Are all car clubs hoons?

[Foylema]

In Adelaide there have been a number of hoon story's and its making it hard for other clubs to have meet becuase the police keep show up and defecting every little thing. Are other states having this same problem?

The All Car Club spoke to channel 7 about this to make things clear!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQA1s4I12ow

[AUIIForte]

Didn't watch the clip, but I guess if the 'good' car clubs have nothing to hide and aren't doing anything illegal, they have nothing to hide and the police problem wouldn't be a problem.

Also if you have defects on your car, you shouldn't be driving it.

[JutroXR8]

Originally Posted by AUIIForte

Didn't watch the clip, but I guess if the 'good' car clubs have nothing to hide and aren't doing anything illegal, they have nothing to hide and the police problem wouldn't be a problem.

Also if you have defects on your car, you shouldn't be driving it.

you dont necessarily need to have something wrong with your car to get a canery. but i dont wont to go into this...it'll just end up in another cops bashing/hoons exercise.

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by JutroXR8

you dont necessarily need to have something wrong with your car to get a canery. but i dont wont to go into this...it'll just end up in another cops bashing/hoons exercise.

yes you do

each state has different rules ect and if your car does not fall into those rules it is not legal to drive on that states roads

my car is prob just borderline here in vic

this is not about the cars that were put off the road but why were they put off the road

i watched the vid that was posted and yes there was a guy that done a burnout/skid what ever you want to call it and that is what got the police interested not the fact that there was a car club meet

it is a culture that we as car club people need to show the right side of it all and show the police that not all are in the hoon status just because we are part of a car club

Grimus

[fairmont1998]

Originally Posted by JutroXR8

you dont necessarily need to have something wrong with your car to get a canery

Originally Posted by Grimus

yes you do

No you don't. The police only have to "suspect" your car is unroadworthy to canary it. You then have to prove its roadworthy when it gets inspected.

[steamin63]

Originally Posted by fairmont1998

No you don't. The police only have to "suspect" your car is unroadworthy to canary it. You then have to prove its roadworthy when it gets inspected.

the sad truth is that like everywhere in life you will meet the good and the bad. i was pulled over by an old senior seargent a couple of days after i bought the coupe and chatted to him on the side of the road for half an hour because he use to own an xc coupe himself and was currently doing up an xy fairmont. a dead set top bloke and he knew his stuff. a couple of weeks later i was pulled over by a boofhead who wouldn't know a honda from a hyundai and he tried to defect my "mustang". i let him waffle on for a bit before i showed him my still current roadworthy certificate and after that he lost interest and left. like i said you get your good ones and your bad ones. same goes for car enthusiasts. cheers.

[XBROO]

We don't have that problem in QLD, but what I don't understand is how dose the cops know when your going on a cruise? When I sent out newsletters I only send it to members of the car club. But if it's a public one with more then one club then I suppose it would be more advertise. We have a few Friday night meeting spots and the cops are there but don't hassel you unless you are doing something wrong.

AUIIForte: If your driving a 30 year old car and the cops look hard enough they'll find something. Even if it's just miss matched tyres which sucks owning a hardtop because even if you run 265's all round they still look like cheese cutters on the back. But thankfully the cops around here are mostly looking for ricers. Alot of the coppers appreciate the muscle cars around here.

[fiery]

Originally Posted by XBROO

We don't have that problem in QLD, but what I don't understand is how dose the cops know when your going on a cruise? When I sent out newsletters I only send it to members of the car club. But if it's a public one with more then one club then I suppose it would be more advertise. We have a few Friday night meeting spots and the cops are there but don't hassel you unless you are doing something wrong.

AUIIForte: If your driving a 30 year old car and the cops look hard enough they'll find something. Even if it's just miss matched tyres which sucks owning a hardtop because even if you run 265's all round they still look like cheese cutters on the back. But thankfully the cops around here are mostly looking for ricers. Alot of the coppers appreciate the muscle cars around here.

I have to agree that there isn't really an issue in QLD. Every cruise (event) we are involved with (be it our club or AFF) I always notify the Police of the area and they have always been fantastic.

Sadly there will always be one or two morons hitting the newspapers (or other media outlets) bringing a bad light on car clubs, but if clubs ensure their members are behaving then you can alter people's general opinion possibly.

