11-12k to spend on hot hatch

[Cheech]

As title suggests I'm looking at getting a little fun machine to complement the XR6T.

Must be under 100,000 klm

In the running at the moment are:

Peugeot 206 gti 180
Renault Clio sport 182

Will consider stretching the budget by a few k for a Mini Cooper S.

Any other suggestions ?

[Polyal]

You could find a clean 205 GTi and have a LOT of money left over to mod/restore/upgrade

I think the 182 will win this hands down. Id also look at maybe an DC2 Type R aswell. Most are around the $15k mark for a good one but I reckon they would have room to move on that.

206 got fat IMO, and not phat.

[Cheech]

Originally Posted by Polyal

You could find a clean 205 GTi and have a LOT of money left over to mod/restore/upgrade

I think the 182 will win this hands down. Id also look at maybe an DC2 Type R aswell. Most are around the $15k mark for a good one but I reckon they would have room to move on that.

206 got fat IMO, and not phat.

I like the performance of the 182 (0-100 in 7 flat) but the Cost of parts and build quality is a worrying.

XR4 handles great but definitely down on power. Also still quite expensive - they hold their value well.

[RG]

Originally Posted by Polyal

You could find a clean 205 GTi and have a LOT of money left over to mod/restore/upgrade

I think the 182 will win this hands down. Id also look at maybe an DC2 Type R aswell. Most are around the $15k mark for a good one but I reckon they would have room to move on that.

206 got fat IMO, and not phat.

Ever driven a 206 GTi? At just a shade over 1000kg I would hardly call it fat.

Forget the 205, you'll spend more time fixing/replacing/swearing than driving. The GTi 180 is a good thing, mines the lowly 138 and it is an absolute ball to drive. I actually prefer the pug on the twisty stuff over the old XR8. Parts are cheap for them too, just order everything from the UK and your servicing costs are less than that of any of the locals.

[woteva]

Originally Posted by RG

Forget the 205, you'll spend more time fixing/replacing/swearing than driving.

I purchased a 306 S16 last year and this pretty much exactly what happened! And parts are a ******* nightmare to find!

[RG]

Originally Posted by woteva

I purchased a 306 S16 last year and this pretty much exactly what happened! And parts are a ******* nightmare to find!

www.ebay.co.uk is a brilliant place to start. There are that many suppliers of Pug biys over in the UK that ship here for cheap you shouldn't have any issues.

Cheech, this has some bearing on your choice, how tall are you and what size shoe do you wear?

[Cheech]

Originally Posted by RG

www.ebay.co.uk is a brilliant place to start. There are that many suppliers of Pug biys over in the UK that ship here for cheap you shouldn't have any issues.

Cheech, this has some bearing on your choice, how tall are you and what size shoe do you wear?

175cm, size 9, 74kgs.

I won't have a problem getting into a small Frenchie.

I like the exterior styling of the Pug gti 180 but I like the engine in the Clio 182. After trawling through the Aussie Frogs forum, the general consensus is that there is not much more to be done in modifying these two vehicles. They were pretty good as they were direct from factory.

As I mentioned earlier though, I (and the Mrs) do like the retro styling of the Mini Cooper S, so might compare this with the Froggy's.

[vibe_xr6]

XR4 I love my mrs's, beats vu-vz sv6's and its basically stock. Also gets 9litres per 100k's round town and 7.2 on the highway.

[JJ500]

XR4! A lot of fun, handles well!

[FreddyDUZ747]

Renault Clio Sport will decimate all in every area in this price range.

[Franco Cozzo]

See if you can get a DC2 Integra Type R, but you'd be looking at $15K, but its basically the best performance FWD car of its era, they have LSDs as well.

[BrisVegas]

Integra VTIR or Type R. Fast and fun to drive, practical and economical.

[Polyal]

Actually id like to hear from anyone how has owned a DC2...what is the economy like? If you dont rev the bejesus out of it can they be ok?

Ive heard they dont mind a drink...how bad can they be?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Actually id like to hear from anyone how has owned a DC2...what is the economy like? If you dont rev the bejesus out of it can they be ok?

Ive heard they dont mind a drink...how bad can they be?

Don't bother owning it if you plan on keeping it under 5000 RPM haha, thats when the fun starts.

When I was working at Honda, we where getting reports of around 15-20L/100km when keeping it on the ball from their owners.

Don't bother with the VTI-R version when you can have the lighter Type R.

[BrisVegas]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Actually id like to hear from anyone how has owned a DC2...what is the economy like? If you dont rev the bejesus out of it can they be ok?

