Hypothetical- GT-F6 Lite verisons

[barra240t]

Hey all,

I don't know everything about development of cars, but I was wondering could FPV make an ultralight verison of the F6 and GT and a reasonable price? Or an F6 ultralight light F6 with the Territory AWD system? You would think something like this would be the closest thing to a race car and may make them a future ledgend. Anyway just a question.

[4Vman]

Yep, they could make it out of that super strong, super light and cheap new metal called unobtanium...

[Smoke Pursuit]

how about making something like the XR8 sprint... put the BOSS 315 into a G6 with 19's / bobtail spoiler for 44 grand, id buy 2!

[Sprint347]

Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

how about making something like the XR8 sprint... put the BOSS 315 into a G6 with 19's / bobtail spoiler for 44 grand, id buy 2!

I'd sell my sprint for that!


What about an equivalent of the Holden SV8 but using the turbo barra?

Falcon body, sporty but 'non xr' interior and exterior but with the XR6-T motor for same RRP as the XR6-T ($39,990)

:yum:

[barra240t]

Originally Posted by nitrane

I'd sell my sprint for that!


What about an equivalent of the Holden SV8 but using the turbo barra?

Falcon body, sporty but 'non xr' interior and exterior but with the XR6-T motor for same RRP as the XR6-T ($39,990)

:yum:

Does the SV8 weigh much less to an SS?

I'd been keen to see a cheaper XR8 or XR6T with less options, I think it could work.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by barra240t

Does the SV8 weigh much less to an SS?

I'd been keen to see a cheaper XR8 or XR6T with less options, I think it could work.

Explain????

[Sprint347]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Explain????

What do you find confusing about this question?

I'll see if I can help out

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by barra240t

Does the SV8 weigh much less to an SS?

I'd been keen to see a cheaper XR8 or XR6T with less options, I think it could work.

Less than the standard? What would be missing? The air con, power steering & radio? How much lighter would this be and who .... especially in any numbers ..... would buy one? Order a stockie (NO premium stuff as thats too heavy), take the carpet and back seats out and that should shave .02 off the 1/4!



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[Airmon]

Originally Posted by barra240t

Does the SV8 weigh much less to an SS?

I'd been keen to see a cheaper XR8 or XR6T with less options, I think it could work.

For pretty much had this with the XT 3V V8, even though it wasnt an XR8 it was still a base spec V8, and apart from mainly enthusiasts buying them they have become as rare as Hens Teeth.

[Sprint347]

Originally Posted by Airmon

For pretty much had this with the XT 3V V8, even though it wasnt an XR8 it was still a base spec V8, and apart from mainly enthusiasts buying them they have become as rare as Hens Teeth.

The 3V made 20kw less than the turbo, used more fuel and doesn't respond to mods so wasn't that populer.

[BFXT54L]

Originally Posted by Airmon

Ford pretty much had this with the XT 3V V8, even though it wasnt an XR8 it was still a base spec V8, and apart from mainly enthusiasts buying them they have become as rare as Hens Teeth.

yeah, and they're a great car to. Shame they didnt continue it with the FG, Guess that just makes them even more unique.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

how about making something like the XR8 sprint... put the BOSS 315 into a G6 with 19's / bobtail spoiler for 44 grand, id buy 2!

Thats what the Devil R Should have been..

XR8 with a 290
Six Speed Manual Only
19's
Brembo 4/4

No Luxury stuff with decent springs and shocks..

[BeStRaFe]

they "tested" the terry 4x4 systems in a falcon body,
so i dont see why it would be that hard for them.

i would love a 4x4 falcon to stop the understeer
would also need a bloody good traction control system

[prydey]

bit like lambo gallardo superleggera!!

or just make one ferrari f40 style. don't need radio's and fancy doortrims and all that stuff. just some seats and pedals and a tiller.

[T3ts50]

Originally Posted by prydey

don't need radio's and fancy doortrims and all that stuff. just some seats and pedals and a tiller.

The only problem with that is, you will get a lot of people complaining that there 60K + falcon doesnt come with all the gear a 60K car should.

In saying that, I totally agree with you.

[Nikked]

Go down the road of the RS lancers or Type-R hondas.

Delete the electric seats, have a basic radio add some Recaros, some good lightweight wheels with grippy rubber and Some good Adjustable coilovers. Then up the boost a notch, (say, give it 330kw) and adjust the gearing...

[prydey]

the difference between an bf xt v8 and an fpv is about 105 - 115kg depending on model. seriously how much difference is that sort of weight going to make.

do people really buy cars based on 1/4 mile times. : even if they did would .2 or even .5 of a second really sway their decision to go without all the luxuries of any modern sports car.

seriously...

[chris0]

I understand the question at hand.
But i cant see why?
It has been done in the past. HSV did the clubsport dealer team spec (oz racing wheels, premium brakes and suspension) which made the car stop, and handle marginally better. Offered no more horse power, therefore was no faster.
I cant see FPV doing the same trick, i mean they had the 'R-Spec' suspension packages in the B series..
But to strip out the features such as air con, electric seats etc, and throw in maybe even another 'R-Spec' type option, you would have a pov pack interior FPV that saves 3/10th's around a racetrack.
That's my opinion why FPV havent created lite versions of there already stunning line up.

[Fev]

oh man an AWD F6 RS spec hehe that would be a cult car, the ford HERO car of the century. That would bring their rep up 100%!!! they could even have rallies, it would be a top contender in targa's and they could have an F6 Cup wooo



dreaming is so enjoyable though :(

[BlackLS]

Originally Posted by Fev

oh man an AWD F6 RS spec hehe that would be a cult car, the ford HERO car of the century. That would bring their rep up 100%!!! they could even have rallies, it would be a top contender in targa's and they could have an F6 Cup wooo



dreaming is so enjoyable though :(

HSV Coupe4 didn't cause too much excitement...

