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Just wondering what the power output on the VCT and HP are standard, cause im looking for at buying a AU but i want a VCT and some ppl are just saying 172kW and i dont know if thats the VCT or HP engine
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thats the vct
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VCT Power : 172kW @ 5000rpm Torque : 374Nm @ 3500rpm HP Power : 164kW @ 5000rpm Torque : 366Nm @ 3150-3500rpm |
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164kw normal (HP)
172kw VCT ....beat me to listing the figures. At this stage the non VCT car is the easier to mod in so far as getting cams etc to work. This may soon change if we get the AU edit.
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Pardon my ignorance fellas, but what does HP stand for? I know VCT is variable cam timing.
Also what are the main technical differences between the HP and VCT? Is it basically just the variable timing gear or other goodies as well? George |
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hp= high performance
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Righto, all have 9.65:1. Power figures are quoted as. 157kw HO164 VCT168 XR6 VCT172 This sound about right everyone. I wonder what the figures were in the real world and how much difference could be seen between say 5 VCTs or 5 HOs. Anyone have an idea? Here's something though, no mention of HP high performance, just HO high output. These are the same yeah? Last edited by GK; 01-04-2005 at 07:37 PM. |
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I'm of the opinion that the 164 kW and 172 kW were the figures that Ford used as the minimum 'official' outputs, my hunch is that some of the production XR6's were actually putting out a bit more than that. There is definitely going to be some variation in ouputs across all the cars, being typically mass produced.
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yet the VCT has more KW..
how does that work?
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The vct cam has simliar lift to the hp au cam.However the variable cam timing can retard and advance cam timing to creat more power.Also consider that they put out from memory less rwkws than fwkws
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Well I assume Ford wanted to use the VCT as a major selling point, hence 'VCT', and compared to the standard Intech 6, the XR6 HP is indeed 'high performance'.
Useless what do you mean less rwkw than fwkw? Me confused
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Open up the bonnet and you will clearly see which car is which. The VCT head is labelled accordingly and has diagonal polished stripes across the top.
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I can tell you for a fact that the HP had to be toned down to make the VCT look superior. Not taking anything away from the VCT, but the HP is not a bad thing either.
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Its all histroy now, and both cars a quite capable of more, but without touching the ecu, which is one of the more expensive mods; the HP is not a bad thing.
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Somehow I find it hard to believe that the HP was only good for 164kw. I know the VCT was certainly good for a lot more than 172kw.
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Of two, Herrod picked the HP version to kit up for Targa duty. Darryl Coon did likewise for racing in Australian Production Car. HP's are lighter (no IRS) and make a better track weapon (hell, V8 Supercars still run live axles...) but that IRS was a very nice piece of gear on the road.
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bit OT but what are the differences between series 1 and series 2 xr6's cause if found i can get a series 2 bodykit on a series 1 but what (if any) are the mechanical changes?
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Umm it's not like the 185kW was as hard as the 5L could go either...
The power figures are always a reflection of their economical balance at the time of design and manufacture.
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Off the production line, based on the parts they had, they were starting to top out. The I6 had, on average, more "in reserve" potential than the V8 had in as a factory production run engine. Id say this was as much to do with the impending death of the 5.0l as anything though. I'm sure Ford would have loved to not have had to produce the 200, 220 and 250kw V8 Windsors.
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I suspect the AU1 VCT head had closer to a 9.30:1 compression ratio. This was fixed in the AU2 and 3 VCTs. I think it was a design fault in the head. Turns out that most AU2/3 VCT's have more power than the AU1 VCT due to this. This has been proved consistantly with dyno runs showing the later VCT's with more power.
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so if the vct can be fiddled to produce more power what are the pro's and con's
just curious as i kepp hearing differant things and thats why i havnt done much to mine YET
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The VCT responds exceptiopnally well to a chip of some kind, be it unichip or chiptorque. Even better with a decent exhaust and intake. No cons at all.
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is it true the VCT though likes to drink a little more juice than the HP motor?
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This is a question that interests me also. Under hard driving what will usually happen. Under normal commuting or highway travel, what will be the result? Cheers |
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