What is the accepted protocol to warn drivers of road hazards

fangq · 29-10-2010, 09:58 PM

Now that the police are dinging drivers for using high beam within 200 meters of an approaching vehicle, what are we supposed to use as an indication of a road hazard? For those of us who do a lot of of rural driving, the question is pertinent. ie stock on road, broken down vehicles etc. Personally, I still use high beam flash, and will wear a point....

curious
Steve

04redxr8 · 29-10-2010, 10:03 PM

I say use the high beam. That has been the standard since high beam has been available.

Riksta · 29-10-2010, 10:03 PM

I think the problem was that the hazard in question was usually Constable Kodak, or Sergeant Snapshot, up the road.

That being said, I have had drivers in the hills flash me, to warn me of debris on the road up ahead that you wouldn't normally see until its too late, its good to have the warning to be on the lookout for that kind of thing.

Surely, if you do get pinged for it, and you can reasonably prove that you were in fact trying to warn somebody of a genuine hazard and not a camera or to blind them, the officer in question would surely be able to look at the circumstances and issue no fine.

fangq · 29-10-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Riksta

I think the problem was that the hazard in question was usually Constable Kodak, or Sergeant Snapshot, up the road.

That being said, I have had drivers in the hills flash me, to warn me of debris on the road up ahead that you wouldn't normally see until its too late, its good to have the warning to be on the lookout for that kind of thing.

Surely, if you do get pinged for it, and you can reasonably prove that you were in fact trying to warn somebody of a genuine hazard and not a camera or to blind them, the officer in question would surely be able to look at the circumstances and issue no fine.

To me, the media / police blitz on the fines associated with using high beam to warn of speed detection devices, runs into the law of unintended consequences. You have to wonder how many drivers have assimilated that
information as NEVER use high beams to warn of hazards.

Steve

cheap · 29-10-2010, 10:47 PM

There is of course UHF channels 29 and 40. These are usually good for discussion of a raft of traffic hazards

XR6Runner · 29-10-2010, 10:03 PM

You will flash the vehicle driving on the opposite road, and when a police officer pulls you over to ask you why you did that, you will go to explain that there is a hazard back along that road and you are warning the traffic. He will then understand your reasoning and let you go. Simple as that.

pottery beige · 29-10-2010, 10:05 PM

where is keepleft and his triangles......

**SSD-85** · 29-10-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

where is keepleft and his triangles......

rancidpunx · 29-10-2010, 10:06 PM

Yeah I live in a rural area and will use high beam to warn others. Whats the alternative? Hazards? Its not that simple. Gererally if somebody flashes me, I am expecting something to be coming, a cop or a hazard either way I take notice. Never seen anyone using their hazards unless there is something wrong with their own car or towing. As such im alerted briefly but thats about it.

Bobman · 29-10-2010, 10:51 PM

Can always use your fog lights or just normal head lights instead ;)

If you ever get pinged for high beam, just claim that you accidentally bumped it while flicking the indicator or similar. It happens.

Ben73 · 29-10-2010, 11:00 PM

I will flash my high beam, if I get pulled over I will say I went for the windscreen washer, but forgot which car I was in since, I drive cars with indicators on the left and some with them on the right. SO Sometimes I actually do mix them up.

Brazen · 30-10-2010, 12:13 AM

Im a big fan of hazard lights, I always use them if Im ahead of traffic and I see a problem first. Last time I used it was when I could see un-fenced sheep by the side of the road, I put my hazard lights on as I drove past them, the car 100m behind me I could see visibly slow down as soon as put them on.

The most vital time I used them was in the Heyson tunnels in Adelaide. Where the tunnel bends left there was a broken down car in the left hand lane you wouldnt know its there if you were in the left lane until you were on top of it, I was in the far right lane. I was ahead of traffic and put my hazards on, the cars behind me all slowed down as my car was visible but the broken down car was hidden by the bend. Two cars behind me followed my lead by putting their hazards on so the cars behind them would be alerted.