[barra240t]

Originally Posted by BlackLS

HSV Coupe4 didn't cause too much excitement...

Because it was too heavy, that was the reason I think?

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by barra240t

Because it was too heavy, that was the reason I think?

Adding AWD to any car will add weight... you need about 10% more power in an AWD application just to maintain 2WD performance in a straight line...

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by barra240t

Because it was too heavy, that was the reason I think?

I doubt many potential buyers were scared away from the Coupe4 because it was too heavy. How much heavier was it compared to a GTO? 2% more?

[barra240t]

Originally Posted by Rodp

I doubt many potential buyers were scared away from the Coupe4 because it was too heavy. How much heavier was it compared to a GTO? 2% more?

I justed checked it out, the Coupe4 was 140kg heavier then the coupe GTO.

[Fev]

Originally Posted by BlackLS

HSV Coupe4 didn't cause too much excitement...

but either did the other clubsports at the time. the F6 is fords current hero car(basicly) most car people know the potential - can you imagine lightening it(as its bloody heavy) and giving a 4wd option? damn fun car - of course its completely hypothetical - ford would never build anything like that, especially when its already losing so much money, that kind of development would cost huge amounts of money they definately dont have to spare

the lightening im thinking of is composite materials, lots of alloys etc.. like a FPV F6 built by Pagani lol
but as i said, its nice to dream

[Sprint347]

My holden friend tells me SV8's were 'slightly' lighter than SS's

[barra240t]

Well,

1. People like spending the least amount of money possible.
2. The same power/torque of a XR6T or XR8 with less weight from less options should be quicker then a fully optioned one.
3. Something new and exciting to put into the Falcon model range.
4. Sounds better then a limted run of sticker/option XR6T or XR8.

The list could go on!

The only reason I got thinking of a lighter car was from reading an old wheels/motor on the HRT427 and thought how good would it be to see what would happen if FPV did that to an F6....at a price though. The HRT427 died from being too expensive didn't it? If I was a Holden bloke, which I'm not, I would rather the 427 to the new thing thats out now.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by barra240t

Well,

1. People like spending the least amount of money possible.
2. The same power/torque of a XR6T or XR8 with less weight from less options should be quicker then a fully optioned one.
3. Something new and exciting to put into the Falcon model range.
4. Sounds better then a limted run of sticker/option XR6T or XR8.

The list could go on!

The only reason I got thinking of a lighter car was from reading an old wheels/motor on the HRT427 and thought how good would it be to see what would happen if FPV did that to an F6....at a price though. The HRT427 died from being too expensive didn't it? If I was a Holden bloke, which I'm not, I would rather the 427 to the new thing thats out now.

The current range is already exceptional value IMO, Ford need to build better quality cars for the current price, not "dumb it down" by building base spec fully sic road rockets just to keep the "must have it now" kids happy...
Ford need to entice people to spend more on cars... or aspire to the next model up, making a cheaper XR series will kill the current range and probably compromise quality even further.

[Dragoneletra]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

The current range is already exceptional value IMO, Ford need to build better quality cars for the current price, not "dumb it down" by building base spec fully sic road rockets just to keep the "must have it now" kids happy...
Ford need to entice people to spend more on cars... or aspire to the next model up, making a cheaper XR series will kill the current range and probably compromise quality even further.

If ford built a 'fully sic bruz' model falcon with AWD, lighter, more powerful etc....

I wouldn't buy it.

I just bought a 2008model falcon and the build quality is bad enough as it is. I wash the car and the paint falls off, it's done 6000kms and it creaks already, the well body feels like it moves, the steering shudders around left hand corners. It takes about an hour to go from park to reverse or neutral or drive to reverse, the drivers door interior trim squeeks, you can move the front bumper about 13mm forward or backward at the far sides of the car.

I could go on for ever.
Oh..and apparently all the above faults are normal apparently.

I love fords, but not so much the new ones anymore....

You're mad spending more for less, when you are getting less as it is. You look at the 'build quality' (NOT technology etc) that used to go into the cars 30 40 and 50 years ago, hell, my XW is in pieces, but I reckon in 5 years time it will be in better condition than my new BF.

I wouldn't buy a new modded lightened more powerful falcon for the same price as a bog stock bottom of the range one, let alone double the price.

But thats just me.

Jc

[flappist]

Originally Posted by barra240t

Hey all,

I don't know everything about development of cars, but I was wondering could FPV make an ultralight verison of the F6 and GT and a reasonable price? Or an F6 ultralight light F6 with the Territory AWD system? You would think something like this would be the closest thing to a race car and may make them a future ledgend. Anyway just a question.

In your sig you state you are the stock controller for pathetic ford so you should be quite aware of what configs heads actually BUY.

How many GTs sell without any options except the stripe package?
How many F6s sell with any options other than auto trans?
How many Cobras/GT40s were not povvo?

Cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, badge, cheap cheap, cheap.

Brembo brake upgrade, too much money, R-Spec, too much money, anything else, too much money.

How many new GT/F6 sales only just get finance after the 10th go?

How about a F6/GT with extreme luxury and subtle style, only $10k extra?
They had to be forced out the door.

How about better suspension for a couple of $k?
I bet they were rspected to sell a bit better than they did.

How about a go fast Terri with all the goodies?
Sales proofing probably should not have been a standard feature.

HSV tried the AWD sports car with the Coupe4 and made the best handling V8 ever sold in Australia. It is still much quicker on corners than even the FG, GTS or W427. Both of the cars sold go really well.

Building your AWD Supercar might be a good idea technically but you need to find a country to export them to because only dreamers will want them here and the idea is to SELL them....