I think the most stupid thing lately I have noticed is a wally posted a video of him doing a burnout in a street. This was only seen by me because people have the 'send to friends & network.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by AUIIForte

Also if you have defects on your car, you shouldn't be driving it.

there are many police who abuse their power. they may even be a minority. i've had my share of run ins with them, the most recent couple for driving talking on phone and for creeping over the white line whilst traffic lights were red.

the 2nd incident the cop was a complete moron. i got done for running a red when clearly i didn't. he claimed my whole car was over, i claimed it wasn't, can't argue with cops.

the first incident i mentioned, the cop was a top bloke. i was obviously in the wrong, we both knew that and we had a nice chat.

i've seen many incidences where the cops idea of the correct rules differ somewhat to the transport s.a. rules. where the problem lies though is that once you are defected you have to take your car through the inspection centre where they don't just look at the particular area that was defected but the whole car gets a going over.

my car for example, has been through regency (s.a. inspection centre) as i bought it interstate and it failed for ride height. i got the legal specs off them, and redid my suspension to these specs and got it passed. i've since heard of cars being defected (same model) for a ride height higher than mine.

people often say kings superlow springs are just under legal height and yet i have supers in the front and ultra's in the rear and mine is o.k according to regency.

for this reason i wouldn't like a cop nosing around my car just because i decided to take part in a cruise. most car club members look after the critical areas of the car much better than the rest of the population!

i'm sure there are many others who feel the same way.

i'm not against cops. they have a tough job and i applaud them for it. i just don't want any attention UNTIL i break the law, not BEFORE i do. i have a modified v8 but never will i compromise the safety aspects of the car. i guess some aren't like that and the police feel they are stopping potential hazards.

[RG]

Those who choose to take the opportunity in this thread to "police bash" will be given a 24hr ban.

[vztrt]

Car clubs aren't all hoons. But unfortunately you get the morons there that think they're awesome by being idiots.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...-29277,00.html

The above story is an example of this mind you the story says that the photographer was a passer by was the photographer. Actually the photographer is a moderator in this car club (he is a mate of mine). He also knew exactly what to do so these people would be identified. The car club in question actually have been giving the license plate numbers to the police for years now but naturally nothing can be done cause there wasn't enough evidence.

[95falcon]

Originally Posted by vztrt

The above story is an example of this mind you the story says that the photographer was a passer by was the photographer. Actually the photographer is a moderator in this car club (he is a mate of mine).

Dog act.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by 95falcon

Dog act.

How is it a dog act? They're ripping burnouts in a car park full of people and throwing stones all over the place. The club has been saying that this will not be tolerated for years.

[Fev]

Originally Posted by vztrt

How is it a dog act? They're ripping burnouts in a car park full of people and throwing stones all over the place. The club has been saying that this will not be tolerated for years.

Why is the club keeping them around? If they were known hoons why bring them out???




btw anyone notice how the only Ford there was owned by the responsible bloke? everything else was a commo - supports the statistics i guess lol

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Fev

Why is the club keeping them around? If they were known hoons why bring them out???

This club doesn't have members paying fees so its open to everyone. Also when they can get 500 cars to a cruise your not gonna know everyone. Nor should they say that only these people are allowed to go. Hopefully now the morons will actually stay away.

[tazza255]

Originally Posted by 95falcon

Dog act.

not really, you hoon you pay,

the cops are there to do their job and go home at the end of the shift
if there is a defect on your car expect to pay for it,

I recently bought my ZJ i actually went to the blue slipping station and asked to be checked for defects,

one time i had a pod filter in my ricer, cops pulled me up asked for a under bonnet check they seen it had a laugh with me and we both went our ways but because i had a laugh with them i came out with no fine and removed the pod the next day.

cheers,

[JC]

Originally Posted by 95falcon

Dog act.

Why is that? The idiots were doing burnouts en masse - they get deserve whatever is coming their way.

The club I used to be in (ACT FPV/XR club) does not tolerate any hoon-type behaviour. Any reports to the club are taken seriously, and the member can be asked to leave and not come back (and no, I am not a member because of that; I don't own a car that qualifies for membership!).

