"The Fatal Four"

[DJR-351]

The Queensland Fatal Four....

It will be interesting to see how a reduction in overtime of our Police road patrols, and a change of color scheme for four of the patrol cars, will impact on our spiraling road toll....

COURIER MAIL JULY 6 2009



The State Government yesterday unveiled its latest "Fatal Four" campaign aimed at lowering the road toll.

Four highly visible police cars - painted blue, red, purple and green and emblazoned with the words "speed", "seat belts", "drink driving" and "driving tired" - will patrol the southeast corner of the state to remind motorists of the most common reasons for road death.

Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson said the vehicles would operate in a group to help boost awareness of driving safely and if successful could be rolled out around the state."(This year's toll) still comes back to the fatal four and that's why we've done this," Mr Atkinson said.

[jaydee]

Suppose they have to be seen doing something, but at the end of the day it's down to us, the driver, oh and the other idiots on the road you have to factor in.

[Fairlane]

Obviously QLD code for, white SS Commodores arent worth anything at auction time.

[NAK302]

oooh i feel safer already (sarcasm intended, i'm so tired of all forms of government)

[XA-Coupe]

beats actually doing something I spose ......

[flappist]

What has actually happened here is a HUGE increase in the number of unmarked traffic vehicles wandering up and down the highway.

Anna is broke and needs money, rego up, fuel up, speeding fines up, number of speed cameras and traffic cars up.....

But she will get re-elected again and again, stupid is as stupid does.......

I do soooo miss QLD before the mass migration of southerners.......

[NAK302]

Originally Posted by flappist

What has actually happened here is a HUGE increase in the number of unmarked traffic vehicles wandering up and down the highway.

Anna is broke and needs money, rego up, fuel up, speeding fines up, number of speed cameras and traffic cars up.....

But she will get re-elected again and again, stupid is as stupid does.......

I do soooo miss QLD before the mass migration of southerners.......

i came to QLD from the NT, it took me a long time to get used to the revenue raisers, oops i mean highway patrol. i think the socialists are doing their best to trash the NT as well, no more open speed limit was just the start :evil3: life used to be sooo simple :

[DJR-351]

This might help though......

Loved to have seen the guy shout "no way copper" then floor it.....



By Greg Stolz
July 01, 2009 12:00am

"ANYTIME, anywhere" goes the police RBT mantra. To this, they could add "and in any vehicle". On Hamilton Island, not even those driving golf buggies can escape the long arm of the law wielding an alcometer.

In one of the state's more unusual drink-driving blitzes, Whitsunday police hit Hamilton Island at the weekend with their sights set on boozing buggy drivers.

[NAK302]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

This might help though......

Loved to have seen the guy shout "no way copper" then floor it.....



By Greg Stolz
July 01, 2009 12:00am

"ANYTIME, anywhere" goes the police RBT mantra. To this, they could add "and in any vehicle". On Hamilton Island, not even those driving golf buggies can escape the long arm of the law wielding an alcometer.

In one of the state's more unusual drink-driving blitzes, Whitsunday police hit Hamilton Island at the weekend with their sights set on boozing buggy drivers.

i'd love to know if the police officer is REALLY thinking that his job is fair dinkum :MrT_anim:

[Sprint347]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

This might help though......

Loved to have seen the guy shout "no way copper" then floor it.....



By Greg Stolz
July 01, 2009 12:00am

"ANYTIME, anywhere" goes the police RBT mantra. To this, they could add "and in any vehicle". On Hamilton Island, not even those driving golf buggies can escape the long arm of the law wielding an alcometer.

In one of the state's more unusual drink-driving blitzes, Whitsunday police hit Hamilton Island at the weekend with their sights set on boozing buggy drivers.

Oh the memories

[Wally]

Originally Posted by Sprint347

Oh the memories

Yeah me too. I will never go back to Hamilton. A few years back years ago I expected a nice break, instead we ended up in a sea locked enclave with overt policing and a second rate social scene with more rules than Grandma's house. Seems the ones who didn't have a penalty sign dedicated to them were the two middle aged men who were kissing and grinding in their speedos on the coping of the family pool. The final straw was the federalies doing their thing before we could enter the departure lounge to fly back to Brissy..... gimme Cairns anyday.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by flappist

What has actually happened here is a HUGE increase in the number of unmarked traffic vehicles wandering up and down the highway.

Anna is broke and needs money, rego up, fuel up, speeding fines up, number of speed cameras and traffic cars up.....

