XR Foglights in QLD?

[Creampuff]

The police pulled me over last night at Everton Park, told me to turn off my foglights as they are too bright. They told me they are doing a blitz on XR6,XR8 and SS Commodores. I have had no dramas in the last 3 years and I always drive with them on at night,dusk,dawn,cloudy or long trips. Are they now illegal??
PS after I drove off I put them on again anyway

[XR6_BABE]

Originally Posted by creampuff

The police pulled me over last night at Everton Park, told me to turn off my foglights as they are too bright. They told me they are doing a blitz on XR6,XR8 and SS Commodores. I have had no dramas in the last 3 years and I always drive with them on at night,dusk,dawn,cloudy or long trips. Are they now illegal??
PS after I drove off I put them on again anyway

I'm pretty sure creampuff it's a $70 on the spot fine, so i think you were luck to get let off, it might be worth while to go to your local police station & ask the question about using your fog lights just to be on the safe side.

[AUIII]

Was it foggy last night? :

Although there was a thick smoke haze and Qld transport site says fog lights can be used in thick smoke

This is the only rule I could find on the matter and it seems to be for rears only.

You may only drive with rear fog lights on if you are in heavy fog or hazardous
weather conditions causing reduced visibility. If you are caught using fog lights
where conditions are not hazardous, or where visibility is not reduced, you can be fined $30 and get 3 demerit points.

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by AUIII

If you are caught using fog lights where conditions are not hazardous, or where visibility is not reduced, you can be fined $30 and get 3 demerit points.

Wow, 3 demerit points seems a little crazy to me when taking into account the fine is smaller than parking in a no standing zone. who makes these rules... :

[TUF270]

sounds ridiculous,why dont they find something else to pick on, like actual proper crimes ....

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by creampuff

The police pulled me over last night at Everton Park, told me to turn off my foglights as they are too bright. They told me they are doing a blitz on XR6,XR8 and SS Commodores. I have had no dramas in the last 3 years and I always drive with them on at night,dusk,dawn,cloudy or long trips. Are they now illegal??

Look around:
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=110009


Re new ARR QLD - awaiting gazette notification.

PS after I drove off I put them on again anyway.

Which is why some authorities are studying whether or not to issue a demerit point or two for the offence, as we do with high-beam mis-use.

[Creampuff]

Bloody 4WD headlights are much more annoying!!!

[AUIII]

Originally Posted by creampuff

Bloody 4WD headlights are much more annoying!!!

Haha I will agree with that especially when they sit right on your ****

[Zed7fiddy]

Originally Posted by creampuff

Bloody 4WD headlights are much more annoying!!!

I must agree there, or traides that load up their ute when they have the in correct suspension set up. this is much more dangerous

I drive around with mine on, and i know of people having the police telling them to turn them off, but never heard of anyone getting fined over it.

[Interceptor]

Originally Posted by creampuff

The police pulled me over last night at Everton Park, told me to turn off my foglights as they are too bright. They told me they are doing a blitz on XR6,XR8 and SS Commodores. I have had no dramas in the last 3 years and I always drive with them on at night,dusk,dawn,cloudy or long trips. Are they now illegal??
PS after I drove off I put them on again anyway

finally the police doing thier job.......

however, if you want sympathy, collins have it in stock shomewhere between s*** and syphillis

[Blue Oval Mopar Man]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

finally the police doing thier job.......

however, if you want sympathy, collins have it in stock shomewhere between s*** and syphillis

Well said mate ! Fully agree with ya there !

[Creampuff]

doing their job...I don't think so
PS learn to spell

[Falchoon]

Originally Posted by creampuff

doing their job...I don't think so
PS learn to spell

You are right, the cops weren't doing their job, they should of fined you. Fog lights are for fog. WTF is so hard to understand about that.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Falchoon

You are right, the cops weren't doing their job, they should of fined you. Fog lights are for fog. WTF is so hard to understand about that.

This should be nominated as post of the year.

By the way, Creampuff, sentences start with a capital letter and usually end with a full stop.

Cheers

[Dave_Waxit]

I have always thought that lamps with clear lenses like those on the XR are driving lights..............fog lamps are either a yellow colour or have lenses that spreads the light to help it cut through the fog ?

From memory the use of fog lamps has always been illegal in non-fog conditions. Driving lights on the other hand could only be used with high beam so as not to distract other road users. (Assuming you don't use high beams when there is oncoming taffic)

I have to say I leave the driving lights on around town as they light up pot holes and kerbing far better than the headlights.

Cheers,
Dave.

[AnthonyQLD]

Originally Posted by Dave XR

I have always thought that lamps with clear lenses like those on the XR are driving lights..............fog lamps are either a yellow colour or have lenses that spreads the light to help it cut through the fog ?

From memory the use of fog lamps has always been illegal in non-fog conditions. Driving lights on the other hand could only be used with high beam so as not to distract other road users. (Assuming you don't use high beams when there is oncoming taffic)

I have to say I leave the driving lights on around town as they light up pot holes and kerbing far better than the headlights.

Cheers,
Dave.

