Run your car with water??

[snap]

runyourcarwithwater.com What do you think about this?

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i tried this and my hyclone rusted

[GasoLane]

Cant do that here. We're in the middle of a drought!

[DoreSlamR]

Probably one of the earlier 'hydrogen' motors designed.

Hydrogen technology is gonna be huge when the oil companies decide to release it, they've bought out or suppressed patents for hydrogen motors since the 50's.

[GasoLane]

Ah. The old conspiracy theory, where oil Companies have either surpressed development, assassinated or bought out inventors of water powered cars.

[bob 351]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Ah. The old conspiracy theory, where oil Companies have either surpressed development, assassinated or bought out inventors of water powered cars.

realy truly cause they did more money in fuel water falls out of the sky sometimes and it's free at the moment

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by bob 351

water falls out of the sky sometimes and it's free at the moment

ARRGGHH!! dont say that on a public forum!

before you know it one of our Kevins boys will work out a way to install a meter on the house downpipes, to tax us on the water going into rainwater tanks!!

[XBROO]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

ARRGGHH!! dont say that on a public forum!

before you know it one of our Kevins boys will work out a way to install a meter on the house downpipes, to tax us on the water going into rainwater tanks!!

That not that far from the truth, because the farmers get charged for water in their dams. :

[DoreSlamR]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Ah. The old conspiracy theory, where oil Companies have either surpressed development, assassinated or bought out inventors of water powered cars.

Not water, hydrogen.

But yes it is a conspiracy theory but one of the lesser out there ones i've heard.
Hell i've heard of one that said stephen King killed John Lennon! now thats out there! :

[Gammaboy]

Originally Posted by DoreSlamR

Not water, hydrogen.

But yes it is a conspiracy theory but one of the lesser out there ones i've heard.
Hell i've heard of one that said stephen King killed John Lennon! now thats out there! :

Yep, Hydrodgen will be great when they overcome the storage and transport issues, and figure out how to cheaply generate the energy required to split the H20 into Hydrogen and O2. But I'm sure the big nasty oil companies are supressing that technology too.

[DoreSlamR]

Originally Posted by Gammaboy

Yep, Hydrodgen will be great when they overcome the storage and transport issues, and figure out how to cheaply generate the energy required to split the H20 into Hydrogen and O2. But I'm sure the big nasty oil companies are supressing that technology too.

The technology is there: BMW Hydrogen7 anyone?

I think maybe you misinterpreted my comment on the big bad oil companies suppressing this technology as me being serious.... I apologise if this was the case as it is not.


The BMW motor could be considered the 21st centuries version of the very first petrol combustion engine of the 20th century..gotta start somewhere.

[Jayden]

Originally Posted by snap

runyourcarwithwater.com What do you think about this?

scam. theres no real science in there. possibly some extreme negatives though like heat / flat battery. Apparently some people still try to flog polarizers too and give them the whole scientific jargon and guarantees.

everyone do us all a favor and dont give money to: ringtone providers, cults, Zimbabwean royalty or amazing car improvements that German engineers somehow missed. that way they will go away hopefully.

[CROC4D]

My old Man's testing this stuff. type into google Browns gas, HHO, Oxyhydrogen, you'll get heaps of websites on this stuff.
My Old man has an old mitsubishi canter diesel. was running 20L/100km. after he installed the Hydrogen generator it lowered to 12L/100km. I saw it with my own eyes.

[Nikked]

this reminds me of the circle in Formans Basment.

"they have this car, that runs on water! It has an air-cooled fiberglass block!"

[crrrock]

Tell ya what Jayden.
I'll drive to Perth on my HHO and you can pay for the return fuel.
We'll see who ends up the poorest.
22lt/100km down to 13lt/100km(croc4d was out a little)
I'm saving 41%, and I'm still experimenting to improve more.
If it weren't for sceptics, I'd have nothing to prove.
And it only consumes about 250ml of water in 850km.

crrrock.