Ive heard they dont mind a drink...how bad can they be?

I had a VTIR for a year or so. 125kwatt and pretty light. I wanted a Civic VTIR originally, but I couldn't fit in it. The Integra had a little more headroom. It also had usable back seats, unlike the similar vintage Prelude.

It felt fast and made a great noise when the VTEC cam kicked in. I don't recall it being bad on fuel, it was actually very economical on the highway and comfy enough to go for a decent trip.

A Type R would most likely be more extreme, but the VTIR was a good daily driver.

[FreddyDUZ747]

As long as you have 5k rpm on the tacho all the time as a minimum the Integra could be called a hot hatch I suppose.

[Polyal]

Is that not the point...people bag VTEC but its a hoot...a 5.4 BOSS is not much different

[Polyal]

I guess what i was getting at is that is it possible to drive "normally" with a DC2 and it not drink like a rotary or a V8..LOL You dont need to drive like a banshee 100% of the time..maybe 50/50..hehe..I heard the same, they suck it down with you get stuck into them. Which kind of defeats the purpose of getting a smaller car IMO.

RG, I knew you would reply to that, no mallace intended, but if your buying a hatch for the sole purpose of having fun and as a second car then why not go all out?

For pure connection the 205 is hard to beat, agreed it wont be cheap but you can buy them for less than $5k and have a considerable budget for fixing/modding so it will be as good as new anyway.

If you need it to be a daily then yeah, not a flash idea.

[RAPID_BA]

My mrs used to own a 206 GTI. Heaps of fun in the twisties but maintenence was a pain in the ***. Cam gears every 4 years or 80000km. I'd bet most for sale overlook this maintenence as its $1500 along with water pump and pulley they do at same time. Its just too expensive to service maintain and peugoet dealers charge ridiculous prices. For the age they will have niggling issues. But a fun car to drive, good looker.

I'd imagine clio to be worse as less around.

If your budget can stretch get a polo gti. Turbocharged 1.8, just apr tuned and they will give most cars the hurry up. The little turbos with tune only spike at 22psi in the mid range to level out to 17-18psi top end..

They handle ok and build quality is good. Only issue is I hear the turbo bolts need tightened here and there. Otherwise that's my pick

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by HULK_BA

If your budget can stretch get a polo gti. Turbocharged 1.8, just apr tuned and they will give most cars the hurry up. The little turbos with tune only spike at 22psi in the mid range to level out to 17-18psi top end..

They handle ok and build quality is good. Only issue is I hear the turbo bolts need tightened here and there. Otherwise that's my pick

Was going to suggest this myself, great little car top build quality and a hoot to drive.
Running 22psi everyday isnt all that good for them though.

[FreddyDUZ747]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs_fj...eature=related

[LightningStrike]

A DC2 is now a 10+ year old car....and not all of them were bought by true enthusiasts who looked after them, so tread with caution.

I'll go left field and throw in a Colt Ralliart - get an 06/07 and you'll get a neat little five door with recaros and 110kw stock - with turbo tunability.

One not far from me on carsales at the moment, one owner 60ks for 12k with 17's and the standard rims included.
Bit out of the ordinary but doesn't seem like bad value! The later models apparently made the recaros an option only, and they can be had for very good money.

Actually, HULK is onto another good thing in the Polo GTi - resale is pretty strong in good colours (white, silver, red), but I know of a blue one that keeps popping up on eBay that can't sell at 12k with 80ks.....agian, decent value. Try and find one that had the sunroof pack (roof and leather) - it was about $5k extra new!!

[blueoval]

Something like this wins hands down for me. VW Polo GTI
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...=2&R=11392011&

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...=3&R=11288256&

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...=8&R=11315292&

[Airmon]

SR20 / SP20? A bit under budget, leaves room for a few bits and pieces. Could also look at a WRX around 99. A few clean ones around that price can be had, but they're a bit bigger.

[smoo]

It's not a hot hatch so to speak but is a fun small car... Late 1980s BMW 325is, 1200kg, 170hp, LSD, 0-100 mid 7 secs. Bullet proof 1980s BMW build quality and reliability. You may struggle to find one under 100k but at the end of the day the overall condition is more important than mileage. There is a reason why the 3 series is the most successful sports toruing car.

[Polyal]

325is is sweet no doubt, but people ask $15+ for a good one.

Even a 318is E30 is awesome.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Polyal

325is is sweet no doubt, but people ask $15+ for a good one.

Even a 318is E30 is awesome.

