Marked police cars curb motoring law breakers

Pedro · 08-01-2009, 08:13 PM

Qld Police report on Q-cars (unmarked cars)

Between 20 December 2007 and 31 March 2008 a trial of
two Q-cars was undertaken as part of the Government’s
commitment to reducing the number of deaths on our
roads. The aim of Q-cars is to target serial and dangerous
traffic offenders where other conventional traffic
enforcement strategies may not be effective.

During the trial period, Q-cars were deployed on 120
occasions and travelled 33 813 kilometres. 1,480 offences
were recorded, an average of 12 offences per deployment.
A large proportion of life endangering offences were
detected (1 210): 718 (59%) speeding offences; 183 (15%)
mobile phone offences; and 72 (6%) fail to wear seat
belt offences.

In comparison, two high visibility marked
vehicles detected 485 life endangering offences during the
same period.

The above except is from a Qld Police Dept. report. You will notice that unmarked police cars detected 223% more offences than marked police cars.

Surely then, the argument that more marked police cars on our roads will make drivers more law abiding is proven by their own internal report.

But of course the dept. can produce around 223% more revenue by using more Q-cars and we all know it’s about generating revenue … not saving lives!

Like speed cameras … don’t stop them speeding … just watch them doing it and grab the cash.

Rob's 76 Effy · 08-01-2009, 08:24 PM

Same old argument, do nothing wrong and you wont have a problem, unmarked cars have been in NSW for donkey years, just goes to show that ppl will flout the law when no visiable Police cars are around then cry foul when caught by an unmarked one, you have no-one to blame but yourself if you are caught, no if's or but's

Dodge · 08-01-2009, 08:39 PM

i agree, nsw and vic has many fixed cameras and unmarked cars, qld is far more relaxed on speeding cars.

Nikked · 08-01-2009, 08:49 PM

yeah, i wish the police did more "Visable Prevention of law breaking" rather then "get them after breaking the law"

Its all over the papers again, "Lets have harsher penalties for law breakers", all because some nut put his VTEC into a poll.

Prevention is better then fines.

More visable cops!

MITCHAY · 08-01-2009, 08:54 PM

Unmarked = bust people after doing the wrong thing
Marked = deter people from doing the wrong thing

4Vman · 08-01-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Unmarked = bust people after doing the wrong thing
Marked = deter people from doing the wrong thing

Intelligence = not doing the wrong thing in the first place

Nostalgia · 08-01-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Intelligence = not doing the wrong thing in the first place

Spot on 4Vman.

These threads regarding the Police Force, whether marked or unmarked, always amaze me.

Who care's, and why do you need to worry about it if you are doing the right thing out on the road's ?

I'm not perfect, far from it but christ, jump in your ride, go to where you need to go and do it within the law.

It's not hard to do.

XR6TCraig · 08-01-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Intelligence = not doing the wrong thing in the first place

Human= not being perfect enough to do the right thing 100% of the time!

Surely all of you 'dont do the wrong thing and you wont get caught' preachers aren't actually saying that you have never ever been in a situation where you have travelled at a speed faster than the posted limit?

Nostalgia · 08-01-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Craiginmackay

Human= not being perfect enough to do the right thing 100% of the time!

Correct but no human is behind the wheel 100% of their life !

XR6TCraig · 08-01-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostalgia

Correct but no human is behind the wheel 100% of their life !

So by your reasoning we are suppoosed to only stuff up when not in the car? Yeah right.Good luck with that Robotman!

Does that mean I can stuff up at a higher rate out of the car to make up for it?

4Vman · 08-01-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Craiginmackay

Human= not being perfect enough to do the right thing 100% of the time!

Surely all of you 'dont do the wrong thing and you wont get caught' preachers aren't actually saying that you have never ever been in a situation where you have travelled at a speed faster than the posted limit?

