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Uh oh, its happening!
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Did Ford Australia has this on their bingo card for 2025? They've got the Hybrid Ranger in the works, this might force them to introduce other cars back to our market to allow the Ranger sales to continue. Electric Vehice Council has released a statement: ![]() Simon Holmes a Court is looking to lead the teals to make them more strict: ![]() Quote:
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![]() https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/de...mpact-analysis I suspect this will effect 2-bit flogs like Isuzu with their two car range being the DMax and the MUX, Ford Australia can just pull the finger out and offer some of their vehicles to the Australian market that they do for the UK. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 04-02-2024 at 02:05 PM. |
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Yep..... because its all about "reducing petrol costs" and "lowering the cost of living".... when its forcing everyone to spend money on new(er) vehicles that may be utterly unsuitable for what they need them for, nevermind the affordability factor...
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Wonder if this causes companies to create silly cars like Aston Martin did with their version of the Toyota IQ (Cygnet or something like that). What happens to the exohtics?
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What I'm interested in is what is the CO2/KM for the top three selling vehicles of 2023? How do they fit into those charts above, and is this going to significantly change buyer behavior just like the introduction of all the tax incentives did?
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We might see the end of the diesel Thailand Special though, look at how ambitious some of those CO2 targets are in the next few years. |
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The other emissions standards are coming in 2025 so this lines up and will probably push manufacturers to bring forward polluting cars to get them to 2028 when the grace period expires
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Even if you look at the passenger vehicle standards they're targeting, current model Fiesta ST (RIP in Australia):
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Thats a very modern 3 cylinder 1.5L turbo engine, in a car that weighs something like 1200kg and it would struggle to fit in those targets the federal government is talking about in the next few years. Look at 2029 - either manufacturers have been working on stuff behind the scenes or we're going to see the death of internal combustion engine new vehicles by 2029. Or do they just incorporate the price of the penalties the manufacturer pays in the cost of new vehicles? IE - we forecast we're going to sell 100,000 Rangers in Australia in 2029, we're going to pay Canberra X amount in fines for not meeting emissions targets, so $X in fine divided by 100,000 vehicles = $Y markup on every new Ranger sold. What a time to be alive ![]() |
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Simon Holmes a Court would be one of this country's biggest ****ers.
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![]() There's always something along the line mentioned about 'these people being in the minority', well those people in the minority have significant influence in Canberra and we've just seen what happens when something is on their shitlist that they take a disliking too. It started with all the negative media attention cropping up around Thailand Specials and American utes. |
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This bodes very poorly for Ford, with 80% (approximately) of their sales in Australia being Ranger and Everest. I wonder how long Ford US decide to pull the plug on Australia’s market. The government want to push the citizenry to drive the cheap, dangerous junk coming out of China (think BYD). Interesting times ahead. About people got off their backsides and told their local MP’s they don’t support a measure forced in such a short time frame.
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This new fleet emissions will also apply as an added incentive to clean up emissions. Quicker we get brands to **** off junk diesels with numerous components that fail (DPF, EGR, overpriced injectors running 30,000 PSI, etc) the better.
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Reading more and I said it in another thread, it would seem manufacturers would have to buy credits from Tesla, BYD, etc. Would result in price increases for "polluting" cars and extra revenue for EV manufacturers.
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Chris Bowen has stated that you can buy a Mazda CX30 in the UK that is 25% more fuel efficient than any you can buy in Australia.
Mazda UK website 2.0l auto fwd 6.1 l/100km, Mazda Australia website 6.3l/100km. Do they use a different method for calculating fuel consumption in the UK ? |
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So in the UK does their consumption test include driving up a mountain range at 180km/hr towing a trailer ?
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with the aim of lowest CO2 figures because surprise surprise a lot of registrations are taxed that way. So yeah, I recon the European numbers have been massaged a bit where Aussie figures are probably less so. I’m wary about all of this, anytime a government body or efficiency group has a good idea it always ends up costing the average punter more, I’m surprised they haven’t raised fuel excise to some ridiculous amount. I’m old, I’m cynical and just tired of all the bull****. |
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A Mazda cx3 prob averages 9l/100km s in real life. Have you looked at the average co2 numbers as the years roll by. Ice cars will be out out of new car sales by the 2029 except for the rich. Everyone else will buy a possibly dubious and probably Chinese electric car. Apart again from the rich buying expensive electric car brands. Again a large part of the population will be stuck with old ice bombs -new cars will not be on their horizon. I question whether this is the start of the end of the car as a personal mobility device. |
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https://www.carexpert.com.au/jeep/gr...v-4x4-38437d31 disclaimer: https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021...all-fire-risk/
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How I’m reading it also means some manufacturers could reduce supply of some vehicles to reduce their fines, more likely though, the fine cost will be averaged out and added to the vehicle cost… with the associated addition to dealer delivery etc costs..
Maybe we are about to see the end of the Ming mole and the introduction of the carbon cu in the nt
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So the Fuel Tax increases today ... and they announce this crap the day before a fuel price rise... join the dots. Another Con Job in progress.
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So I am better of buying cars from my childhood and being a dinosaur...cool.
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Edit: just had a great conversation with the Mrs. She says, in that case, she will upgrade to a Valiant AP5, as she's always loved them. Done. For me, I've been wondering what to upgrade to for some time, and next to nothing new has appealed, so this is like a weight off the mind. No going to a dealer and looking around inside & all that experience... I can upgrade to whatever I like from whatever era I like. I'm thinking a RR Classic with the 3.9V8, so much character in that chassis - and so much capability. Maybe add an XW wagon to the fleet, or an HR Prem. Some of those are going for new car money, ha. More recently I like last petrol AWD Territories, and VF Calais wagon. Time to stockpile XG vans for the business lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnmpEeJ16fk
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