Major Chains and Petrol Discount *(Warning:- Maths Content)*

[RedHotGT]

Hi Guys,

Just wondering if anyone has pondered this.... Maybe its just me because I wear glasses *(IE: perceived as a nerd)*...

BUT... I think that the fuel discount will drop very soon from Safeway/Coles, back to 2c (which I think was what it was when it came out)... And here is my reasoning...

When fuel was $1.50 a litre, you could get 4c per litre off your fuel bill... So say I put in $50 of fuel (33.33litres) you would receive a $1,33 discount (around 2.5%) off the price...
Now fuel can be bought at 99c per litre, I put in $50 and get 50.50litres of fuel, which now gives me $2.02 discount (around 4.1%) off the price....

Now - I accept that we're only talking 70c here, to you and I.... but are there any other businesses out there that discount you MORE when the price of the product goes down? I would think not..... :

And I would think that in this global economic time - blah blah blah - that the bigwigs at these 2 companies will be thinking of making some money somewhere....

Just an interesting fact that I thought I would bring to light...

I'm interested to hear anyones thoughts on this....

Loftie

[burnz]

yes but the petrol they sell is marked up 5.5cpl above retail,(still 1.5 cpl dearer than an independant)
plus you pay with your grocery's

[Rodp]

Dropping the discount would be suicide for the whole grocery/petrol process. Start messing with the 4c shopper dockets and the numbnuts that will queue for an hour to save $2 in fuel might rub their two braincells together and realise they were being duped in the first place.

Around my area, there are a number of stations where petrol is actually cheaper than the 4c discounted petrol and there are certainly more than enough grocery chains that are cheaper than Coles and Woolworths.

Maths has nothing to do with it, it's all about exploiting the stupid.

[RedHotGT]

Originally Posted by Rodp

Maths has nothing to do with it, it's all about exploiting the stupid.

Sadly about 45 mins from Melb in the Northwest where I live, we've only got 6 servo's (i think)... 3 of which participate in the discount fuel dockets, and the other 3 are run by, well lets say out-of-towners from India, that use binoculars to check the prices up the road, then they match it....

And I will NEVER put that ethanol blend rubbish in the car....
10% ethanol, but its not 10% cheaper?? hmmm....

[escapin]

but its 4c a litre off and if i spend $5 in store they give me another 2c a litre off id be crazy not to go for that :

[xr8 utey]

Originally Posted by 97liberty

but its 4c a litre off and if i spend $5 in store they give me another 2c a litre off id be crazy not to go for that :

shell/coles express spend $2 in-store 2c extra off per litre

caltex/woolworths spend $5 in-store 4c extra off per litre

but i stress i only buy in store goods that i cannot purchase any cheaper anywhere else eg: every wednesday auto action mag $5.60 servo, $5.60 newsagent.
yesterday shell mt annan(nsw) 91ron 99.5c litre
shell liverpool 91ron 95.5c litre and they are owned by the same franchisee!

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by xr8 utey

but i stress i only buy in store goods that i cannot purchase any cheaper anywhere else eg: every wednesday auto action mag $5.60 servo, $5.60 newsagent.
yesterday shell mt annan(nsw) 91ron 99.5c litre
shell liverpool 91ron 95.5c litre and they are owned by the same franchisee!

That's reasonable but the Shell at Liverpool is one of those stations that normally has a queue spilling out onto the road most times of the day... and on a Tuesday night, blocks the Macca's traffic (perhaps there is a silver lining).

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Rodp

That's reasonable but the Shell at Liverpool is one of those stations that normally has a queue spilling out onto the road most times of the day... and on a Tuesday night, blocks the Macca's traffic (perhaps there is a silver lining).

and if they drove to the mobil on elizabeth drive it will be 2 cpl cheaper again.

[prydey]

the lpg tank/s in my wagon are 115L capacity. if i fill them (normally around 100L) and use a 4c voucher and then grab a magazine (same price wherever they are sold) to recieve an additional 4c off, then basically the magazine is free. lpg pricing never varies that much from servo to servo so the free magazine is well worth it.

i guess i'm stupid!!

also, i have a woolies rewards card. we do a fair share of our shopping at woolies so its not like i'm going there to get a discount on my fuel. the prices are the same or similar to every other supermarket in the area. some things are dearer, some are cheaper. at the end of the day the total is ballpark the same wherever you go.

on a standard 60L petrol fill i never used them but now that i'm buying more fuel, its got advantages.

i shop at woolies and use fuel voucher - i must be really stupid :

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by 97liberty

but its 4c a litre off and if i spend $5 in store they give me another 2c a litre off id be crazy not to go for that :

So you've been exploited twice. The markup on the $5+ you paid in the shop would be well beyond the $1 you saved in fuel discount.