[ltd]

Hydrogen is not being surpressed by the oil companies, commercial amounts of the stuff are available now through your local BOC gases. The problem with hydrogen is that it is more expensive in price at the moment than oil products, due to the costs associated with making it. Making Hydrogen from water is done through electrolysis which requires an immense amount of electricity, and it won't be viable until cheaper electricity is available ie nuclear. With the governments we have now and the whingers in our society you can bet your house on Aus not getting nuclear power, so we have more expensive and dirtier coal power. BMW have an engine that runs on Hydrogen, Mercedes does too. Ford have developed that V10 in the states that runs on it; it really comes down to the economics of the gas as well as storage and generation. Imagine the thickness of your fuel tank when you have to fill it up to 20,000kpa.

[crrrock]

For a bunch of petrol heads (supposedly) you sure are a bunch of dumb asses.
My wallet is my witness.
I rest my case.

crrrock

[XplosiveR6]

Originally Posted by crrrock

For a bunch of petrol heads (supposedly) you sure are a bunch of dumb asses.
My wallet is my witness.
I rest my case.

crrrock

So, if this woks so well for you, why do u still need to convert your car to lpg?

[CROC4D]

Originally Posted by XplosiveR6

So, if this woks so well for you, why do u still need to convert your car to lpg?

why convert to lpg?

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by crrrock

For a bunch of petrol heads (supposedly) you sure are a bunch of dumb asses.
My wallet is my witness.
I rest my case.

crrrock

Get over yourself.

People aren't idiots for using petrol. You're not superior to petrol users. The majority of the population don't have shacks in the backyards where they play with toys, instead they have full time jobs that will provide more than ample amounts of money required to fill a tank.


I think you need to understand that you're a pioneer and you're different, not superior.

You call us dumb ***** for using petrol. I could just as easily call you a dumb for devoting so much time into creating a device that will only save you $50 a week.

[andrewr]

Originally Posted by ltd

The problem with hydrogen is that it is more expensive in price at the moment than oil products, due to the costs associated with making it. Making Hydrogen from water is done through electrolysis which requires an immense amount of electricity, and it won't be viable until cheaper electricity is available ie nuclear. .

I harp on about this a lot, but I believe solar is the answer. Not solar cells, but using a solar tower to heat water and power a steam turbine, generate elictricity and make hydrogen. There are many solar towers already in operation in the world, they are not new technology. Currently the solar power plant can run for 8+ hours with no sun! (by melting salts and storing heat as molen salt). If you look at north west australia there is ample sun nearly 365 days a year.

I really believe in Australia we have no excuse not to use the sun. There is a lot of energy there to be tapped into.

Cheers
Andrew

[Laminge]

The only dumbasssess is the one that ****es off the admins, if you have to resort to name calling then try selling the lint in your belly button as a form of income, otherwise keep the posts clean

[crrrock]

I've decided not to fit LPG. I'll put the $2500 to better use now.
But, if I did fit LPG, that would be a cheaper cleaner fuel, that I could stretch further with my HHO.

crrrock

[snap]

Originally Posted by crrrock

I've decided not to fit LPG. I'll put the $2500 to better use now.
But, if I did fit LPG, that would be a cheaper cleaner fuel, that I could stretch further with my HHO.

crrrock

Where did you get the design for the set up and how much did it cost you to set it up?? That fellow that was on interview in America has got the contract with the armed forces and so far has passed all their testing. So there has to be something good about it. There will always be the knockers about new technology but who cares . Who would have thought back in the 1950-1960 , computers would be running cars in the future and now they have cars that park themselves!?

[TURBOTAXI]

There is a swag of info to sugget this has merit.

Even better is compressed air.

[Bad Bird]

As a physicist, I must say that no matter what, solar is inadequate for base-load power production. This is from someone IN the solar industry! Nuclear base-load, coupled with solar as you say would be a good solution. Too bad Australians love to complain about things they don't understand.

