Can I put a hoist on a steel plate for portability

[superpursuit83]

Hi guys,

Wondering if anyone has put a 2 post hoist on a steel plate so you can pick it up and move it?

I am picturing a 16mm plate I can weld the post to. And I would imagine it to be the width of the hoist and maybe as wide as the lift arms are if you follow me.
That would be a plate around 3meters x 1.5m maybe?

But I have seen a picture of one similiar but it as outriggers to stop it falling over (front to rear).

Does anyone have experience with this set up at all?

We want to be able to just get one of my cranes if needed to move it around when required and dont want to bolt it down to concrete.

Any ideas welcome

[Road_Warrior]

You could probably do it, but would it be "legal"?

I've seen a trailer mounted one, that was pretty interesting. The issue would be the separation of the posts when the hoist is put under load if it is not bolted down (ie the plates could move sideways)

[mac_man_luke]

4 Post not an option? lots of them dont need to be bolted down.

[Boza]

Max jax make a portable 2 post hoist mate you can buy them in australia I've seen them advertised in some car mags

Here's there site www.maxjaxusa.com

hope its what your looking for

I have seen what you wanna do with bas results cars fall off or like others said the posts separate or the front and back stability is compromised so the car falls forward or backward not a good idea

here is a youtube vid of the max jax system very cool i think
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[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Boza

Max jax make a portable 2 post hoist mate you can buy them in australia I've seen them advertised in some car mags

Here's there site www.maxjaxusa.com

hope its what your looking for

I have seen what you wanna do with bas results cars fall off or like others said the posts separate or the front and back stability is compromised so the car falls forward or backward not a good idea

here is a youtube vid of the max jax system very cool i think
[.video=youtube;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5e5c8euXEw][/video.]

perfect if youre a midget.. 1100 lift height..

[Boza]

sorry mate I tried embedding the video but my computer skills suck so if anyone can teach me via pm would be good but have a squizz at the video

[AlbertM]

I would want to support the hoist as long as the vehicle you plan to put on it. Any shorter and there is a large risk the hoist could fall back or forwards.

Having said that, your biggest problem is if something does go wrong, you are using something it wasn't designed for and will be in a lot of trouble.

[superpursuit83]

I understand what ya saying albert. There is no risk of the hoist seperating because it will be welded to a full size steel plate. IE 1 x plate that both posts bolt to.

I was only concerned about the back and forward bit. I did find a hoist picture that has a full plate and outriggers which is getting closer to what I pictured in my head.

Not worried about worksafe or the like as it is my personel hoist for home work. I am losing the workshop it is in and want to do have options of putting it away in my main shed and simply getting it out when I need to.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by superpursuit83

I understand what ya saying albert. There is no risk of the hoist seperating because it will be welded to a full size steel plate. IE 1 x plate that both posts bolt to.

I was only concerned about the back and forward bit. I did find a hoist picture that has a full plate and outriggers which is getting closer to what I pictured in my head.

Not worried about worksafe or the like as it is my personel hoist for home work. I am losing the workshop it is in and want to do have options of putting it away in my main shed and simply getting it out when I need to.

I thought you were talking two plates that size going forward and back and I though it would not be enough, with your idea it will fall over as soon as you look at it, 1.5 meters will only give you 75 cm of support to stop it falling forward and back, add to that a car on a 2 meter lever (then overhanging that plate by at least a meter and a half on either end). I would only take the slightest push with one finger or a slight draft to blow the whole shebang over.

[mik]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I thought you were talking two plates that size going forward and back and I though it would not be enough, with your idea it will fall over as soon as you look at it, 1.5 meters will only give you 75 cm of support to stop it falling forward and back, add to that a car on a 2 meter lever (then overhanging that plate by at least a meter and a half on either end). I would only take the slightest push with one finger or a slight draft to blow the whole shebang over.

maybe i read it wrong i thought ie was 3m long by 1.5 w

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by mik

maybe i read it wrong i thought ie was 3m long by 1.5 w

Well that why I thought till I read post 7 above, where he says 1 plate 3 meters by 1 meter going crossways to join the two posts together, unless he means that plate as well as two more plates running back and fourth for a total of three plates??

Not real clear.

[mik]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Well that why I thought till I read post 7 above, where he says 1 plate 3 meters by 1 meter going crossways to join the two posts together, unless he means that plate as well as two more plates running back and fourth for a total of three plates??

Not real clear.

Yep your right mate, I think I would want a little longer than 1.5 metre longways even though I suspect the foot print for the portable scissor lengthwise would probably be not far off that, some of us old people are easy confused. ;( .