WMD351 · 30-10-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Im a big fan of hazard lights, I always use them if Im ahead of traffic and I see a problem first. Last time I used it was when I could see un-fenced sheep by the side of the road, I put my hazard lights on as I drove past them, the car 100m behind me I could see visibly slow down as soon as put them on.

I'm led to believe this is the standard in Europe and makes pretty good sense to me, if everyone was aware of it that is. Sadly here in Vic, it's illegal to have your hazards on unless the car is stationary.

OLDFORDNUT · 30-10-2010, 09:48 AM

i always get angry when going past a speed camera and the drivers id just past have not flashed lights,(un-Australian) so many people dont know or care about flashing hi beam,but i must say if i notice some one going the other way is driving like a tool i wont flash them.

blackjack74 · 30-10-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OLDFORDNUT

i always get angry when going past a speed camera and the drivers id just past have not flashed lights,(un-Australian)

X2 (yes speeding is unacceptable but...)

Yellow_Festiva · 30-10-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OLDFORDNUT

i always get angry when going past a speed camera and the drivers id just past have not flashed lights,(un-Australian)

If there is a long straight ahead of me and the speed is under 80 I'll put my hand out the window and wave downwards in a flapping sorta motion.

Those who 'get it' flash or give me a wave back and slow down, those who don't, well good luck to em!

pauljh74 · 30-10-2010, 11:31 AM

Turn your headlights on and off a couple of times quickly as a legal substitute for using high beams.

csv8 · 30-10-2010, 09:51 AM

The way around the QPol crack down on flashing high beam, is to switch your lights from OFF to ON..cann't be booked for that. Not as easy as flashing high beam. but no points loss or fine.

OLDFORDNUT · 30-10-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

The way around the QPol crack down on flashing high beam, is to switch your lights from OFF to ON..cann't be booked for that. Not as easy as flashing high beam. but no points loss or fine.

your missing one thing though,we are talking about the Australian Police ,
they wont distinguish between the low beam and hi beam in daytime, especially with our all new legal system where proof is not required anymore

flappist · 30-10-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OLDFORDNUT

your missing one thing though,we are talking about the Australian Police ,
they wont distinguish between the low beam and hi beam in daytime, especially with our all new legal system where proof is not required anymore

No all you need to do is when you are being rolled say you used low beam over and over again because you are aware that high beam is illegal.

All police record intercepts and you can call on it during your court appearance. YES they DO have to prove you did something.

Yellow_Festiva · 30-10-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

The way around the QPol crack down on flashing high beam, is to switch your lights from OFF to ON..cann't be booked for that. Not as easy as flashing high beam. but no points loss or fine.

As funny as that sounds, it's actually the most correct and 'legal' thing to do.

A while back a young lady got pulled over for flashing oncoming traffic. She argued with the cop that it wasn't her high beams, rather her regular lights she was flicking on and off.

She took it to court and won. Don't know what the wording is like today, but apparently it does say that flashing 'high beams' is illegal.

Trying to explain to the cops why you were flashing your high beams is pointless as this is what 99% of drivers will do to try and talk themselves out of a fine. Get a cop riding his high horse and your buggered either way.

Wouldn't use fog lights either... same outcome if there is no fog around.

dave351cid · 30-10-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

A while back a young lady got pulled over for flashing oncoming traffic. She argued with the cop that it wasn't her high beams,.

i actually prefer to get flashed with high beams if its a young lady

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i never flash for RBT or anything like that, i think there should be more of them.
but i do flash if i see a flash-for-cash or candy car , and i will mostly do it for a couple of km past, my theory is that it is so easy to be doing just a few kms over without noticing and by warning them i could save someones licence . or if they are speedy demons then atleast they might slow down for the next few kms. if i see someone who looks to be a road hazard i wont flash and hope thay they get busted.

i drive on mostly country roads and highways these days and always flash if there are any dangers or hazards up ahead like animals or stuff on the road, broken down cars etc.

i heard a trucky on the uhv about 6 months ago saying he had just got fined for flashing to warn of a camera car. the car he flashed was the unmarked highway patrol .woops. fine was something about interfereing with police duties or something like that. think it was $160.

jlef5 · 30-10-2010, 09:59 AM

UHF and flash on high beam. I do a bit of driving for current job have a hand helf uhf so talk to the truckies, and also flash when i see hazards.

