modified cars in nsw lookout

reece1 · 15-09-2011, 11:42 PM

as of/after the 30th sept 2011 engineer signatories will no longer be able to pass your vehicle. the rug has been ripped out from under them. the powers that be are trying to implement a new system to have a modified car passed.this system in my view will fail. and will also over complicate the process so bad that people will give up. the whhispers have been around for a while about this but now it is here. the nanny state has gone over the top this time. we need to scream at the roads minister about this one in a huge way. or this may be the last major nail in the coffin.

thedutchman92 · 15-09-2011, 11:59 PM

And I thought the new NSW government were supposed to take the load of motorists and place it on the RTA......thanks alot wheels magazine, called it too early and pushed your own agenda.

SteveJH · 16-09-2011, 12:01 AM

reece,

What exactly is changing? You havent actually explained, rather you've just gone off in a panic.

thedutchman, wasnt the RTA supposed to be gone by now? And I notice the speed camera at urunga (which was supposed to go) was still there and still signed two weeks ago....

Simple6 · 16-09-2011, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

thedutchman, wasnt the RTA supposed to be gone by now? And I notice the speed camera at urunga (which was supposed to go) was still there and still signed two weeks ago....

Apparently switched off though.

vhcbm · 16-09-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlerj

Apparently switched off though.

Yea they are, god knows when they are going to take them down. I suppose it wouldn't be as simple as jack hammering it up.

I wouldn't get worried about this unless your car is illegal as said above.

reece1 · 16-09-2011, 07:42 PM

[QUOTE=SteveJH]reece,

[What exactly is changing? You havent actually explained, rather you've just gone off in a panic. ]

no panic here i dont know how you got that from it. here is what is happening as of/after the 30th sept 2011 engineer signatories will no longer be able to pass your vehicle. the rug has been ripped out from under them.
i dont know if you are aware of the process in nsw when you modify a vehicle. you need to obtain a engineers report to certify the modifacations prior to registration.
this system is being finished at the end of the month. reports written prior to the 30th of sept 2011 will be accepted for 6 months after this date.
the new system being set up will complicate the process as you may have to use several different certifiers to sign off on different parts of your car.
i went to seminar the rta had on this at the end of last year asking for people in the automotive industry to become a part of the new system. you can become a certifier for example in braking systems. you need to prove evidence of your skills, examples of work.interview process and some sort of course. all the info was not on the table at the time. most people beleived this new system would not go forward. as it was not set in stone yet. but they kept it quiet and now its here.
and it looks like they have no new certifiers ready for the new system even though they have numerous applicants.
my opinion is if they make it alot harder to modify a vehicle legally the majority of people will give up. and i feel that is the main goal here.

SteveJH · 16-09-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Reece1

No panic here i dont know how you got that from it.

Here is what is happening, as of/after the 30th sept 2011 engineer signatories will no longer be able to pass your vehicle. The rug has been ripped out from under them.

I dont know if you are aware of the process in nsw when you modify a vehicle, but you need to obtain a engineers report to certify the modifications prior to registration. This system is being finished at the end of this month. Reports that were written prior to the 30th of sept 2011 will be accepted for 6 months after this date.

The new system being set up will complicate the process as you may have to use several different certifiers to sign off on different parts of your car. I went to seminar the rta had on this at the end of last year asking for people in the automotive industry to become a part of the new system. For example, you can become a certifier. You need to prove evidence of your skills, examples of work, pass an interview process and some sort of course.

All the info was not on the table at the time, most people beleived this new system would not go forward as it was not set in stone yet, but they kept it quiet and now its here. It looks like they have no new certifiers ready for the new system even though they have numerous applicants.

My opinion is if they make it alot harder to modify a vehicle legally the majority of people will give up. and i feel that is the main goal here.

Thanks for the clarification, that makes much clearer.

I like the idea of people not being able to sign of particular aspects of a car unless they are actually trained in that aspect, however it seems that the "not-RTA" is doing a bad job with the implementation side of the program.

Does that sound about right?

reece1 · 16-09-2011, 08:20 PM

the engineer system we have now is a good and pretty strict system. and they are actually engineers who can look at your whole combo as a working unit.
the new way if it gets off the ground. go to the brake engineer go to the engine engineer the suspension engineer, chassis guy and so on. this all equals more time and more money.. it seems like alot harder system. wonder why

EFFalcon · 16-09-2011, 09:05 AM

so it'll end up like Victoria where people just don't get engineered

AUIIISR · 16-09-2011, 05:59 PM

A little more info would be nice, got a link?

XRGhia · 16-09-2011, 08:11 PM

I've known this for a long time.... Nothing new to me with it popping up now though....

If your car is modified, yet legal, what's to worry about?....

Apart from a few Coppers who we all hate.......

Cabbage · 19-09-2011, 07:14 AM

Apart from a few Coppers who we all hate.......[/QUOTE]

Until you need them........

Ben73 · 16-09-2011, 08:14 PM

This is Australia. Not many will make a fuss. Nothing will change.

reece1 · 16-09-2011, 10:04 PM

give it time and you will get what i am saying cause i think everone is going to miss the system we got

mickyyyy · 27-09-2011, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by reece1

give it time and you will get what i am saying cause i think everone is going to miss the system we got

Spot on bud!!!

Whoever thinks the new system is ok u have no idea, its hard enough dealing with 1 engineer to get things right.

Who's to say 1 engineer cant do it all??? i know 1 guy and he ACE and wont sign anything off unless it meets the requirements....

This new system will just turn ppl off big time which i can see the whole goal of it...