I've got nothing against using the dockets if you've got them or buying something in the shop, provided;

You haven't done it specifically to save money (because you've been gouged for far more than you've saved) or,

You didn't queue for an hour (especially on a Tuesday night), blocking traffic, to save $2 at the pump.

As I've said before, looking at the results of these shopper dockets, whoever thought of the idea is a genius. I'd have called them an idiot if they came to me with the idea but I guess I underestimated the amount of gullible people out there.

[Iggypoppin']

premium no docket for me I've never really cared about fuel costs just put in and fill up when it needs, hurt a bit when premium was 1.80 a liter but you sacrifice for your car. In those months I didn't drink as much. Forget saving 4c off a litre anyway it's rubbish just for the simple minded

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by SLWXR6

premium no docket for me I've never really cared about fuel costs just put in and fill up when it needs, hurt a bit when premium was 1.80 a liter but you sacrifice for your car. In those months I didn't drink as much. Forget saving 4c off a litre anyway it's rubbish just for the simple minded

As I've said here before, and will continue to say,

If you can't afford the fuel, you can't afford the car.

People are sheep, and will do anything to save a dollar. If they can't realise that Coles and Woolworths jack the price of their fuel up to cover their associated costs. What seems too good to be true usually is.

[irlewy86]

Loftie,

Transport companies have started to pass on savings from fuel surcharge cuts, however I doubt the major chains have yet. Besides they actually make money with the discount program anyway.

[GTP-814]

Get rid of the dockets so users will see the real price & start supporting the true discount kings...the Independants

[Sorted]

Originally Posted by GTP-814

Get rid of the dockets so users will see the real price & start supporting the true discount kings...the Independants

Got my petrol at 98.5c last night from my Local Independant Servo

So sucks to be you to the ppl who went to get 4c off or even 6c and wait in a line wasting petrol to buy off thier Scummy *** Discount Servo who paid $1.15 minus their discount

I use to wait in lines when i was younger to get into Clubs or Pubs but that was when i was young - I am not going to wait in line for Petrol Pfffffffffffft

[fiery]

Originally Posted by Sorted

Got my petrol at 98.5c last night from my Local Independant Servo

So sucks to be you to the ppl who went to get 4c off or even 6c and wait in a line wasting petrol to buy off thier Scummy *** Discount Servo who paid $1.15 minus their discount

I use to wait in lines when i was younger to get into Clubs or Pubs but that was when i was young - I am not going to wait in line for Petrol Pfffffffffffft

So I shouldn't tell you that I got mine for 89.9c yesterday afternoon after my 4c off docket. Oh and no waiting either, drove in, up to the pump and fuelled up :

I don't use BP fuel (yes even though I work for them) as my car doesn't seem to like it (pings like a youknowwhat) and again, it is simply a creature of habit. Have always shopped woolies and always bought from Caltex.

My choice

[Sorted]

Originally Posted by fiery

So I shouldn't tell you that I got mine for 89.9c yesterday afternoon after my 4c off docket. Oh and no waiting either, drove in, up to the pump and fuelled up :

Your in a diff state with diff prices silly............lol When i went the Cheapy. wait in line, pertol stattions were $1.15, my local independant was 98.5

9 out of 10 times when i need petrol I laugh at the lines you have to wait to get your 4c off - my time is money and i aint waiting in line for 4c off pfffffffft

[Jastel]

Another Angle...

I have LPG taxis and can never get enough discount vouchers from Coles/Shell, (Woolies/Caltex dont sell LPG here)

For a while I had a contact who worked in a Coles liquor shop, he gave me all the unused vouchers he had, most people dont want a receipt for a carton of beer so I used them up.

After a month or 2 some beancounter must have noticed an increase in vouchers from that shop being used at that servo and my contact got in trouble and was told to tear up all the unwanted vouchers and not give them to me (or anybody else)

So somebody has paid for a discount, the receipt is already printed out automatically but he doesn't want it but no one else can use it??

I buy wherever it is cheapest with 180000 litres a year it all adds up.

Now I am back to asking the grannys if I can have theirs, LOL.

[Iggypoppin']

damn right paxton!! I use around 50 dollars of fuel a week... But I could afford 100 easily! I know people who don't insure their v8 cos they need to pay for fuel?? Wtf.... Stupid to have purchased the car in first place

[vztrt]

lol, I throw all my dockets out. Prob cause I wont use Shell or Caltex.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by vztrt

lol, I throw all my dockets out. Prob cause I wont use Shell or Caltex.

Yeah, me too, I have Source card and grocery dockets from Coles that would save me 8 cents per litre, but I've since found BP makes the Ghia run noticeably better, even if its 91 RON.

And my wifes Polo needs 95 RoN. I used to get that from Shell but since they changed those pumps to e10 recently, its only 94 RoN. I wont use the higher octane stuff they sell either, so its BP 95 RoN for that car also, and again it seems to have more power now.

And my toy cars. its BP Ultimate anyway.

