E2 GTS Carsguide review

spvd02 · 19-10-2009, 10:20 AM

http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/new..._e2_gts_review

Quote from the article:
"Lined up against its rivals the GTS is an easy winner over anything from Ford Performance Vehicles, even the turbo I personally prefer over the V8 GT, and is a bargain against the class benchmark from Mercedes-Benz. It is also a car that looks like becoming an instant benchmark for Aussie muscle."

Sounds like we have a new favourite Aussie muscle-car. While certainly not quicker than the F6 (0-100 took more than 5 seconds), I think the character of the car must've made quite an impression. I think this would be a fantastic car to drive, and commend HSV for doing a great job. My personal preference, though, is towards a subtle performance car: I'm not really an attention seeker, and the E2 GTS would only suit someone who is. Arguably most people are attention seekers, so they should sell well.

Windsor220 · 19-10-2009, 10:34 AM

You did see who wrote the article didnt you? Cant really get an accuate review from him.

4Vman · 19-10-2009, 10:39 AM

i'll say it again... there's far more to a performance vehicle that 0-100 and 1/4 mile times.......
We need to stop focusing on these 2 numbers as the sole measure of their worth.

**Polyal** · 19-10-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

i'll say it again... there's far more to a performance vehicle that 0-100 and 1/4 mile times.......
We need to stop focusing on these 2 numbers as the sole measure of their worth.

Your not wrong but they are figures in which are relative easy to compare with others, and in Oz you could safely say the majority of the buyers are concerned with numbers and letters.

I did read that article and couldn't believe it. Im sure its good but a F6 will still eat it for breakfast.

And it looks like a hat full of a-holes.

Jason[98.EL] · 19-10-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

i'll say it again... there's far more to a performance vehicle that 0-100 and 1/4 mile times.......
We need to stop focusing on these 2 numbers as the sole measure of their worth.

very true

it is more than the times it's the comfort refinement and more importantly the safety of the car

Jason

**Polyal** · 19-10-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason[98.EL]

very true

it is more than the times it's the comfort refinement and more importantly the safety of the car

Jason

Surely if they are your priorities then a G6ET is better suited to the buyer. Quicker than a GT aswell.

If you were serious about refinement then a Ford mightn't be on the shopping list anyway.

These cars are all about numbers, badges and bragging rights.

R-Design · 19-10-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

These cars are all about numbers, badges and bragging rights.

He shoots, he scores!

I'm tired of the excuses, bring on Coyote!

pauljh74 · 19-10-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by article

To make sure the neighbours know you're driving something different, buyers ordering the options get special badges to differentiate them from standard E2 models.

Give it 6 months and fully VN onwards Commodores will be sporting extra badges. But I don't think there will be any badges saying "I cut my springs to make it fully low".

Nikked · 19-10-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

These cars are all about numbers, badges and bragging rights.

Yep, thats how HSV have sold there cars since year dot. 185i Clubsport!

kircher · 19-10-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

i'll say it again... there's far more to a performance vehicle that 0-100 and 1/4 mile times.......
We need to stop focusing on these 2 numbers as the sole measure of their worth.

I agree. And performance cars don't need to look tacky with big wings and plasticky bodykits. That look died a long time ago.

Fev · 19-10-2009, 11:37 AM

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Lined up against its rivals the GTS is an easy winner over anything from Ford Performance Vehicles, even the turbo I personally prefer over the V8 GT, and is a bargain against the class benchmark from Mercedes-Benz. It is also a car that looks like becoming an instant benchmark for Aussie muscle.

what a crock of meecrab!! The F6 eat's it for breakfast and to a lesser extent even the Ford G6ET demolishes it. Roy here at SF did a 13.4 in the G6ET they had for the weekend and it was bog stock!

What a horridly, obviously biased article..

4Vman · 19-10-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fev

what a crock of meecrab!! The F6 eat's it for breakfast and to a lesser extent even the Ford G6ET demolishes it. Roy here at SF did a 13.4 in the G6ET they had for the weekend and it was bog stock!

What a horridly, obviously biased article..

So you've seen a test between the VE2 GTS, F6 and G6ET? can you send me a link please? im keen to see the results you talk about.

Fev · 19-10-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

So you've seen a test between the VE2 GTS, F6 and G6ET? can you send me a link please? im keen to see the results you talk about.

We've seen the numbers they all produce.

