60kph over = Instant jail

AWD Chaser · 31-07-2007, 07:55 PM

We all know the current fine system

< 15 kph
< 30kph
< 45kph
> 45kph

But what if they introduced an extra one...

> 60kph, fine, + weekend trip to jail.

Would this turn people off going 60kph over the limit?

The reason I suggest/ask this, is that there is no need for 60kph over the limit. Some people can try to justify the rest of the speeds, but 60kph+ is not justified...

Your opinions?

sfr rob · 31-07-2007, 08:00 PM

nah, it wouldn't float.... there are too many loop holes in the new system anyway, and i am sure jail cells are needed for much worse crimes these days than clocking 60 over.
Thats just my opinion though.

blackers10 · 31-07-2007, 08:01 PM

from what i read it costs 250k a year to keep a juvanile delinquint (spelling)
we dont need more reason for them to up the taxes and fines to pay for more people to look after the bad people

**TUF_302** · 31-07-2007, 08:11 PM

i dont think speeding should result in prison, just a very large fine and a very long time without a licence.

Nostalgia · 31-07-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SVO_XR6

i dont think speeding should result in prison, just a very large fine and a very long time without a licence.

Dosent work mate. They still drive without a licence.

gs1973 · 31-07-2007, 08:21 PM

Bl$#dy oath some of you blokes are fairies! Get real and stop wearing your Mum's frilly knickers and get a life! Using speed in inappropriate situtations kills, Not speed itself.. Some of you should just lock yourself in your room and hug your knee's.

Wokkas · 31-07-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gs1973

Bl$#dy oath some of you blokes are fairies! Get real and stop wearing your Mum's frilly knickers and get a life! Using speed in inappropriate situtations kills, Not speed itself.. Some of you should just lock yourself in your room and hug your knee's.

So how do we determine in both foresight and hindsight, what is "inappropriate".

I'd assume a situation where you don't get caught is "appropriate", and a situation where a small child runs onto the road and is killed by you is "inappropriate"?

Grow up mate.

kyro_02 · 31-07-2007, 08:07 PM

i'm against it (not that i do those sort of speeds) but its getting ridiculous, we won't have any rights on the road. soon we'll blink an eye or cough / sneeze and get a fine.. :(

grrr.

AWD Chaser · 31-07-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

i'm against it (not that i do those sort of speeds) but its getting ridiculous, we won't have any rights on the road. soon we'll blink an eye or cough / sneeze and get a fine.. :(

grrr.

So are you saying that you would be against any one more rule/restriction on the road...

How would this one rule have any implications on your rights on the road. It just a bigger/worse fine for breaking a law by an insain degree...

What would you say to the same rule, but for doing 100kph over...

kyro_02 · 31-07-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by au3 chaser

So are you saying that you would be against any one more rule/restriction on the road...

How would this one rule have any implications on your rights on the road. It just a bigger/worse fine for breaking a law by an insain degree...

What would you say to the same rule, but for doing 100kph over...

I say the current consequences are good enough

kyro_02 · 31-07-2007, 08:19 PM

**Edit**

speak for yourself toolkit, if theres nothing done to try stop bullshit regulation then life is going to be pretty strict in the future... would you like to lose your license if a law was enforced if you did 10kph over? how about the next time you look at someone the wrong way.. you'll get locked up and the key thrown away.. I didn't think you would...

Outbackjack · 31-07-2007, 08:23 PM

Its bad enough that people get punished with fines that are generated by dodgy speed measuring devices, keeping in mind that these devices have never been approved by the commonwealth to be used as a measuring instrument that can be used to apply a fine, but when these devices are used to remove a persons liberty....... It would be time to move to Russia.

T_Terror · 31-07-2007, 08:19 PM

**Edit**

Why does your opinion give you the right to be abusive to people who are REPLYING TO A TOPIC IN A INTERNET FORUM.

The elderly couple are a tragedy and the person who caused it will probably go to jail for it. The world moves on.

It sounds like you need to get a life and let everyone else live theirs how they want it.

Anyway, back to the topic, NO they shouldnt make that law.
Why do you have to assault someone at least 10+ times before going to jail, yet on the roads you are so much more culpable?

For gods sake, Burt Newtons son bashed his girfriend and tried to gouge her eyes out and wasnt even convicted let alone sent to jail!

FPV8U · 31-07-2007, 08:09 PM

No bloody way!

Nostalgia · 31-07-2007, 08:12 PM

Bit high. 15km/h over should be weekend in lock up. 60km/h over is basically doing 100 through a school zone.

ardei · 31-07-2007, 08:11 PM

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That's stupid. It's not your fault au3chaser that it's stupid. It's just the whole principle of drawing a line where someone goes to jail and someone doesn't. And then the principle of jail in Australia is a bit of a joke really. [sarcasm] Do they even exist? [/sarcasm] I know I'd be more worried about losing my licence for 3/6/12months than spending a couple of nights in jail.

And then people will argue how you can say "Some people can try to justify the rest of the speeds, but 60kph+ is not justified..." considering that a set speed limit is just that - the LIMIT. Meaning your local road authority has set range from 0 to Xkph where you can drive legally. So technically, going over the limit is unjustifiable (I do not share this view...but it's the theory). It's like giving someone a piece of land and setting the outer limits. You can use anything within those limits and then they deliberately go outside of them because it gives them a rush.

I don't know anymore...all these new ways to scare people into stop speeding. It's stupid. I propose two options:

a) You go XX over the speed limit and the penalty is death.
b) We educate drivers in this country HOW to drive safely at speed.