[Iggypoppin']

dockets=donkeys. you people who do use them, realise that woolworths are a very OVERPRICED supermarket? in order to recieve the docket you pay too much for the goods anyway, then they give u two dollars discount(not really) and you think your saving money??
to look at it another way...if u save 2 bucks a week(supposedly) and you fill up once a week, you (supposedly) save around a hundred bucks a year....supposedly. but u dont. because your stupid. if you use the dockets...

[Buzz Box]

Has anyone else noticed that since the dockets came in 98 ron is a 13c premium now when it use to be 10c premium?

Also lately the servos are flogging the E10 with 4c's off and don't show the normal unleaded price only the E10 and 4c off the E10 so as you drive past your like WOW thats 8c cheaper than XYZ till you look closer and realise.

Well at least thats what the Shells near where I work are doing.....

[TITO]

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You have already paid an inflated price for your grocceries at the super market which covers the cost of the 4 cent discount at the servo this is a fact and has been proved by the news shows and on talkback radio. Its marketing and lots of people go for it plus the 4cents would never go to 2 cents you should be able to work out why. Instead of thinking about this a few adult web sites would be better.

[balthazarr]

Originally Posted by TITO

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You have already paid an inflated price for your grocceries at the super market which covers the cost of the 4 cent discount at the servo this is a fact and has been proved by the news shows and on talkback radio. Its marketing and lots of people go for it plus the 4cents would never go to 2 cents you should be able to work out why. Instead of thinking about this a few adult web sites would be better.

While I agree with what you are saying regarding supermarkets, their overpriced goods and the ridiculous "discount" docket scheme... I had to laugh at your comment on talk-back radio.

[TITO]

Originally Posted by balthazarr

While I agree with what you are saying regarding supermarkets, their overpriced goods and the ridiculous "discount" docket scheme... I had to laugh at your comment on talk-back radio.

Bad choice of examples I guess.

Would not go down to two cents they would just jack up the prices on grocceries to keep it at four cents.

[gz1]

To get a shopper docket you need to spend a min of $30.00. This entitles you to a saving of 4c/liter up to a max of 150 liters (I think, it'a long time since I checked, feel free to correct). That means the absolute max discount you can get is limited to $6.00.
Problem is twofold.
First whilst spending that $30.00, you have been overcharged by between $4 to $6.00 if not more, depending on what you have bought. Most pple though spend way more than the $30.00 cause they do their weekly shopping. In which case they are being oveercharged by approx $15 to $28.00. Most pple also don't fill up with 150 liters of fuel, they only fill up with an avg of 60 liters. That means a massive fuel discount of $2.40 or a net lossof $3.60 to achieve this discount.
The above savings are from personal experience with the average weekly saving when I swapped over from Coles broadway to supabarn (independant supermarket at five dock).
So by giving up a $2.40 discount on the fuel voucher, I have gained between $15.00 to $28.00 savings on the groceries. Which would you pick?.
If you don't believe that coles and woolies are overcharging by that ammount do your own comparison. or try this: find a coles/woolies near an independant supermarket, check their prices and then go to a coles/woolies at a place where there are no independants nearby. You will be shocked at the difference.

Tell you what though, I'm prepared to offer anyone a 10c discount per liter on your next tank fill, and you don't even have to buy anything from me. Just hand me over $28.00 before you fill and I'll give you that discount.

[eb2fairmont]

I used to work for these clowns (Coles). The stupidity of the public in this 4cent deal is nothing short of disgraceful. As has already been said you pay 30 bucks to get the discount docket. Ever thought how much Coles and Woolies make in profit on that 30 bucks? What if I told you its around 30-50%?

The whole point behind these schemes was to keep the punters coming into the shop. That's where the money is made. Your loyality as a customer is worth the measly six buks they'd give you as discount. Long term its all about getting rid of independents and creating a duopoly.

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Cheers

David

[Auslandau]

Obviously not many here shop for groceries and are all self sufficient! Great stuff .... but I cant be bothered milking cows and chopping heads of chickens to eat.

Me? I go to the grocery store and if there is a docket at the end of the receipt I will use it to get my few dollars back ...... its either Coles, Safeway or the little IGA and not much more of a choice, but you all would rather throw a few bucks in the bin and let them keep it? Who are the smart ones? :



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[prydey]

Originally Posted by auslandau

Obviously not many here shop for groceries and are all self sufficient! Great stuff .... but I cant be bothered milking cows and chopping heads of chickens to eat.

Me? I go to the grocery store and if there is a docket at the end of the receipt I will use it to get my few dollars back ...... its either Coles, Safeway or the little IGA and not much more of a choice, but you all would rather throw a few bucks in the bin and let them keep it? Who are the smart ones? :

exactly! i don't shop just to get my 4c off. i'm pretty sure i shopped at the same stores before the scheme came in.