Sure, ive traveled over the limit, done silly things but im smart enough to exist harmlessly on the roads without the constant worry of who's watching.. as Nostalgia says, just get in your car and just drive by the rules!!!!
The amount of paranoia and panic about market or unmarked is just plain ridiculous.....

XR6TCraig · 08-01-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Sure, ive traveled over the limit, done silly things but im smart enough to exist harmlessly on the roads without the constant worry of who's watching.. as Nostalgia says, just get in your car and just drive by the rules!!!!
The amount of paranoia and panic about market or unmarked is just plain ridiculous.....

SO you do the wrong thing sometimes. But I thought Intelligence=not doing the wrong thing in the first place! Are you now admitting to not being intellegent enough?

I agree with the paranoia being ridiculous, but when people are being booked for walking pace over the speed limit, I can see why people get to be so paranoid. Unfortunately, you have to spend more time looking at the speedo than the road in some parts of the country or else get an infringement letter.

XBROO · 08-01-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Craiginmackay

Human= not being perfect enough to do the right thing 100% of the time!

Surely all of you 'dont do the wrong thing and you wont get caught' preachers aren't actually saying that you have never ever been in a situation where you have travelled at a speed faster than the posted limit?

I know it has been said a hundred times before, but it is easy in a new model car to speed without realising. So we are proberly all at some stage guilty of this but we are talking about dangerous driving not just a few kays over.

XR6TCraig · 08-01-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by XBROO

I know it has been said a hundred times before, but it is easy in a new model car to speed without realising. So we are proberly all at some stage guilty of this but we are talking about dangerous driving not just a few kays over.

I think a few ks over is worth a mention.

90+% of traffic related infringement notices are issued for those few ks over.

Nostalgia · 08-01-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by XBROO

I know it has been said a hundred times before, but it is easy in a new model car to speed without realising. So we are proberly all at some stage guilty of this but we are talking about dangerous driving not just a few kays over.

As i stated earlier, i'm far from perfect but as for your statement about speeding in new cars being easy, LMFAO.

Dosen't matter how new the car is, it still has a speedo.

MITCHAY · 08-01-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Intelligence = not doing the wrong thing in the first place

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GTpilot · 08-01-2009, 11:07 PM

Intelligence = Being able to do the wrong thing, and consistantly get away with it.

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Boring = not doing the wrong thing in the first place :newangel:

Dumbass = Doing the wrong thing, and keep getting busted. :gren:

Human = Being entitled to an opinion, Right or Wrong .

Laminge · 08-01-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jgb

Intelligence = Being able to do the wrong thing, and consistantly get away with it.

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Boring = not doing the wrong thing in the first place :newangel:

Dumbass = Doing the wrong thing, and keep getting busted. :gren:

Human = Being entitled to an opinion, Right or Wrong .

Laminge = Banning above users in cop threads!

Marduk · 08-01-2009, 09:06 PM

Surely preventing crimes from happening is far more important then catching people committing then.

jaydee · 08-01-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marduk

Surely preventing crimes from happening is far more important then catching people committing then.

If people aren't caught and fined appropriately whats the deterrent.
See a marked car, behave yourself, once out of sight go about driving like an idiot.
How many of us slow down for a speed camera then go back to 10 kays over the limit.
I reckon all cop cars should be unmarked except those attending an accident scene.
My 2 cents.

BOSS 540 · 09-01-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

If people aren't caught and fined appropriately whats the deterrent.
See a marked car, behave yourself, once out of sight go about driving like an idiot.
How many of us slow down for a speed camera then go back to 10 kays over the limit.
I reckon all cop cars should be unmarked except those attending an accident scene.
My 2 cents.