But she will get re-elected again and again, stupid is as stupid does.......

I do soooo miss QLD before the mass migration of southerners.......

Harden up flappy i moved here aswell and love it
But your right she is broke so anyway they can make some money they will, as you said fuel and rego up power is up aswell. Selling off assets, anything to make some quick money to get them closer to being out of the red. Whats the state of the QLD economy atm, how much in debt are we....

[Elks]

Originally Posted by flappist

What has actually happened here is a HUGE increase in the number of unmarked traffic vehicles wandering up and down the highway.

Anna is broke and needs money, rego up, fuel up, speeding fines up, number of speed cameras and traffic cars up.....

But she will get re-elected again and again, stupid is as stupid does.......

I do soooo miss QLD before the mass migration of southerners.......

Oh flappy one, you're so right. We are all considering the shift despite your partially retarded government in lieu of our completely retarded government. (no offense to any retarded people who do not like being compared to politicians)

[BAxtER]

Originally Posted by flappist

What has actually happened here is a HUGE increase in the number of unmarked traffic vehicles wandering up and down the highway.

Anna is broke and needs money, rego up, fuel up, speeding fines up, number of speed cameras and traffic cars up.....

But she will get re-elected again and again, stupid is as stupid does.......

I do soooo miss QLD before the mass migration of southerners.......

couldnt have said it better myself!!!

[Paull]

Would it be an acknowledgement that unmarked cars are simply there to "catch" people speeding as compared to "trying to stop" people from speeding by having police in highly visible patrol cars????

[platinumXR]

Originally Posted by Paull

Would it be an acknowledgement that unmarked cars are simply there to "catch" people speeding as compared to "trying to stop" people from speeding by having police in highly visible patrol cars????

And the difference is...?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by platinumXR

And the difference is...?

About $750,000,000.00 per year.........

Would you prefer that a person who was about to murder your family and friends was jailed afterwards or prevented from doing it in the first place?

[platinumXR]

Originally Posted by flappist

About $750,000,000.00 per year.........

Would you prefer that a person who was about to murder your family and friends was jailed afterwards or prevented from doing it in the first place?

Flawed logic, people still do, as punishment is no deterrent. We're all adults and know what the law is.

Does it mean that if you cannot see the police, it is OK to speed?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by platinumXR

Flawed logic, people still do, as punishment is no deterrent. We're all adults and know what the law is.

Does it mean that if you cannot see the police, it is OK to speed?

No, common sense, not revenue driven socialist agenda.

NOBODY overtakes a marked police car (well not twice anyway).

Large signs (like NSW not the tiny hidden ones QLD have) saying SPEED CAMERA will slow people down much more effectively than hidden cameras.

The proof is beyond obvious, Victoria has 400 bazillion speed cameras and STILL makes hundreds of millions a year out of it so it is very obvious that hidden weapons are not a deterrent.

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by flappist

About $750,000,000.00 per year.........

Would you prefer that a person who was about to murder your family and friends was jailed afterwards or prevented from doing it in the first place?

Problem with this example is, you can tell the police that they threatened your life but they cant do anything about it until they do kill you.

The governments are using hoons as an excuse for their underhanded revenue raising, if you dont know you have been done or see them they have no incentive to slow down. Example: Clowns doing 80 in a 60, goes past speed camera and gets photo'd for prosperity, 200 metres down the road T-bones a car crossing an intersection not realising said clown is speeding, kills passenger in accident, government gets their money and said clown has still killed somebody. They havent been saved by their supposed SAFETY camera.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

Problem with this example is, you can tell the police that they threatened your life but they cant do anything about it until they do kill you.

The governments are using hoons as an excuse for their underhanded revenue raising, if you dont know you have been done or see them they have no incentive to slow down. Example: Clowns doing 80 in a 60, goes past speed camera and gets photo'd for prosperity, 200 metres down the road T-bones a car crossing an intersection not realising said clown is speeding, kills passenger in accident, government gets their money and said clown has still killed somebody. They havent been saved by their supposed SAFETY camera.

This is (one of) the fundamental issue i have with speed camera's, the notification delay.. maybe an instant text message to the owners phone or beep on your e tag or some instant notification would get an instant result....
As it stands you have to wait 2-4 weeks, and in that time you could rack up a heap of fines...

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

Problem with this example is, you can tell the police that they threatened your life but they cant do anything about it until they do kill you.