[andrewr]

Originally Posted by Bad Bird

As a physicist, I must say that no matter what, solar is inadequate for base-load power production. This is from someone IN the solar industry! Nuclear base-load, coupled with solar as you say would be a good solution. Too bad Australians love to complain about things they don't understand.

Yeah I agree with current technology, but for splitting water into hydrogen solar is perfect, as the plant doesn't need to run 24/7.

Although given that a solar tower in the US can provide full power output 8 hours after the sun sets, it won't be long before solar energy can be better stored. Melting salt, as simple as it sounds, works very well. Its just a matter of scaling it up and increacing the efficiency.

I'm not a fan of nuclear power. I know its not dangerous as such, but I believe as a society we need to work towards methods of power generation that leave nothing behind.. Zero emissions and zero waste.

This is getting a bit off topic though..

andrew.

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by Bad Bird

As a physicist, I must say that no matter what, solar is inadequate for base-load power production. This is from someone IN the solar industry! Nuclear base-load, coupled with solar as you say would be a good solution. Too bad Australians love to complain about things they don't understand.

As a physicist, i can understand why you appreciate nuclear. I also appreciate that you work in the Solar Industry. Is that in Voltaics?

I work in the Power Industry and have completed my Electrical Engineering and specialise in HV protection design. I have also worked in distribution, substation construction etc. Now, that we have each of our careers out of the way.

I say you're wrong. Base-load solar, as in solar thermal is a viable solution.

Just one example: A solar thermal base load station is being partly funded by the Queensland government and is to be built in Cloncurry.

Check out many of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloncur..._power_station
http://www.reuters.com/article/envir...22647720071104
www.ausra.com

An excerpt from the reuters article:
"Solar thermal power differs from photovoltaic panels that make power directly.

Instead, 8,000 mirrors will reflect sunlight onto graphite blocks. Water will be pumped through the blocks to generate steam which generates electricity via turbines.

Heat stored in the graphite produces steam well after the sun goes down, allowing electricity generators to keep running at night."

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I don't mean to offend, but it pains me that people who should know better, spread misinformation. So I repeat Solar Thermal Base Load is Viable.

[phillyc]

Well, back on topic.

I read in I believe it was Wheels where there was a car competing in the Solar / Eco Challenge run. He was running his car on diesel & salty water or something and getting awesome mileage. I guess it was a similar setup?

The guys were from NZ and attracting mass interest from the Automakers engineers who were in attendance...

[Bad Bird]

Originally Posted by phillyc

As a physicist, i can understand why you appreciate nuclear. I also appreciate that you work in the Solar Industry. Is that in Voltaics?

I work in the Power Industry and have completed my Electrical Engineering and specialise in HV protection design. I have also worked in distribution, substation construction etc. Now, that we have each of our careers out of the way.

I say you're wrong. Base-load solar, as in solar thermal is a viable solution.

Just one example: A solar thermal base load station is being partly funded by the Queensland government and is to be built in Cloncurry.

Check out many of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloncur..._power_station
http://www.reuters.com/article/envir...22647720071104
www.ausra.com

An excerpt from the reuters article:
"Solar thermal power differs from photovoltaic panels that make power directly.

Instead, 8,000 mirrors will reflect sunlight onto graphite blocks. Water will be pumped through the blocks to generate steam which generates electricity via turbines.

Heat stored in the graphite produces steam well after the sun goes down, allowing electricity generators to keep running at night."

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I don't mean to offend, but it pains me that people who should know better, spread misinformation. So I repeat Solar Thermal Base Load is Viable.

I don't consider it misinformation, just limitations based on what technology is available now. Base load, as you know, doesn't mean that the station can "produce electricity overnight". It means it can ALWAYS produce electricity no matter the conditions. If there was a week of overcast days, the electricity production would be greatly reduced.

I must say that it is nice to talk to someone in the industry though. I won't pretend I know everything (far from it!). If we can achieve base-load with solar using mirrors, that is a great development.