I think the ones on the XR's are classed as foul weather lights. Because as you said driving can only come on when you have your highbeam lights on, were as the ones on the falcons can be turned on with the park lights on.

[dallasv8]

Originally Posted by Falchoon

You are right, the cops weren't doing their job, they should of fined you. Fog lights are for fog. WTF is so hard to understand about that.

haha good one mate

[Wokkas]

Originally Posted by creampuff

The police pulled me over last night at Everton Park, told me to turn off my foglights as they are too bright. They told me they are doing a blitz on XR6,XR8 and SS Commodores. I have had no dramas in the last 3 years and I always drive with them on at night,dusk,dawn,cloudy or long trips. Are they now illegal??
PS after I drove off I put them on again anyway

Mmmm, I got done in Cowra a couple of years ago for driving with them on during the day. I thought I was doing the right thing by driving with them on, but now when I see them, especially at night in the hills, I can see why they annoy people.

[holmsy]

iv never found a problem with them. i see huge amounts of cars with them on all the time and they have never bothered me at all.
didnt they just recently make it illegal to have them on in normal weather in all states?

[AnthonyQLD]

I have never been pulled over because of them, I have been pulled over a couple of times for an RBT, and have always had them on and nothing has been said. I had a unmarked SS pull me over one time and even he had his fog lights on.

[flappist]

This will always be an emotive issue. The majority of people who drive around with their fog lights on during the day in clear weather do so purely for the "LOOK AT ME" effect.
The anger at being prevented from this displaying extrovertish behavior is quite real and a personal afront. To them, being seen driving by others is far more important than the actual driving itself.
This is exactly the same reason that ricers fit neons, spinners, cannon exhausts, ultra doof doofs or whatever and if it does not cause any safety or health issues I personally do not have a problem with it.
If, on the other hand, such modifications or behavior do affect other road users then such things, in my opinion, should be restricted.

Of course there is the small minority who actually did use their fog lights for what they perceive are safety reasons. Fortunatly they are still able to use their low beam legally and not be mistaken for "LOOK AT ME" ricers....

[Sledgehammer]

Originally Posted by flappist

being seen driving by others is far more important than the actual driving itself.

Yes it does make it easier to see another vehicle on the road. I know thats not what you're getting at though.....

[4vxc]

Originally Posted by flappist

This will always be an emotive issue. The majority of people who drive around with their fog lights on during the day in clear weather do so purely for the "LOOK AT ME" effect.
The anger at being prevented from this displaying extrovertish behavior is quite real and a personal afront. To them, being seen driving by others is far more important than the actual driving itself.
This is exactly the same reason that ricers fit neons, spinners, cannon exhausts, ultra doof doofs or whatever and if it does not cause any safety or health issues I personally do not have a problem with it.
If, on the other hand, such modifications or behavior do affect other road users then such things, in my opinion, should be restricted.

Of course there is the small minority who actually did use their fog lights for what they perceive are safety reasons. Fortunatly they are still able to use their low beam legally and not be mistaken for "LOOK AT ME" ricers....

beautifully said, book 'em all and check their P plates while your'e there.

[AnthonyQLD]

Originally Posted by 4vxc

beautifully said, book 'em all and check their P plates while your'e there.

Yes becasue its only young guys and girls that use them :

[4vxc]

Originally Posted by AnthonyQLD

Yes becasue its only young guys and girls that use them :

well book them for missing P plates, or inflated egos then.

[Bucknaked]

The rule is a difficult one. In Canberra, fog is in patch's and its thick. Are we mean't to turn them on an off all the time. I wish fog lamps were setup like the auto lights or the auto wiper's. Then there is no need to even worry about them.

[EviLkarL]

Originally Posted by creampuff

The police pulled me over last night at Everton Park, told me to turn off my foglights as they are too bright. They told me they are doing a blitz on XR6,XR8 and SS Commodores. I have had no dramas in the last 3 years and I always drive with them on at night,dusk,dawn,cloudy or long trips. Are they now illegal??

Wan ker lights

Originally Posted by creampuff

PS after I drove off I put them on again anyway

Case closed

[T3man]

creampuff ... hmmm, says it all really.

Just consider yourself lucky you got off with a warning. You could have been booked for an offence ... ignorance is not a defense, nor is your "belief" that you have some doG-given right to use your fog lights any time you wish. They are for FOG, funny that!

Now you've had your sook, dry your eyes and get over it.

[Nickxb]

persoanlly i like them, i bought my car because the way that it look and drives. I have an xr6 and if i only got it for the driving experience i would have gotten an xt. i drive with the driving lights on at night because imo it looks cool.

[Keepleft]

Nickxb wrote:

persoanlly i like them,

Yes, I like having factory front fogs too, but only using them under hazardous weather conditions restricting visibility.

i bought my car because the way that it look and drives.

Thats nice Nick.

I have an xr6 and if i only got it for the driving experience i would have gotten an xt.

Okay, you bought the XR6 on 'looks and how it drives'.

i drive with the driving lights on at night because imo it looks cool.