We dont need a back to back 3 car article about them - there wont be any difference in each car.

ieatsports_cars · 19-10-2009, 12:37 PM

i will go by looks on this one. To me the new HSV looks like a bowl of dog food on a bbq, it looks but ugly, seen one at bathurst i nearly vomited seeing this bowl of dog food, i prefer the look of the fords any day really

**DJM83** · 19-10-2009, 01:38 PM

Gover needs to admit he is on the GM payroll

**Dave R** · 19-10-2009, 05:47 PM

From the article:

Engine: 6.2-litre Gen III V8... Gen III aye?

While I don't doubt the GTS is the new performance benchmark, I'd rather read something that hasn't been written by that pinhead Paul Gover.

falzoony · 19-10-2009, 06:03 PM

I'm sure it's a great car to drive and it would go hard but that would have to be the ugliest car on the market.
I will admit to be fairly biased but I don't see how that is so much better than the GTE or F6E as he claims. Other then a tacky body kit and 20's.

XR Martin · 19-10-2009, 06:10 PM

Whether you want to believe it or not, the GTS would own anything from Ford OZ on a track.

**Polyal** · 19-10-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Whether you want to believe it or not, the GTS would own anything from Ford OZ on a track.

If it was up against the F6 I think it would all come down to the driver.

4Vman · 19-10-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

If it was up against the F6 I think it would all come down to the driver.

Not if the winton results are anything to go by... and that was against the S1 317 GTS...

Transfiguring R · 20-10-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Not if the winton results are anything to go by... and that was against the S1 317 GTS...

Thought I'd just throw this into the mix. Anyone seen this footage before? Make sure you watch right to the end.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/F...-F6_693535.htm

XR Martin · 20-10-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Transfiguring R

Thought I'd just throw this into the mix. Anyone seen this footage before? Make sure you watch right to the end.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/F...-F6_693535.htm

R8 isnt the same as the GTS

But Flappist just posted this in another thread

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MOTOR Magazine April 2006 PCOTY Page 68

Winton lap time:

F6 1:44.60
XR6T manual 1:44.95 (T56)
XR6T auto 1:45.90 (ZF)
GT 1:46.05

The VE GTS at that time did it in 1:43.71
And this video of Garth Tander taking a VE2 GTS around Winton looks to be about a 1:40. Unfortunately there is no actual timer though. (it looks like it crosses the line at :08 and again at 1:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_79kTJQVg

XR Martin · 19-10-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

If it was up against the F6 I think it would all come down to the driver.

GTS has better brakes, suspension and tyres.
Only thing the F6 has on its side is the flatter torque curve.

Corzza · 20-10-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Whether you want to believe it or not, the GTS would own anything from Ford OZ on a track.

Before the brakes start cooking

Deco28 · 20-10-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Corzza

Before the brakes start cooking

The Ford Brakes would cook to.

trendkill555666 · 19-10-2009, 06:29 PM

I seen one (GTS 325 with the yellow "fully sick" badge on the back) in the watergardens shopping centre car park a few days ago, I tried to get a park close to it to get a better look to no avail.
But I must say the back end didn't look as bad as the pictures I've seen and the new rims do suit it, unfortunatly I didn't get a good look at the "snow plough" front end.
In my opinon the Senator is the only looker of the bunch and if I had that kind of cash I would spend it some where better than Holden.

uranium_death · 20-10-2009, 01:03 PM

The car I bet is a clinker to drive, but to pay that much for an SS interior for me is unacceptable.

VAlue is important and I expect an HSV to have a far superior interior to most other offerings.

Mr Brooksy · 20-10-2009, 01:08 PM

Uranium, I agree that HSV need a much better interior than the SS, but the same can be said with FPV. These premium cars get mid range interiors with different stitching and a few different plastic colours... but alas Im off topic.

Be interesting to see what other mags/motoring sites say about the E2. Especially CarAdvice.

UNR8D · 20-10-2009, 07:03 PM

have you seen the brakes on offer for the GTS... dont think ford has anything better atm..

ugly as sin but i have to give it to HSV for bringing out something that can now have bragging rights and auctualy handle.

ea90gl · 20-10-2009, 07:36 PM

Don't forget the heatsoak issues the LS engines have in the Commodore, plenty of tests have shown oil temp go through the roof over a couple of laps around a track. Thats not to say F6 would be any better as Im not sure. Also not trying to take too much from the GTS as I would imagine they are a great bit of kit and definately wouldnt mind having one in the driveway