Will Kyoto spell the end for aussie muscle?

t2te50 · 05-12-2007, 08:25 PM

This is the question that will send a chill through every enthusiasts heart. I'm personaly afraid of the ramafacations and would like to get other peoples opinions on this. It has actually suparised me that no one has brought it up sooner!!!

Has voting Rudd killed off any hopes of their ever being a GTHO or even a T3 AU for that matter??

RIPGMH · 05-12-2007, 08:28 PM

Its going to devastate industry, including the car industry.

Edit: Please don't include the AU T3 and the GTHO in the same sentence.

Piotr · 05-12-2007, 08:32 PM

The rest of the world gets alone fine with kyoto and Australia will too

FordFella · 05-12-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotr

The rest of the world gets alone fine with kyoto and Australia will too

Yeah, but the rest of the world doesn't have muscle cars! Except for America, and look how their industry is going!

RIPGMH · 05-12-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotr

The rest of the world gets alone fine with kyoto and Australia will too

The rest of the world isn't Australia, it should be based on population per km2. This country is riding a resources boom, we need to reduce emmissions but it should be done on our terms.

4Vman · 05-12-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RIPGMH

The rest of the world isn't Australia, it should be based on population per km2. This country is riding a resources boom, we need to reduce emmissions but it should be done on our terms.

Which is why we didnt follow the rest like lemmings...
Australia is unique and has significant differences to the rest of the world, most of which puts us at a dissadvantage under Kyoto's blueprint..

XD 351 Ute · 05-12-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RIPGMH

The rest of the world isn't Australia, it should be based on population per km2. This country is riding a resources boom, we need to reduce emmissions but it should be done on our terms.

And where do the majority of these resources go??

Overseas.

Then we get them back as manufactured goods.
We'll be right once the coal, etc runs out, the rest of the world will just bleed somewhere else dry, and we won't be able to afford anything anyway..........
The rich side of town will be fine though, they'll have all the money from the increased profits and the exhorbitant (spelling...) taxes we are and will be forced to pay just to live.

I'll add my vote to the scam side of the fence please.

Ed

Green X · 05-12-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by XD 351 Ute

And where do the majority of these resources go??

Overseas.

Then we get them back as manufactured goods.
We'll be right once the coal, etc runs out, the rest of the world will just bleed somewhere else dry, and we won't be able to afford anything anyway..........
The rich side of town will be fine though, they'll have all the money from the increased profits and the exhorbitant (spelling...) taxes we are and will be forced to pay just to live.

I'll add my vote to the scam side of the fence please.

Ed

**** Oath mate we should be running it on owe terms, we'v got that much Gas, Oil and mineral's and what do we do just Flog it all off and why, for a quick profit, what about in 50 years when it's worth even more and we'v already dug most of it up.

gtfpv · 06-12-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotr

The rest of the world gets alone fine with kyoto and Australia will too

in the vehicle industry . that is absolute garbage . all american V8'S AND HIGH PERFORMANCE CARS do not even meet euroIII standards . AS FOR LAMBOS AND FERRARIES BUGHETTIES ETC ETC . THEY DO NOT EITHER. .
I THINK EVEN PORSCHE's dont meet euro III either .
and EURO III is substandard when it comes to the KYOTO agreement.

FordFella · 05-12-2007, 08:33 PM

Rudds a useless tool. And with the Dancing at his side as environmental minister and some random woman as minister for(?) climate change our car industry might just collapse. And the crap thing is there is no-one famous on our side.

Piotr · 05-12-2007, 08:38 PM

Have a look at some of the cars coming out of Europe and the new GT-R from japan. They will shatter anything America and Aus can offer

SLO-04L · 05-12-2007, 08:51 PM

personally i would rather drive a 6cyl falcon and not have to deal with melting polar icecaps and drought at the same time, than drive a big v8 and have to cruise around with my aircon on because of the 45degree days in winter,

Its evolution, in order for the Australian automotive industry to survive it will need to adapt and evolve into the new conditions, you don't need a big capacity car to make big power and at the same time big capacity doesn't have to mean higher emissions, the manufacturers will just have to spend more money on developing an engine that is both powerful and ecconomic, personally i think this would be a great development!

Cespenar · 05-12-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SLO-04L

personally i would rather drive a 6cyl falcon and not have to deal with melting polar icecaps and drought at the same time, than drive a big v8 and have to cruise around with my aircon on because of the 45degree days in winter,

Its evolution, in order for the Australian automotive industry to survive it will need to adapt and evolve into the new conditions, you don't need a big capacity car to make big power and at the same time big capacity doesn't have to mean higher emissions, the manufacturers will just have to spend more money on developing an engine that is both powerful and ecconomic, personally i think this would be a great development!

: If we all started walking now and had no cars, zilch mumbo, It would still be a very bad situation 50 to 100 years from now. Cars in Australia have been gauged to be about one millionth to blame.
And as an aside, the electric hybrid cars create more greenhouse gasses to build than a normal car, so where's the balance? At the moment, there is no balance.
Even the scientists are now admitting that the information we have is thrown together by retards.
Yes, there is a lot we can do as individuals, but the tiny amount of cars we have in Australia doesn't make a measurable difference.

la2or · 06-12-2007, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SLO-04L

personally i would rather drive a 6cyl falcon and not have to deal with melting polar icecaps and drought at the same time, than drive a big v8 and have to cruise around with my aircon on because of the 45degree days in winter,

Its evolution, in order for the Australian automotive industry to survive it will need to adapt and evolve into the new conditions, you don't need a big capacity car to make big power and at the same time big capacity doesn't have to mean higher emissions, the manufacturers will just have to spend more money on developing an engine that is both powerful and ecconomic, personally i think this would be a great development!