Geez didn't realise they demand that sort of coin, haven't had much to do with those 318is but don't they rev to 7 grand?!... the 2.5 6 seems like it was a more popular choice when new, the I6 was from the 1970s and it still smoother than a barra dohc lol, sweet engines.

[ChrisCE]

Originally Posted by Polyal

325is is sweet no doubt, but people ask $15+ for a good one.

Even a 318is E30 is awesome.

I had one of the E30 318i's 2dr, it was a fantastic little car, never had a car that handled as good since, supremely well balanced

The only probs with em were the fuel pump,

I want to get another one one day just for a track car

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Cheech

As title suggests I'm looking at getting a little fun machine to complement the XR6T.

Must be under 100,000 klm

In the running at the moment are:

Renault Clio sport 182

Originally Posted by FreddyDUZ747

Renault Clio Sport will decimate all in every area in this price range.

^^ This hands down, and nothing else....

Originally Posted by drew`SEVNT5

Buy one of the frenchies....

Bang^

Cheech, I will PM you some Info.

Lucky I found this thread, I am the only one qualified to answer your question, as I am a true Hot Hatchy, speak from invaluable experience (invaluable to you in this situation anyway :P) and I am Always right.

I owned a 182 Cup Clio from brand new for 4 years. The very best car I ever owned, and I loved it dearly. The only car that made me swap it over was its big bro, the Megane 250 which I have owned since March now.

There is no other hot hatch in the 182's price range that

• Handles (Especially with the cup package)
• Is relatively new
• Accelertaes (I used to Gtech 6.7 0-62 in mine with an Intake and a Milltek Exhaust)
• Has Xenon headlights
• Leather
• ESP
• Climate control
• Auto Wipers/Lights
• Cooled Glovebox

This info is all you need to know. Look for a 182 Cup, and you won't regret it. MOTOR BFYB winner, Evo's quoted "Best Hot hatch in the world".
182 Cup. No question in it. Sadly at the moment they are a little sought after and some guys on OzRenaultsport are experiencing difficulty in finding a good one .

Anyway, you will need to jump onto www. ozrenaultsport. com and join the forum (AussieFrogs is for guys in tartan shorts, socks, sandles and grey beards who take their thermos to French car days and picnic next to their Citroen), Ozrenaultsport is the premier Renaultsport Resource in Australia, we're a good bunch, and will help you out in your search. No Renaultsport vehicle for sale in australia Sells without the knowledge and scrutiny of the Ozrenaultsport Forum first, and generally soneone on the forum knows the history of any car currently for sale, such is the tightly knit community there.

Anyway, join up there, and ask away. The guys will be happy to help you search for a good one, and give you plenty of advice.

-Dan

[RG]

Originally Posted by Danny

^^ This hands down, and nothing else....



Bang^

Cheech, I will PM you some Info.

Lucky I found this thread, I am the only one qualified to answer your question, as I am a true Hot Hatchy, speak from invaluable experience (invaluable to you in this situation anyway :P) and I am Always right.

I owned a 182 Cup Clio from brand new for 4 years. The very best car I ever owned, and I loved it dearly. The only car that made me swap it over was its big bro, the Megane 250 which I have owned since March now.

There is no other hot hatch in the 182's price range that

• Handles (Especially with the cup package)
• Is relatively new
• Accelertaes (I used to Gtech 6.7 0-62 in mine with an Intake and a Milltek Exhaust)
• Has Xenon headlights
• Leather
• ESP
• Climate control
• Auto Wipers/Lights
• Cooled Glovebox

This info is all you need to know. Look for a 182 Cup, and you won't regret it. MOTOR BFYB winner, Evo's quoted "Best Hot hatch in the world".
182 Cup. No question in it. Sadly at the moment they are a little sought after and some guys on OzRenaultsport are experiencing difficulty in finding a good one .

Anyway, you will need to jump onto www. ozrenaultsport. com and join the forum (AussieFrogs is for guys in tartan shorts, socks, sandles and grey beards who take their thermos to French car days and picnic next to their Citroen), Ozrenaultsport is the premier Renaultsport Resource in Australia, we're a good bunch, and will help you out in your search. No Renaultsport vehicle for sale in australia Sells without the knowledge and scrutiny of the Ozrenaultsport Forum first, and generally soneone on the forum knows the history of any car currently for sale, such is the tightly knit community there.

Anyway, join up there, and ask away. The guys will be happy to help you search for a good one, and give you plenty of advice.

-Dan

Bah, Pug 180 > Cup 182.

Damn Renault owners