The governments are using hoons as an excuse for their underhanded revenue raising, if you dont know you have been done or see them they have no incentive to slow down. Example: Clowns doing 80 in a 60, goes past speed camera and gets photo'd for prosperity, 200 metres down the road T-bones a car crossing an intersection not realising said clown is speeding, kills passenger in accident, government gets their money and said clown has still killed somebody. They havent been saved by their supposed SAFETY camera.

True, you can do a lot of damage before the photo arrives, and when it does arrive, do most care??

There is no shock value involved in a picture of your car, you are removed from the incedent, it is just treated as another bloody bill to deal with. But having a set of blue lights in the rear vision mirror, then a p****d off cop in your face tends to stick in your mind, i know it would with me....

And this has more chance of avoiding that disaster 200m down the road than a camera that you may not have seen....

[ltd]

Agree 100% with flappist on this. What an absolute scam we have gotten ourselves into. Not only do we end up with nothing in terms of progress from our governments, but we end up paying extra for these idiots to give us nothing. Not better roads, schools, hospitals or infrastructure and we pay more for nothing every year. When will the citizenry realise that socialist governments are nothing but under-achieving evasive twats with Oedipul syndrome and a plethora of awards for mediocrity?

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

- painted blue, red, purple and green and emblazoned with the words "speed", "seat belts", "drink driving" and "driving tired"

They are doing the same thing in SA, except they are calling them, Tinky Winky, Dipsy, LaLa & Po.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

They are doing the same thing in SA, except they are calling them, Tinky Winky, Dipsy, LaLa & Po.

DAMMIT!!! :

And here i was thinking the chosen state was leading the way....

[schnoods]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

They are doing the same thing in SA, except they are calling them, Tinky Winky, Dipsy, LaLa & Po.

LOL.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

They are doing the same thing in SA, except they are calling them, Tinky Winky, Dipsy, LaLa & Po.

Oh my god, that is funny, I can't read anymore as my eyes are watering. Now Tori is telling me off for laughing, thanks ya bastard!

[GT69]

Atleast thats 4 XR's sold by Ford, unfortunately we the tax paper are paying for them. But oh well, we pay for everything else.

I have a gripe, and this seems the time/place to do it.

Why the bloody hell do road works cost money? If road crews are paid anyway? How can it be billions of $$$$$ For the bloody things? Seriously i don't get it, your paying the men in orange, none of the equiptment their using is new, so whats the go? I no tar and what not cost money.....but if people are on the payroll anyway, there should be no (or next to none) cost increases over the usual. I call BS.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by GT69

Why the bloody hell do road works cost money? If road crews are paid anyway? How can it be billions of $$$$$ For the bloody things? Seriously i don't get it, your paying the men in orange, none of the equiptment their using is new, so whats the go? I no tar and what not cost money.....but if people are on the payroll anyway, there should be no (or next to none) cost increases over the usual. I call BS.

the govt don't do the road works or own the equipment. it is all outsourced and the equipment is hired. depending on what is being done, their is a lot of materials being consumed as well. also fuel costs etc etc

[YOOT]

Originally Posted by GT69

Why the bloody hell do road works cost money? If road crews are paid anyway? How can it be billions of $$$$$ For the bloody things? Seriously i don't get it, your paying the men in orange, none of the equiptment their using is new, so whats the go? I no tar and what not cost money.....but if people are on the payroll anyway, there should be no (or next to none) cost increases over the usual. I call BS.

Let me see:

1. Planning
2. Survey of existing features and contours
3. Design 1, 2, 3
4. Public consultation
5. Tendering to 3 principle contractors
6. Principle contractors tender out all aspects to contractors
a)Earthworks (excavators, graders, trucks, water trucks)
b)Gravel/Asphalt/bulking
c)Kerb and channel (concrete)
d)Road/Pavements
e) Services (Stormwater, Sewer, Elec, Comms)
f) Survey for construction of all stages (Includes machine guidance, conformance reports, as constructed surveys, volumes, depths, areas)
g)Linemarking and catseyes
h)Lighting
i)Road signs
j)Traffic control (VERY EXPENSIVE)
7. Bad weather (2-4 weeks a year)
8. Wages and profit for all sub-contractors, contractors, principle contractorsm and then some for the unkown.
9. Lowest contractor wins job.

Small two lane duplication 500m, maybe $5-10million (provided there are no bridges, this cost can double.

There could be 5-50 people in work which all get paid between $20-50/hr, they all get super on top of that, then there is prof dem. insurance, work cover, safety gear, erosion and sediment control...