The difference is negligible you idiot. You think yourself driving a v8 or 6 will make any difference.

Australia is small in terms of the world anything australia does even on a large scale will be negligible. Reducing emissions a negligible amount has not been proven to make a difference.

la2or · 06-12-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SLO-04L

personally i would rather drive a 6cyl falcon and not have to deal with melting polar icecaps and drought at the same time, than drive a big v8 and have to cruise around with my aircon on because of the 45degree days in winter,

The temperature is going to increase 25 degrees(about 20 degrees in winter usually) if we dont change.

If the the global warming bullshitters like Al Gore only claim the temperature will increase 5 degrees over 100 years or something miniscule.

THE GREAT GLOBAL WARMING SWINDLE.

Barry_v · 05-12-2007, 08:40 PM

yes, and our economy will collapse and society will drop into anarchy.

and mel gibson will get the XB out.

Walkinshaw · 05-12-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry_v

yes, and our economy will collapse and society will drop into anarchy.

and mel gibson will get the XB out.

let the good times roll.

HLC · 05-12-2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry_v

yes, and our economy will collapse and society will drop into anarchy.

and mel gibson will get the XB out.

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Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

let the good times roll.

AHAHAH Gold.

zetec · 07-12-2007, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry_v

yes, and our economy will collapse and society will drop into anarchy.

and mel gibson will get the XB out.

T3rminator · 05-12-2007, 08:43 PM

Well for starters old school muscle cars died when the Euro III compliance came out 3 years ago. The shift from windsor to the boss signified the change.

Secondly, the EU are strong supporters of the Kyoto protocol and they are still able to manufacture awesome V8s

There will still be muscle cars e.g. B series GTs, but it won't be old school.

Bent8 · 05-12-2007, 08:56 PM

No...I wouldn't worry about it...Rudd just want's to look like a green boy, the Kyoto Protocol is a load of bull*%$#.

4Vman · 05-12-2007, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bent8

No...I wouldn't worry about it...Rudd just want's to look like a green boy, the Kyoto Protocol is a load of bull*%$#.

Non compliance carries penalties and sanctions:

In the case of the enforcement branch, each type of non-compliance requires a specific course of action. For instance, where the enforcement branch has determined that the emissions of a Party have exceeded its assigned amount, it must declare that that Party is in non-compliance and require the Party to make up the difference between its emissions and its assigned amount during the second commitment period, plus an additional deduction of 30%. In addition, it shall require the Party to submit a compliance action plan and suspend the eligibility of the Party to make transfers under emissions trading until the Party is reinstated

feebs · 05-12-2007, 09:11 PM

Aus allready complies with KYOTO.. was largely a symbolic agreement more than anything else.

Have been thinking that the days of large bore v8s are nearly over for years now.. but holden continues to bring larger engines over..

Maybe fuel hitting a couple of bucks a litre will hurt large bore cars more than kyoto.

xbgs351 · 06-12-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by feebs

Aus allready complies with KYOTO.. was largely a symbolic agreement more than anything else.

Good to see someone know whats going on. ABC radio said last night that Australia is currently within 1% of hitting it's target. I don't know why the coalition didn't publicise this more, arguing which is better; signing Kyoto and not meeting the targets like some other countries afre doing, or not signing Kyoto and meeting the targets.

Walkinshaw · 05-12-2007, 08:52 PM

HAHAHA @ muscle cars 3yrs ago.

muscle cars died with ADR27

4Vman · 05-12-2007, 08:53 PM

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HAHAHA @ muscle cars 3yrs ago.

muscle cars died with ADR27

Agree 100%! Bring back ADR 26!!! the REAL musclecars died in jan 1974..

4Vman · 05-12-2007, 08:52 PM

The issue for Australia comes from how we produce electricity... coal is a big problem under Kyoto.
The reason we haven't agreed to it up until now is the problems it will cause for us..
Kyoto benefits places like china and India who have booming economy's and populations, but will penalise us... Electricity and fuel prices are tipped to rise as a result of compliance with Kyoto.

Envi XR8 · 05-12-2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The issue for Australia comes from how we produce electricity... coal is a big problem under Kyoto.
The reason we haven't agreed to it up until now is the problems it will cause for us..
Kyoto benefits places like china and India who have booming economy's and populations, but will penalise us... Electricity and fuel prices are tipped to rise as a result of compliance with Kyoto.

As I understand, and I could be wrong, China and the US are the 2 last main omitters that have not signed Kyoto.

25 years ago anyone who cared about the environment or chose not to use CFCs was a called a fanatic or radical. Look how far we have come? An avalanche starts with a snow flake. Change is hard to accept, thats why real change takes a long time.

t2te50 · 05-12-2007, 09:09 PM

Will they put carbon limitations on vehicles depending on their displacement? What will be the big kill joy? You guys with your ADR knowledge trip me out, then again I've never done any crazy aftermarket mods.

T3rminator · 05-12-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by t2te50

Will they put carbon limitations on vehicles depending on their displacement? What will be the big kill joy? You guys with your ADR knowledge trip me out, then again I've never done any crazy aftermarket mods.

They will most likely introduce tax. The T3 service manual states that it has a taxable horsepower of 51kw. I've been told some countries use this to determine amount of tax you have to pay to drive the vehicle

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I also know that in some countries the cost of your rego increases as the capacity of your engine increases.