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12-06-2009, 09:41 PM | #1 | ||
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The News services in Adelaide have been reporting the unusualy high road toll in South Australia so far this year....
It is almost double what it was this time last year...personaly I figure that is because there are now more people than ever using the roads. The News services are claiming the figures nearly doubled because the increased fatality figures are made up of drivers under the age of 25 years, or their passengers, killed in the accidents. However questions are being asked in the Media at the moment about the new legislation concerning P plate drivers in SA...and why it has not yet been acted upon by parliment, in view of the rising Death rate on SA roads of the 25 years and under age group. The New Legislation before Parliment at the moment... No turbo powered....no sports V6 powered cars....no V8 motor cars to be driven by P platers....also supervised driving increased from 6 months to 12 months.... It will be interesting to see how the South Australian Parliment reacts to the media pressure, in the comming weeks.... Cheers all |
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12-06-2009, 09:47 PM | #2 | ||
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seems fair to me, except maybe the sports v6 part. then again there are some pretty powerful v6's out there. it would bring SA more inline with a lot of other states..
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12-06-2009, 09:55 PM | #3 | ||
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Sounds like QLD laws. I guess the next lot of legislation will make sure P plater's aren't allowed commodores or falcons either, lol.
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12-06-2009, 09:59 PM | #4 | |||
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12-06-2009, 10:04 PM | #5 | ||
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Lol, I know it's not stupid. I'm just trying to say that they are going to continue to limit the types of cars P platers like me are allowed to drive until there aren't any that are gutless enough to meet the specifications.
TBH, I'm glad I can't own a turbo car yet. Not for the fact I think I'd kill myself in it, I'd drive it sensibly like I do now, but I couldn't afford the maintenance on it lol. Unfortunately, no matter what sort of car someone drives, accidents will happen. I do see the sense in what the government is trying to do, though. |
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12-06-2009, 10:22 PM | #8 | ||
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we do need some sought of legislation fast.still,i think power to weight needs a good look at.renault clio sport 130KW in a 1 tonne car would be legal otherwise,these are dead set rockets for a factory car(FWD).They need the new legislation at a minimum.out of interest,in QLD if your 30yold and loose your liscence for some time and have to go back on Ps,do they get to drive what they were driving before(XR6t) for the remainder of Ps?thankyou.
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15-06-2009, 10:49 AM | #9 | |||
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The law needs to be a KW to weight rule. Like P platers can't drive a car with more than 50KW per tonne or something.
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15-06-2009, 11:45 AM | #10 | |||
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The only vehicles that are a problem with the V8/turbo rule are esoterics such as the above mentioned porsche, BMW M, Nissan Z etc. The smartarses will always try to find a way around it and others will just ignore it. It is designed to try and save lives and those with the attitude that it is designed to prevent them having fun usually get sorted in the long run. The major reason why this is such a huge problem now is that 30 years ago almost all cars could not even do 160km/h or a 400m in under 20 seconds and those that could were far too expensive for young people to buy. There was no "instant finance" and if you wanted a car you had to save up a deposit, prove to the finance company that you could make the payments and THEN have a guarantor who also had to prove that they could make the payments and had collateral in case it all went splat. |
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15-06-2009, 03:32 PM | #11 | |||
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15-06-2009, 04:30 PM | #12 | |||
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Do I feel restrictions on power are needed for the inexperienced? Aboslutely. Is there a failsafe method to restrict and police at the moment? Not really. Restricted vehicles seem to be an easier method than p/w though. |
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15-06-2009, 04:34 PM | #13 | |||
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Does this demonstrated power change when you fiddle with the flash? Or will this just be manufacturer's rating? Like the 206kw GTR Skylines or Supras that show more than that at the wheels or perhaps the 290kw BA GT that has the most efficient transmission in the world losing less than 15%. And how much does the car weigh? Every FPV I have owned was within 15% of what the brochure stated. How much power does your 310kw F6 make and how heavy is it? |
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12-06-2009, 10:55 PM | #14 | ||
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I agree guys with the new laws, and im not trying to start anything here by any means, but when these people hit 25, buy their first WRX/SS/XRT etc, will they be any better off in knowing how to respect the power in these vehicles? I believe that this will just result in the people increasing the road toll being of slightly higher age.
Should there be a seperate licence for driving a car with say 250+kw?