**GasoLane** · 30-10-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fangq

Now that the police are dinging drivers for using high beam within 200 meters of an approaching vehicle, what are we supposed to use as an indication of a road hazard? For those of us who do a lot of of rural driving, the question is pertinent. ie stock on road, broken down vehicles etc. Personally, I still use high beam flash, and will wear a point....

curious
Steve

This would be a hard one to make stick unless there is more than one police officer further up the road to judge the 200mtre rule.

If the Hazard/speed trap is behind you how would they know you've flashed your lights (Headlight flashers don't operate the tail lights)?

What would they charge you with?. Warning an oncoming driver in case they commit an offence? If that happens point out that ATM's have warnings about the ATM being monitored by a video camera and would they like to charge the bank with the same offence.

Fixed speed camera's (in NSW) have warnings before you get to them. Should the Police fine the RTA for this?

Ben73 · 30-10-2010, 02:05 PM

I have seen bus drivers making gun hand gestures to other buses to warn of speed cameras. But this is in the city, out in rural areas you would not be able to see their hands well enough.

chrisfpv · 30-10-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

I have seen bus drivers making gun hand gestures to other buses to warn of speed cameras. But this is in the city, out in rural areas you would not be able to see their hands well enough.

Is that common? I've never heard of that.

If some bus driver pulled up next to me and put his hand into a gun shape and pointed it at me i'd bloody crap myself.

But on the topic, I always give a single or a quick double flash to oncoming traffic after I pass a revenue raising camera. I'd like to hope people would do the same for me.
One thing that does annoy me is when someone passes one and goes bananas with there high beams.

HIGHBEAM, OFF, HIGHBEAM, OFF, HIGHBEAM, OFF, HIGHBEAM, OFF, HIGHBEAM, OFF etc etc.

Annoys the hell out of me. I gave one women the bird who did it no joke, about 30 times within 300metres.

WE GET IT!!!

sarrge2001 · 31-10-2010, 06:12 PM

If the government paid people to drive around flashing high beam at oncoming drivers, that would have a far more immediate effect of slowing speeding drivers than paying those same people to sit in unmarked camera cars on the side of the road.

And it is all about slowing speeding drivers.......isn't it??

Ben73 · 31-10-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by XR

Is that common? I've never heard of that.

If some bus driver pulled up next to me and put his hand into a gun shape and pointed it at me i'd bloody crap myself.

It's not common I have seen it once.

I think I'll just get a UHF. Truckers always seam to warn each other about stuff.

OLDFORDNUT · 31-10-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XR

Is that common? I've never heard of that.

If some bus driver pulled up next to me and put his hand into a gun shape and pointed it at me i'd bloody crap myself.

But on the topic, I always give a single or a quick double flash to oncoming traffic after I pass a revenue raising camera. I'd like to hope people would do the same for me.
One thing that does annoy me is when someone passes one and goes bananas with there high beams.

HIGHBEAM, OFF, HIGHBEAM, OFF, HIGHBEAM, OFF, HIGHBEAM, OFF, HIGHBEAM, OFF etc etc.

Annoys the hell out of me. I gave one women the bird who did it no joke, about 30 times within 300metres.

WE GET IT!!!

THATS a bit HARSH.
at least she tried to do the rite thing by you,yet you gave her the bird,next time she probably wont do it for anyone and that person who might have just crept over the limit by a few kays will pay for your rudeness.

fox76 · 30-10-2010, 08:29 PM

Playing devils advocate here for a minute. What if by you flashing your high beams to on coming motorist to warn of police up ahead you aid in an unlicensed, disqualified suspended, ****ed etc (or worse) driver getting away ie stop car get out and run or do a u-turn or stop and swap drivers that type of thing. Some one else mentioned unintended consequences.