My 2 cents as well. Whats so bad about 10k's over?, hardly criminal behaviour is it? But in NSW you can loose half your licence during double demerit periods for such an offence. Hardly a punishment that fits the crime is it?, especially if it takes your licence or you loose your job. There are plenty of zones where the speed limit doesnt always seem appropriate to the road conditions. Sure every one speeds, its just drivers perceptions as to what is considered safe or appropriate. IMO 10ks over (in the dry) isnt that bad and certainly not worth the demerits where as 30 or 40km over could be considered very dangerous most of the time. For me its about driving to the conditions, road weather etc and simply being sensible about it. The laws are there for those that arnt sensible about it but this matters little when its comes to enforcement. Is speeding twice as dangerous during a long weekend? No, but extra drivers on the road means an opportunistic time for a cash grab and all those "horror" road toll messages.

XBROO · 08-01-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Marduk

Surely preventing crimes from happening is far more important then catching people committing then.

You are right in what you are saying, but who's going to pay their wages. The govenment will have to use more of our taxes that means less for the politicians. Can't have that how will they survive on less then triple figures.

Bucknaked · 08-01-2009, 09:08 PM

Whats a Q-Car?

**Burnout** · 08-01-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TXR

Whats a Q-Car?

Unmarked, can be identified these days by the large computer screen sticking up above the dash board.
You do have to be close though :hihi:

Rob's 76 Effy · 08-01-2009, 09:21 PM

Maybe all police cars should be unmarked, then ppl might think twice before committing an offence, we all know what is right and wrong on the roads so no use whinging about marked-unmarked cars nabbing ppl, if you cant pay the fine don't do the crime, those stats just go to show what stupid things ppl do without a visual presence

XBROO · 08-01-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Explorer_Me

Maybe all police cars should be unmarked, then ppl might think twice before committing an offence, we all know what is right and wrong on the roads so no use whinging about marked-unmarked cars nabbing ppl, if you cant pay the fine don't do the crime, those stats just go to show what stupid things ppl do without a visual presence

Very hard argument! Yes on one hand they will catch more people. On the other without the present of marked cars, then the idiots will cut loose. And it's a bit late to book them if they have lost it into another car and kill themselfs and an innocent family.

GS608 · 08-01-2009, 09:28 PM

i thought they'd been using unmarked cars in QLD for ages?

saw an FG XT with two huge aerials sitting on either side of the boot the other week, wasnt sure if it was a cop car? if it was they are hopeless drivers, couldn't park the damn thing lol

azaxr8 · 08-01-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro

Qld Police report on Q-cars (unmarked cars)

Between 20 December 2007 and 31 March 2008 a trial of
two Q-cars was undertaken as part of the Government’s
commitment to reducing the number of deaths on our
roads. The aim of Q-cars is to target serial and dangerous
traffic offenders where other conventional traffic
enforcement strategies may not be effective.

During the trial period, Q-cars were deployed on 120
occasions and travelled 33 813 kilometres. 1,480 offences
were recorded, an average of 12 offences per deployment.
A large proportion of life endangering offences were
detected (1 210): 718 (59%) speeding offences; 183 (15%)
mobile phone offences; and 72 (6%) fail to wear seat
belt offences.

In comparison, two high visibility marked
vehicles detected 485 life endangering offences during the
same period.

Good job getting those speeders and raising revenue all while we innocent citizens are getting robbed, bashed, stabbed. I know which one i rather be increased.

Rob's 76 Effy · 08-01-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by azaxr8

Good job getting those speeders and raising revenue all while we innocent citizens are getting robbed, bashed, stabbed. I know which one i rather be increased.

I was wondering how long it would take for a comment like that to be posted

XR6_190 · 08-01-2009, 11:10 PM

Putting more marked cop cars on the streets won't do anything to stop people from doing the wrong thing, not unless they have a cop car on every street, and no government in this country can afford that.

People might think it's purely revenue raising, but the way I see it, unmarked Highway patrol cars are very useful, in the case of most idiots on the road, they will only stop driving like an idiot (doughnuts, excessive speed, etc) when they see a marked cop car, so even if marked police presence was heightened, it wouldn't stop the majority, but if they get a ticket when they thought nobody was watching, they might think again.

And yes I have done stupid things in my car, the difference is when I was booked, I didn't blame the system, or the cops, I blamed my self, something more people need to do