I think I'm leaning towards b (just).

flappist · 31-07-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by au3 chaser

We all know the current fine system

< 15 kph
< 30kph
< 45kph
> 45kph

But what if they introduced an extra one...

> 60kph, fine, + weekend trip to jail.

Would this turn people off going 60kph over the limit?

The reason I suggest/ask this, is that there is no need for 60kph over the limit. Some people can try to justify the rest of the speeds, but 60kph+ is not justified...

Your opinions?

You know if they made it life imprisonment for murder no one would kill anyone.......

JG66ME · 31-07-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

You know if they made it life imprisonment for murder no one would kill anyone.......

Why do you always say what I think so eloquently?(sp)

Green X · 31-07-2007, 08:21 PM

No. I have done 60km+ over the limit before in a 110 zone, It was a long straight stretch of road 900km from the nearest capital city, 200km from the nearest town with next to no traffic.

Was it justified well No it was against the law, but unlike other dick heads who opt to do this sort of thing in built up arias I did it where the only person who could be injured was my-self.

**Falcon Coupe** · 31-07-2007, 08:28 PM

This is off to a bad start, go easy on the personal comments or it will be closed.

gs1973 · 31-07-2007, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

We all know the current fine system

< 15 kph
< 30kph
< 45kph
> 45kph

But what if they introduced an extra one...

> 60kph, fine, + weekend trip to jail.

Would this turn people off going 60kph over the limit?

The reason I suggest/ask this, is that there is no need for 60kph over the limit. Some people can try to justify the rest of the speeds, but 60kph+ is not justified...

Your opinions?

Actually mate, all this will do is create more high speed pursuits.. If your a#se was on the line to go to jail do you reckon you would pull over? Everyone doesn't live in built up area's you know.. There is a big difference in racing cars side by side in city streets compared to being the only car on a isolated backroad giving it a squirt.. Have a think about it.

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**Full Noise** · 31-07-2007, 08:34 PM

Well cuff me and take me to jail.

What about when the speed limit is inappropriate for the conditions?

For example:

Approximately eight weeks ago I was driving my “63 tonne baby killing machine” B-double on the Hume highway approaching the Goulburn Valley Highway exit. This is a 110 k/ph zone, we are limited to 100 k/ph and I was probably on around 101 as I veered left for the GV Hwy sweeper. Three quarters the way around the corner were are some bonehead road workers with the left lane blocked proudly displaying 40 k/ph signs. From the time it took me to lift off the accelerator and move my foot to the break pedal, I was already past these morons.

So by this twisted logic, I should have been thrown in jail, to protect the public, of course.

Bearman · 31-07-2007, 08:35 PM

No Jail!!! Still, 60km/h over any speed limit cannot be justified by any way of thinking. A very big fine and a long holiday from driving would be appropriate.

**Full Noise** · 31-07-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearman

Still, 60km/h over any speed limit cannot be justified by any way of thinking.

I suppose that you’ve never given any of your cars a squirt on some lonely back road to see what they’d do?

Wokkas · 31-07-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

I suppose that you’ve never given any of your cars a squirt on some lonely back road to see what they’d do?

We all do it, but not all of us are arrogant enough to try and justify it.

**Full Noise** · 31-07-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokkas

We all do it, but not all of us are arrogant enough to try and justify it.

Excuse me? May I ask where in my post you thought that I was justifying it?

FPV8U · 31-07-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Excuse me? May I ask where in my post you thought that I was justifying it?

Chill Danny it's clearly your fault that the signs were not set up properly, with the right distances...

When i was working on the roads we would always allot a minimum of 150% of what was the legal minimum distance between signs (Slowing down 100 to 80 - 60 - 40) if you had have been caught, you would need only to walk into court with evidence of how the signs were set up and you would be free.

FORD3V · 31-07-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Excuse me? May I ask where in my post you thought that I was justifying it?

Sounds to me like he was agreeing with you mate.

Elks · 31-07-2007, 09:22 PM

Back to the point,

Rant on

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The law allows for jail time for dangerous driving and if you get caught bieng dangerous it is your problem.

There is no reason to inflict automatic jail time ever.

Scenarios;

You we being chased by a bikie or you best friend was in the back bitten by a snake or whatever. You get caught, you go to court & argue dying best friend etc.. and a reasonable judge would be lienient.

You drag race some nuff in nissan turbo through a housing estate past someones kids, you go to court, judge says your in a world of pain sharing a cell with Bubba for a few weeks.

Automatic sentancing is stupid.

The Vic. govt is reaping in millions $$ in fines with huge penalties for stepping out of line with little or no impact road toll. We have speed camera's that operate as guilty until proven innocent. And remember the Vic govt just caught a speed limited bus doing 140+ (i think) that will be challenged.

If that was you in an XR, your gone. How do you prove otherwise?

Travelling at 60 over is hard to justify, and the people who speed like this don't expect to get caught otherwise they wouldn't be speeding at all.

So the penalty is irrelevant, it is a very, very, bad idea.

Rant off

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gs1973 · 31-07-2007, 08:51 PM

I reckon our Grandfathers, who fought in wars To give us freedom in this country would turn in their Grave at some of the nonsense that is going on with our laws.. Push Drugs and create misery and desperation in peoples lives and get a smack on the wrist, Do 60 km/h over the speed limit somewhere, even in the middle of nowhere and you have people advocating jail terms.. Maybe a career in today tonight beckon's some?

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