. 100 car pile ups in fog). I've driven in every Australian state - I've driven in Germany. The difference is unfortunately very obvious: we are no where in comparison bad driving culture much worse roads police mentality that speed = deaths, but driving bad is ok because you can't measure that with a speed (sorry safety) camera. |
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09-05-2009, 01:39 PM | #20 | |||
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Firstly, you forget that the police do not make the rules, they simply enforce them. It might surprise you to know that some of the biggest petrolheads I know are Police. Secondly, where do you get the idea that dangerous driving is okay?
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09-05-2009, 01:47 PM | #21 | ||
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You couldn't just apply the speed limits from germany here in one step, clealry. FOr one our roads are worse in most places and our drivers aren't used to it.
BUT, you can apply a few things: focus on driver training and value for your license. Its too easy to get your license in australia, without any reasonable training. People don't value their license like they would their reputatoin or their career. THey should. For those roads that do meet sufficient standards, raise the speed limit (i wouldn't make it unlimited except teh NT etc.) and train drivers to keep left and have respect for other road users. Driving at 130km/h on the M1 with proper lane discipline is not in of itself any more dangerous than 110km/h we do now. It shortens the trip a bit and reduces fatigue related incidents. Sure if you have a shunt it could cause more damage, but at 110km/h your stuffed anyway.... shift the focus from primarily speed to a range of issues. Drink driving was very effectively attacked in the past and it worked...alot less deaths (though still some) from this issue. Seatbelts etc. Now we need driving standards, the % death at intersections makes the speeding issue seem so stupid. Its far greater. We can't just take the german system, but we can learn from it.
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09-05-2009, 05:28 PM | #22 | |||
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As a society would should be more up in arms that the enforcement agencies are pursuing the easy measure - (speed with a camera + revenue) and it doesn't pull the driver over and stop them - an actual police presence would together with other bad driving habits that cameras don't measure - AND ULTIMATELY SAVE LIVES. ... and I never said driving bad was ok - theres a bit of sarcasm in there somewhere - (I'm on the mark enough to spot that). |
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11-05-2009, 12:45 PM | #23 | |||
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Some of the posts in here really have left me scratching my head.
Engage brain before clicking "Submit Reply" is something a few here need to do.
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09-05-2009, 01:35 PM | #24 | |||
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Just like early settlers that visited islands full of natives and gave them small pox and other common European illnesses. The effect was dramatic almost instant. They didn't have years of immunity. And nor do we. We can't go from our sedate and casual driving style to one with high speed roads and very regimented road rules instantly. It would need to be introduced gradually, so we can change our ways to adapt to it. |
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09-05-2009, 01:43 PM | #26 | |||
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For us to have any rules in comparison it would mean major upgrades that cost money to build a road that wouldn't make any money (Speeding fines) which means it will never happen :togo: Not to mention genrations of people scared to go 10km/h over the limit due to TT or ACA telling us how "Dangerous" it is while they show oldies that take 10mins to get to 60km/h and they are still "Safe" drivers.. Driver Re-Education would take a long time and not to mention cost more $$$... |
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13-05-2009, 08:17 PM | #29 | |||
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However is there anything that can show this stat as a % of cars that use the road? It is a contradiction that the number of deaths have gone up.. you would think it would have gone down. If anyone does much driving on the major freeways in and out of the major cities you will be amazed at the general lack of courtesy and skill displayed by drivers. I do around 60km of freeway driving every day. Not one day goes past where I wont see people overtake 10 cars up the left hand break down lane, or people that ride your tail, then drop 2 gears and fly around your left and just jam their way in front of you... Or the people who take great pleasure at casually driving in the right hand lane right on the speed limit, forcing people to overtake on the left because they think it is their God given right to uphold the law and enforce it on everyone else. I'm still waiting for the day I go to work and return home and not see an incident as described above. Opening up the speed limits in these areas with these drivers will be a disaster if they can't even drive correctly now. |
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