[dave289]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Car clubs aren't all hoons. But unfortunately you get the morons there that think they're awesome by being idiots.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...-29277,00.html

The above story is an example of this mind you the story says that the photographer was a passer by was the photographer. Actually the photographer is a moderator in this car club (he is a mate of mine). He also knew exactly what to do so these people would be identified. The car club in question actually have been giving the license plate numbers to the police for years now but naturally nothing can be done cause there wasn't enough evidence.

not sure I agree with what your MATE has done.yes these guys were idiots ,I saw no footage so dont know how severe it was ,but 3 were 19 ,2 were 21 and another 20,did you guys never speed or do a burnout when you were young, this act is the same as dobbing on your class mates(something that was not even considered an option when I was in primary school by anyone,yes we had a code back then and EVERYBODY stuck with it)so to me it was low to say the least. while we have young drivers we will ALWAYS have speeding and burnouts .and to think these guys lost their car over it(something that we would never have copped in our day) .I thought for a minute your mate might be a copper ,but thinking about it a copper would not be so stupid as to join a club and then go and nark on anybody like this, a copper would not be this low.hope I never go to a meet with your MATE ,I might churp the tyres ,he will film me and then I will lose my car. :

[FPV+fteT3]

Very disappointing to attend a car show and see the goings on when so called enthousiasts leave, anyone attending the shannons sponsored event at tomago knows what i am talking about every 2nd car does a skid for the crowd and then everyone gets shirty when the cops arrive and start handing out defects and fines. The cops dont really want to to this but they would be remiss if they didn't stop people from hurting themselves or others.

Doesn't take much self control not to pull a big burnout. The so called enthousiasts then get upset when the club that holds the event considers pulling out from the bad publicity surrounding the goings on.

[XABEBAGT]

Those who think there is nothing wrong with doing a burnout when leaving an organised venue should spare a thought for the organisers who have to front the police, the local residents and the club members when this sort of rubbish goes on. I love a burnout as much as anyone and have pulled a few in my time but there is a place for everything and leaving an organised venue where the organisers cop the flack is not it. If you have to do it, then do it annonomously where ONLY YOU are responsible for it. It does nothing to enhanse the organised muscle car movement when idiots speed or do burnouts in residential areas while the residents are watching. It also makes venues reluctant to have the group back again.

[smciner1]

Originally Posted by XABEBAGT

Those who think there is nothing wrong with doing a burnout when leaving an organised venue should spare a thought for the organisers who have to front the police, the local residents and the club members when this sort of rubbish goes on. I love a burnout as much as anyone and have pulled a few in my time but there is a place for everything and leaving an organised venue where the organisers cop the flack is not it. If you have to do it, then do it annonomously where ONLY YOU are responsible for it. It does nothing to enhanse the organised muscle car movement when idiots speed or do burnouts in residential areas while the residents are watching. It also makes venues reluctant to have the group back again.

Very true Keith, we had a similar problem orgaising a Muscle Car Show in Victoria a few years ago as one Venue didn't want us back because a few people ripped Skids leaving. Those few made it hard for the rest of us.

Same again for the FPV Day a few Years ago. People ripped Skids leaving, FPV didn't like it (as they shouldn't) so they notified the Police and the next year 90% of the Entrants receieved letters from the EPA to present their Cars. If everyone behaved themselves in the preceeding Years, it would have avoided all the hassles.

Once again, the few Idiots spoiled it for the rest of us and gave the Car Clubs in general a bad name.

[SNB05T]

Originally Posted by XABEBAGT

Those who think there is nothing wrong with doing a burnout when leaving an organised venue should spare a thought for the organisers who have to front the police, the local residents and the club members when this sort of rubbish goes on. I love a burnout as much as anyone and have pulled a few in my time but there is a place for everything and leaving an organised venue where the organisers cop the flack is not it. If you have to do it, then do it annonomously where ONLY YOU are responsible for it. It does nothing to enhanse the organised muscle car movement when idiots speed or do burnouts in residential areas while the residents are watching. It also makes venues reluctant to have the group back again.

exactly mate.
the last two years, i've organised the cruise for cancer. we've had all types of cars and bikes come along and even the occasional idiot (one we kicked off the cruise as well as the unmarked cop car behind him getting him for smoking it up).

each year we notify the cops of the exact cruise route and finishing point and apart from the above two idiots out of 300+ cars we've had no problems.

