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09-07-2010, 02:40 PM
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BMW’s M Division has finally confirmed that the new generation BMW M5 will be powered by a turbocharged V8 engine in lieu of the current V10 powerplant.
Full article here
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09-07-2010, 02:45 PM
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Then that's what the GTHO needs. 5.0L V8 EcoBoost.
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09-07-2010, 03:38 PM
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N/A all the way
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Sad day.
Unfortunately High performance N/A V8's are becoming very rare. Beautiful spine tingling noise replaced by a pack of dull hoovers on steroids. Oh well, faster and more economical i suppose
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09-07-2010, 06:22 PM
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09-07-2010, 06:25 PM
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09-07-2010, 06:35 PM
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For now anyways... Shame both BMW & Mercedes are heading down this road, don't get me wrong the huge power and torque demands respect but it almost seems like Lazy engineering really 100Hp/L with todays emissions standards brings large challenges in a N/A application. In a round about way.. thank the Greenies as TT V8's are on the way to save the Trees & Icecaps  Quote:
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09-07-2010, 05:52 PM
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Why is it a sad day? Turbo V8, enough said..
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09-07-2010, 06:04 PM
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09-07-2010, 06:07 PM
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Would prefer a SC over snails on a V8.... it leaves that glorious sound uninterrupted.
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09-07-2010, 07:02 PM
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But... An external waste gate and screamer pipe fixes the lack of note on a turbo...
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09-07-2010, 07:05 PM
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Im sure it will be an awesome car with TT.. i just prefer S/C's on V engines.
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09-07-2010, 06:29 PM
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C63 > M3...
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09-07-2010, 06:43 PM
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Barra Turbo > V8
  
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09-07-2010, 06:36 PM
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I will miss N/A but what future is there in denying the efforts of prolonging our beloved combustion engine. I can think of worse.
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09-07-2010, 08:31 PM
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Hmm with that power output the posts have certainly moved, and the bar raised for the super saloons... I can guess they will have a larger capacity to combat AMG's M157.
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09-07-2010, 11:32 PM
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Is it petrol or diesel? I hope it is the latter
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09-07-2010, 11:45 PM
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I'ld say petrol.
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09-07-2010, 11:51 PM
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Supercharger over turbo? That's an old school way of thinking before direct injection came along on petrol engines. Superchargers have zero advantage now. Not even for low end torque. Give me DI turbo! And just a thought here, I think BMW has a clue about engines. They used to be advocates for natural aspiration.
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10-07-2010, 09:44 PM
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Words famously spoken: the times they are a-changin'. The world moves into turbocharging more and more to help torque/power outputs and improve fuel efficiency, I guess this is a sign of the times.
Would love a V8 turbo BMW though.
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11-07-2010, 08:11 PM
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You must remember the basics, turbo's use wasted energy of the exhaust and heat. Supercharging takes power to make power. If you had 2 identical engines running the same boost, the turbo engine will make more power. Now with the better turbo tech and direct injection, turbo's are making alot of sense.
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11-07-2010, 08:54 PM
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But it's still more efficient.
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11-07-2010, 09:50 PM
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On "V" config engines a SC is far less complicated and on inline set-ups a turbo is the simplest choice. So both have their place.
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12-07-2010, 10:46 AM
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11-07-2010, 09:44 PM
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turbos are more efficent yes, but give me a blown V8 any day
the worst power adder of them all is the centrifugal blower, they have all the downsides of both torbo and supercharger, lag AND belt driven.
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11-07-2010, 09:50 PM
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Finally an M5 can get into!
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12-07-2010, 01:10 AM
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Turbos should not have lag anymore. If it does, it is old tech. When I drove the Flex EcoBoost, I just tapped the throttle and got instant response. I thought it's either zero lag, or just a sensitive throttle. So I gave it more, and I went deeper in to the seat. It just kept accelerating. The more I gave it, the more g force I got. There was zero lag, and incredible amounts of torque all through the rev range. Now if it were supercharged, I promise it would not have been that good!
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12-07-2010, 11:42 AM
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This is what I was getting at:
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Official: 2011 BMW M5 powered by turbo V8
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