Yes, I use my 'driving lights' at night too, they only come on when the headlight switch is on high 'beam', funny that eh?


The_Axe wrote:

I call them driving lights, not foglights.

Lol, call them what you will, matter not. At law enforcement, what will matter is the lamps compliance coding.

What the hell is wrong with them anyway?

Nothing, front fog lamps are IDEAL for the complianced and design-function for which they were made made; - 'hazardous weather conditions', meaning rain, fog, bushfire smoke, snowfall, the worse that criteria, the more effective they become *for you* as your speed is reduced!

I can't see a problem with driving around with them on.

Nor can I in those conditions above. Just wait till we get DRL's MANDATED!!! Mate, that will really excite the living EF outta ya. THOSE and the foggies maaayyyte, HECK, we can even chuck ontha low-beam headlights to boot, just wait, you'll see. Go Aussie oi oi oi.


FPV70 wrote:

I am 99.99% sure Fog lights are illegal to drive with on unless there IS fog.

Could have sworn I saw some original post somewhere about this?? Well anyway, WA and NSW were the ONLY two AUS states that had a direct prohibition on using front fogs in clear weather conditions for decades, this is now NATIONAL - it will soon be enforceable law in your state.

So while your driving around with your "Fog lights" on, does that mean I can drive with my Driving lights on?

Yes and No, it all depends on prevailing circumstance. Here in NSW, we'll give you a demerit point for having high-beam on when against ARR measurement, in dollar terms, its a ****y $75 fine. Same will apply to front fog abuse, for now.

Also, if some yobbo has their Red rear Fog light on while I am behind them, then they cop my Hightbeam and 100w Spotties, they distract me with their stupid little red lights

I have the same irritation with many a front fog, but that is NOT the only reason why we now prohibit their use in clear weather conditions. The rear fog lamp is to be considered the 'primary lighting defence' against rear-end collisions under lousy visibility, afterall your standard 5watt tallights are thorough bulldung when compared to a rear fog that is correctly used and not abused.

that you can not see their brake lights clearly and easily then they can have an eye full of my lights for me to combat theirs.

Never had the problem, my eyesights not that bad unfortunatly, but I do advocate summary roadside execution for having either rear or front fogs on in clear weather.


daz82 wrote:

My gripes are rear fog lights

My gripe is standard taillights under hazardous weather conditions with seriously reduced visibility, I HATE EM, utterly worthless, thank god for rear fog lamps! See above for penalty of abuse hint. Couldn't care less about the Toyota, its not the only vehicle with auto-switching of standard lamps on.


WAXAMAN wrote:

I think the SSs are the biggest issue. I don't think they have glare shield on their fog lights. The XRs do.

Look, the VX-VY Series SS had South Korean made, NON United Nations standard lamps that purported to be ADR compliant front fog lamps. These pieces of bulldung were NOT fitted to HSV units of the same series build btw, which used UN Compliant front fog lamps instead. The well known glary SS units have been replaced with world compliant units once again, thankfully.

Meeting COMPLIANCE for a lamps function means a lamp - IF it is installed correctly (AD13 for MA, MB and MC - ADR19 for others), is to be accepted as a stamp of 'photometric quality'. Yes, some with the same stamp will be 'better' than others, BUT the key criteria of beam parameter, chromatic and photometric performance will be uniform.

Note 1: "DRIVING LAMPS", wired to operate when a headlight switch is on high-beam only, are NOT front fog lamps.

Note 2: "FRONT FOG LAMPS" are sadly, owing some stupid ignorant QLD'er who had its way with old FORS years ago in relation to ADR's13/19, means they will operate on the Park, Low and High-Beam headlights, IF its front fog lamp switch is also 'on'.

JUST BECAUSE they operate on LOW-BEAM ladies doesn't mean they are 'driving lights', 'passing lights' etc. Be assured, that despite the wildest of drug parties or other illegal substances you take, NOTHING will change the compliance markings of ANY COLOURED front fog lamp FROM its designed AND MARKED (on lens) function. A 'function' that is now controlled by regulation in exactly the same manner as ALL other vehicle lighting matters.

I have to say, this lighting stuff is seriously primary school, if some folk in a motor forum cannot comprehend this exceedingly simple stuff, christ knows why you think GovCo should ever raise speed limits, when simple stuff cannot be 'done right'.

GOD FORBID the outcome IF ever the academics get their way and we end up having MANDATORY DRL's in Australia!!

Imagine this, car approaches, 'ON' is its;
* Low beam headlights (optional mayyyte).
* DRL's (P12V/21w) These will be AUTO-ON at ignition, think of a rear fog lamp but in white-optic with similar characteristics.
* Front fog lamps (Nah- - these be 'driving' lamps see coppa - cause I'm 'drivin' ay??).
* Cornering lamps (I wired these 'light things' ON full-time cobbah - they didn't do nuthin so I thought they were unconected driving lights). See directly above for his interpretation of 'driving light''! [Cept fool to send a beam of torch-like light diagonally across the lanes-each way).

Christ, and some think SE Asia is bad.