mind you last year we had POLAIR circling us at the start and 8 marked and unmarked units meet us at the end (with a majority of them coming over for a snag and softie : )

99% of car clubs (and not just ford clubs) are very strict on their members and what they do at offical club events, and members know the consequenses of their actions.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by dave289

not sure I agree with what your MATE has done.yes these guys were idiots ,I saw no footage so dont know how severe it was ,but 3 were 19 ,2 were 21 and another 20,did you guys never speed or do a burnout when you were young, this act is the same as dobbing on your class mates(something that was not even considered an option when I was in primary school by anyone,yes we had a code back then and EVERYBODY stuck with it)so to me it was low to say the least. while we have young drivers we will ALWAYS have speeding and burnouts .and to think these guys lost their car over it(something that we would never have copped in our day) .I thought for a minute your mate might be a copper ,but thinking about it a copper would not be so stupid as to join a club and then go and nark on anybody like this, a copper would not be this low.hope I never go to a meet with your MATE ,I might churp the tyres ,he will film me and then I will lose my car. :

These people are asked not to do it. Its an organised event so doesn't matter. If they did it on their own then if they get caught that it there problem.

[Poetic Justice]

Originally Posted by dave289

not sure I agree with what your MATE has done.yes these guys were idiots ,I saw no footage so dont know how severe it was ,but 3 were 19 ,2 were 21 and another 20,did you guys never speed or do a burnout when you were young, this act is the same as dobbing on your class mates(something that was not even considered an option when I was in primary school by anyone,yes we had a code back then and EVERYBODY stuck with it)so to me it was low to say the least. while we have young drivers we will ALWAYS have speeding and burnouts .and to think these guys lost their car over it(something that we would never have copped in our day) .I thought for a minute your mate might be a copper ,but thinking about it a copper would not be so stupid as to join a club and then go and nark on anybody like this, a copper would not be this low.hope I never go to a meet with your MATE ,I might churp the tyres ,he will film me and then I will lose my car. :

Chirping your tyres in my opinion is far different to letting a massive stand still rip... or, in the worst offenders case, doing doughnuts in a busy intersection and having cars stopped because of what you were doing.

I mean think about it... is chirping your tyres going to create sufficient smoke/noise to be captured by a camera? I don't believe it would - therefore you're not really making a valid point. If you chose to let loose, fish tail your car 150 metres down the road like one of the offenders who had his car impounded.... then perhaps you will have called cause for reporting you. Would you agree?

I mean... let's take the next post for example:

Originally Posted by XABEBAGT

Those who think there is nothing wrong with doing a burnout when leaving an organised venue should spare a thought for the organisers who have to front the police, the local residents and the club members when this sort of rubbish goes on. I love a burnout as much as anyone and have pulled a few in my time but there is a place for everything and leaving an organised venue where the organisers cop the flack is not it. If you have to do it, then do it annonomously where ONLY YOU are responsible for it. It does nothing to enhanse the organised muscle car movement when idiots speed or do burnouts in residential areas while the residents are watching. It also makes venues reluctant to have the group back again.

I myself am one of the main organisers of the event that was mentioned in the news recently. I was the one who had to stand there trying to warn people not to misbehave when they were leaving the carpark. I was also the one after this had all happened and the police were on hand impounding the person I mentioned earlier who was caught doing doughnuts in a busy intersection in front of a police car.. I was one of a few people who had to front the cops and tell them what was going on. At this point, we are seen as responsible for it happening. The police initially do not understand what is taking place and assume the worst... some sort of riot, some sort of drag and burnout meet... and it takes a while to convince them of the truth.

And hence you end up with an article in the paper - because they indeed do understand that we were for the most part trying to do the right thing in having a cruise to raise funds ($2090 raised) for the bushfire victims etc.

Now understand this. I'm a car enthusiast just as anyone else is. I've had my mistakes of the past and have also been a statistic as far as car impounds go. I also don't choose to misbehave when there is 1000 people and several hundred cars all in close proximity.. it's like trying to do a burnout in a shopping centre car park... it's just stupid.