If anything they should go through current acredited engineer's signators and double check there work!!!

atec77 · 19-09-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by reece1

as of/after the 30th sept 2011 engineer signatories will no longer be able to pass your vehicle. the rug has been ripped out from under them. the powers that be are trying to implement a new system to have a modified car passed.this system in my view will fail. and will also over complicate the process so bad that people will give up. the whhispers have been around for a while about this but now it is here. the nanny state has gone over the top this time. we need to scream at the roads minister about this one in a huge way. or this may be the last major nail in the coffin.

I had a chat to Athol , can't repeat his comments verbatum but hope is rapidly disapearing

http://you-have-to-be-kidding.blogspot.com/ to keep updated
It would appear from what I can see the authority in Nsw got it very wrong indeed

billkara · 21-09-2011, 08:27 PM

I have heard a few things about this, mainly through my mate who is doing fabrication work on my car and my engineer.

Word is that this VSCCS is being implemented on September 30 even though the roads minister hasn't signed off on it. All current engineers (84 of them)have to re-apply to the RTA for a liscnce to engineer vehicles. And the RTA have over 1500 applications! So i can see every mechanic and his dog being able to certify a vehicle. But not everyone with a liscence can engineer a whole car. That is, some "business partners" will only be able to authorise the braking system, while others just the fuel system, ALTHOUGH there are some who can pass a whole car.

Also, rumour is that all current engineering certificates will stand. They will not be cancelling any of them UNLESS a cop pulls you over and defects you, then you can pretty much throw away your current certificate.

AND all engineering files open prior to sept 30 will be allowed to be completed even after VSCCS is implemented. Example, my car has a file open meaning i went and saw the engineer, he told me what to fix, opened a file, and is now waiting for me to go back to pass the car.

They are pretty much screwing over modified cars. My fabricator told me that the rules are so crap that to supercharge an XY, you will only be allowed about 270ci!! And also Shannons insurance has come out saying that if this goes ahead, they will most likely not insuring any modified vehicles.... FML

Again, this is word that I've heard from a friend in the business and an engineer who has attended all these RTA meetings... no one knows what the RTA will come out with from now until sept 30...

reece1 · 27-09-2011, 07:23 PM

have i started this thread in the right section? would there be a better section for it.

MEANXBCOUPE · 27-09-2011, 10:01 PM

Hi,
reece1, word is this has been put on hold till the end of October, spoke to my ginger beer the other day about it.
More info on friday when i meet with him about my brothers 429 XW ute.

Bunyip04 · 27-09-2011, 10:18 PM

This is Not a good thing for you New South Welshmen... My sympathies go out to you, and i hope i never get posted there....

blk6t · 28-09-2011, 03:16 PM

Can someone please clarafy for the simpletons, what is a modified car????

For example, say 200 cars in NSW go and get professionally lowered this weekend, do they all need to go and see a certified engineer for a compliance certificate?

Because technically the car has been modified.

Or if 10 people in NSW go and get their XR6 Turbo's tuned up at CV Performance or Tunehouse this weekend, again do they need a compliance certificate?

I can guarantee you that the 210 people that have had their cars modified this weekend for example (above) will have no idea about this and just continue on their merry way...

350125GO · 28-09-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blk6t

Can someone please clarafy for the simpletons, what is a modified car????

For example, say 200 cars in NSW go and get professionally lowered this weekend, do they all need to go and see a certified engineer for a compliance certificate?

Because technically the car has been modified.

Or if 10 people in NSW go and get their XR6 Turbo's tuned up at CV Performance or Tunehouse this weekend, again do they need a compliance certificate?

I can guarantee you that the 210 people that have had their cars modified this weekend for example (above) will have no idea about this and just continue on their merry way...

It is just for Engineer Certificates. I do not believe you require one for just a tune, only if you are doing major work such as adding a roll cage or something like that...

mik · 28-09-2011, 04:02 PM

does any one see a possible conflict between engineers and a lot more pain for those seeking approval? .......... i can just see it, one engineer says fit the brakes like this, the next engineer says you`ve fitted the brake pipes in the wrong place it will affect chassis yada yada yada,............ good luck NSW guys.

**redxm** · 28-09-2011, 04:30 PM

As far as I understand the current owner certified mods will still be allowed without a eng cert, eg 15% increase in engine size, wheels, suspension etc
Once you go outside these guidelines then you need certification
correct me if Im wrong

mickyyyy · 28-09-2011, 04:49 PM

Watch all the engineered car's sky rocket in price now............

I wonder what are the requirements for each engineering category, eg brake upgrade, chassic mods....

As far as i can see all the engineer's can do the job and there trying to make everything way more difficult!!!

reece1 · 12-10-2011, 09:53 PM

is anybody currently trying to get a car certified at the moment.

Uncle Niceguy · 12-10-2011, 10:12 PM

I imagine GTP370 would be getting close to that stage and i'd be worried if i were him especially if it isn't filed before due date.

FPVGT500 · 12-10-2011, 10:27 PM

Who even engineers basic mods like cai, exhaust and rims because i dont

HP-0351 · 13-10-2011, 01:58 PM

Below is a link to the first official piece of communication from the RTA NSW for Modified Vehicle Motor Enthusiasts regarding the meetings the ACMC Inc (Australian Confederation of Motor Clubs) have undertaken in the last few months.
http://www.confederationofmotorclubs.org.au/news.htm

350125GO · 13-10-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FPVGT500

Who even engineers basic mods like cai, exhaust and rims because i dont

I don't believe they are required. Major things such as - dropping a BB into a Cortina - would require one. As would tyres over a certain size/width, roll cages etc. Theres more info on the RTA webpage.