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12-06-2009, 11:36 PM | #15 | |||
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12-06-2009, 11:51 PM | #16 | ||
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i feel sorry for anyone learning to drive at the moment. the media and the government continue to blindly flog a dead horse because thats the area that has the most public impact. i'm referring to their one eyed focus on speeding and high powered vehicles being the main reason for the road toll. the latest one was an xf falcon - hardly a performance car. maybe in a newer car they may have faired better. its just far too easy to blame it on cars/speed/young people and do nothing serious about addressing the real problems.
the stupidity of the people involved in the accidents is making life difficult for all car enthusiasts. i own a modified v8. it can be quite loud if i give it a squirt. does owning a loud car make me a hoon? i have been driving down a residential street at 30-40km/h and had old fogies wave their hand at me to slow down. : the last thing i want is to be targeted by the boys in blue simply because i own/drive a fast (ish) car. |
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14-06-2009, 02:40 AM | #18 | ||
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i wonder if anyone will join the dots and realise that s.a. is also the only state where there is no drag strip/off street facility.
you are never going to stop young kids (mainly males) wanting to go fast in cars. its been happening since the beginning of time (almost). i'm not saying that it would make a difference but they'll never know if there isn't one. a lot of accidents have been just plain stupidity, rather than going fast. i just find it ironic that a lot of people that critisize the behaviour or rules today, grew up doing exactly the same things and sometimes worse. this'll probably open a can of worms but i'd say its more to do with drugs and alcohol than a particular type of car. |
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12-06-2009, 11:02 PM | #19 | ||
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The rules is almost same as nsw and qlds, but sports v6's? Where do you draw the line there?
Base falcon - tick G6E - tick xr6 - cross Omega commodore - tick Calais - tick Sv6 - cross Where do you draw the line? Please tell me.
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13-06-2009, 03:08 AM | #20 | ||
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whatever they do they need to do it fast, hardly a day goes by that I dont see a P plater doing something stupid on the road, more often than not they like to tailgate for some reason, and I mean really close. Last guy that did that to me got a lesson he wont soon forget..
Burnouts, flying down sidestreets at ridiculous speeds are all the norm in my neck of the woods. Worst of all for me is when Im wating to pick up the kids at school, without fail almost everyday there is some nob jockey P plater speeding by while kids are crossing the road... I remember reading Ford had some technologyin the states coming online...something about the keyfob security for parents enabling them to lock stereo volume limiting speeds and such things... something has to be done.
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13-06-2009, 03:47 AM | #21 | |||
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13-06-2009, 07:47 AM | #22 | ||
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Something has to be done mbe slowing em down a bit is probly a good start.. 18-19yo a wrexy or skyline is WAY to much car.. Is it a culture thing these kids have grown up with the 'fast n flurious.. X-BOX boy racer crap in their heads.. but geez they dont slip off the road into a light pole & kill maim injure in the movies/games do they.. for me if i had a dollar moment.. cruisin along in the old school missus n kids in car.. knuckle head P plater pulls alongside wants a run.. GO AWAY upset they roar off up the road anyway looking for another RACE... GROW UP YOU CLOWNS!!!
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13-06-2009, 09:25 AM | #23 | ||
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anything to keep our kids alive, i shudder each time i wake up in the morning and hear on the news that a young driver has been kill, i have a 24 years son, who by the way lives in SA.
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13-06-2009, 11:02 AM | #24 | ||
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I have travelled the World, but always end up back in Adelaide where I was born and raised, but I must admit, I have noticed the rising road toll here in South Australia.
South Australia, in the past has always seemed reluctant to pass on new legislation regarding the driving public, probably because we do not have the larger population of the Eastern States...not as many people on the road. That looks like changing though..... Just a funny short story for you about P platers....back in 1977 I was going out with 2 sisters who came from Melbourne, (Lorraine and Johanne) I was 20 they where 19 and 21, anyhow we drove over to Melbourne, in Lorraines car which was one of those crappy 4 cylinder early 70s Toranas that where a dime a dozen back in those days. Anyhow as we where entering the Out skirts of Melbourne I had started to notice cars now and then that had these P Plates displayed on them....we never had P plates in South Australia in those days, so from the back seat I asked the Girls what are these P plates I keep seeing on cars? Well the Girls looked at each other....and mentioned the male member ( the P word)....laughed....and continued driving. They did get around to explaining the real purpose of the P plates in Victoria a few minutes later.... Cheers All |
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13-06-2009, 11:09 AM | #26 | ||
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Bring on a national system, silly having different rules across state lines.
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13-06-2009, 01:21 PM | #27 | |||
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The graduated licensing systems you see are harmonising around AUS, and they adopt EU driver tuition core code with an emphasis in AUS on the DEFENSIVE driver component in particular. In relation rules, do you mean ARR's? Rem; Australia IS a nation of sovereign States, I'll not go one big central GovCo, no way.
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14-06-2009, 12:10 PM | #28 | |||
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We have a set of 'national road rules' and as stated earlier, our graduated licensing systems are "harmonising".
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14-06-2009, 07:32 AM | #30 | ||
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We have nothing like that in New Zealand. You can have a rice rocket putting out 200kw+ ATW on your learners. While we have a learners - resticted then full license system, only restrictions are passengers and curfew. Other problem is you can pick up almost any car with $1 deposit. There have been cases of wrx's, RX7's etc being sold to learner drivers, then being wrapped around a lamp post the next day.
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