Unfortunately, people choose to make their own decisions and when you are running cruises in Melbourne which attract 500, 600+ cars I can no longer just hold a head in the sand approach because I am found looking like a by the police pretty quickly if I choose to ignore what is going on. Therefore, in the interest of my own reputation with the police as well as upholding both the car club I represent and the car scene in general it is best that I comply and cooperate with the police to ensure this behaviour does not continue at events.

Put simply, with 600 cars attending our recent cruise which was advertised as a mini cruise and hoping for around 200 cars.. I am able to be arrogant enough to suggest that if you cannot respect the rules to which myself and the other club leaders have set for our events then you are more than welcome to sit at home with your thumb in your **** - because we'd prefer those with poor behaviour and attitudes not to be involved in our cause.

[Go baby Go]

Originally Posted by SCUD

I myself am one of the main organisers of the event that was mentioned in the news recently. I was the one who had to stand there trying to warn people not to misbehave when they were leaving the carpark. I was also the one after this had all happened and the police were on hand impounding the person I mentioned earlier who was caught doing doughnuts in a busy intersection in front of a police car.. I was one of a few people who had to front the cops and tell them what was going on. At this point, we are seen as responsible for it happening.

And hence you end up with an article in the paper - because they indeed do understand that we were for the most part trying to do the right thing in having a cruise to raise funds ($2090 raised) for the bushfire victims etc.

....... I am able to be arrogant enough to suggest that if you cannot respect the rules to which myself and the other club leaders have set for our events then you are more than welcome to sit at home with your thumb in your **** - because we'd prefer those with poor behaviour and attitudes not to be involved in our cause.

SCUD is right on the money.
I happen to be involved at the pointy end of a couple of clubs- one club .. well it doesn't get much pointer. This club has a code of conduct which alll drivers read and sign before departing on a run. For the first time in the 6 or so years of having it, and the club's near on 41 years, we had an "incident". You all read about it in the papers and saw it on the news. As club president, needless to say I got hounded by just about every media outlet in the state.We had to release a statement to ensure the c'tee weren't hounded... a statement for goodness sakes - we are a car club not a conglomorate.... In their eyes we (c'tee) are responsible. So we have a couple of gooses - who are good blokes - make a stupid decision that is still being talked about. We (the club) more very concerned that it would brimg a negative aspect to the car club culture in general. That one second, one minute or moment of madness- whatever you want to call it, right royally stoofs it for everyone else.
We introduced the code of conduct because we wanted to ensure the club was seen as being a positive influence, not negative.
The downside is the adrenalin kicks in and some show off- FPV this year. Rod B stands there saying "please don't do a burnout" etc, and what do you hear as everyone leaves not 5 mins later.............. you just gotta remember if you are on a club run, you are representing the club.
We have trialled the code of conduct with the FPV & XR club and have had no issues with people signing it, nor have we ever had to take people to task on it.
It's all in the atmosphere and the fact that the guys know it won't be tolerated. That being said, we are an incorporated car club that has meetings etc as opposed to forum or group who don't pay membership, have meetings etc. I think that is far easier to control. Also, we didn't have 600 cars turn up for our event and as Scud mentioned, it makes it hard when you don't know them.

Generally speaking, no car clubs aren't hoons, hoon clubs etc. But it makes it very hard to prove when the few bad apples do something silly and ruin it for everyone else.

[Foylema]

Like a few mates of mine have been defected for oil leaks like what is with that...

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by foylema

Like a few mates of mine have been defected for oil leaks like what is with that...

I'm sure a motor cyclist could enlighten you as to whats wrong with an oil leak from a car.

[Walt Kowalski]

Originally Posted by foylema

Like a few mates of mine have been defected for oil leaks like what is with that...

Do all cars get inspected for roadworthiness before each rego in your state?

Qld and Vic have more POS cars on the roads than NSW because they only do roadworthy certificates when they sell.

If they keep the car for 20 years it is not inspected and they just stay on the road with more bad tyres, brakes and oil leaks etc.

Oil leaks are dangerous. Get them fixed.

[Foylema]

Some cops are good like they say to us if they dont hear anything from us we wont here anything from them...

But some just come in defect every little thing and it stuffs the night for people...
and now people dont wana cruise becuase they dont wana be defected!

[LTDHO]

If what ACA/TT, news papers and Police are to go by, then Yes.

How ever, from experience, I don't feel clubs are hoons, it's usually the wannabe's!