Awesome sketch jp

[mik]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I thought you were talking two plates that size going forward and back and I though it would not be enough, with your idea it will fall over as soon as you look at it, 1.5 meters will only give you 75 cm of support to stop it falling forward and back, add to that a car on a 2 meter lever (then overhanging that plate by at least a meter and a half on either end). I would only take the slightest push with one finger or a slight draft to blow the whole shebang over.

maybe i read it wrong i thought it was goin to be 3m long by 1.5 w

[mik]

i reckon that foot print of steel plate would be ok, the scissor lift has a slightly lesser foot print i think, we must think alike , i did think of doing something similar a while ago, although i was thinking of using inch thick plate(i like over kill )

i think you would find it a pain in the kyber to move when ever you want to use it all the time,
i also looked at the portable scissor lift for myself which goes up to about 1200 mm i think as our garage does`nt have a high roof ad it`s full of other people`s crap at the moment anyway o0,
with the scissor lift you lose a bit of area under the car, but i think in most circumstances you could get around that,
another option for me was get a full size 2 poster and leave it outside with some sort of cover to protect it from the elements,
i might add i could get a full height 2 poster cheaper than the portable scissor lift, a few hoists i looked at.

http://radum.com.au/catalog/index.php?cPath=11_246

i also thought this one was a pretty cool idea, as you can drive over it when it`s lowered, it`s a bit out of my price range.
http://radum.com.au/catalog/product_...oducts_id=6930

[pcman]

mate of mine has a radum scissor lift, http://radum.com.au/catalog/product_...qgdtrjudibdre1


add onto the price a new hydraulic hose the radum ones are rubbish and only last 3-6 months, also the safety release never worked we brought a new brake handle from a bike shop and used it instead of the radum plastic rubbish

[mik]

Originally Posted by pcman

mate of mine has a radum scissor lift, http://radum.com.au/catalog/product_...qgdtrjudibdre1


add onto the price a new hydraulic hose the radum ones are rubbish and only last 3-6 months, also the safety release never worked we brought a new brake handle from a bike shop and used it instead of the radum plastic rubbish

ah that`s no good at all, although i would probably still buy one and fix any dodgey bits...

[jpblue1000]

Balls, If your not worried about worksafe then just use bailing wire, here's a sketch of what your proposal might look like, bailing wire would be cheaper and allow you to buy some 4x2 to prop under each end to stop the car toppling over.


JP

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Balls, If your not worried about worksafe then just use bailing wire, here's a sketch of what your proposal might look like, bailing wire would be cheaper and allow you to buy some 4x2 to prop under each end to stop the car toppling over.


JP

That's how I pictured it.

Would fall over in a second flat IMO.

[superpursuit83]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Balls, If your not worried about worksafe then just use bailing wire, here's a sketch of what your proposal might look like, bailing wire would be cheaper and allow you to buy some 4x2 to prop under each end to stop the car toppling over.


JP

Thats what I have in my head. Although I will make plate a little wider than the lift arms. And decided to add some outriggers braced back to the top of posts. Outriggers to be removable or fold away so we can put it on a trailer.
Moving is not a problem as i have 10 cranes to help me there.
Worksafe cant touch me if I kill myself in my back yard.
This has nothing to do with work, just me and 2 mates that own the hoist.

Thanks for all the input guys. And dont worry, this hoist is for my ute, my turbo, mates ZD Fairy and BA Gt and other mates GT. We wont use something that may hurt our cars. Ya can break all my bones but we never risk hurting our babys

[redxm]

Originally Posted by superpursuit83

Worksafe cant touch me if I kill myself in my back yard.
This has nothing to do with work, just me and 2 mates that own the hoist.

Taken, if you cark it from a failed hoist then it wont be an issue for YOU

Your mates who are left had better get used to dropping a bar of soap

Worksafe has more powers than you think.
Farmers only work in their back yard. They cant hide from worksafe

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Balls, If your not worried about worksafe then just use bailing wire, here's a sketch of what your proposal might look like, bailing wire would be cheaper and allow you to buy some 4x2 to prop under each end to stop the car toppling over.
JP

That sketch is good, but i'd be worried about it toppling over. I'd extend the base as long as the car itself and add box beams along each side for strength. That could then have a beam from the corner to the top of the hoist for strength.

[superpursuit83]

^^ too big for transport. And way over engineered.
I dont know what some of you think we are lifting.
Its just a car on a ****y little two poster.
You can bolt these things to a 50mm slab if you add a slightly larger base plate that is supplied when required.

[FGII-XR6]

don't do it if it goes wrong ( and there is huge potential for this) you could end up in gaol and paying for it for the rest of your life. they have work safety legislation for a reason, if what you want to do doesn't comply then don't do it.

[Charliewool]

3metres x 1.5 x 16mm plate is 590kg. (Over 1/2 tonne) it'll be fine if you weld the two posts to the plate. And probably more stable than the 8 or so dynabolts that normally fasten the legs into the concrete.

[superpursuit83]

My thoughts exactly Charliewool. I have been in the game long enough to do this safely. But I will put on some nice PFC or SHS outriggers that swing back into the plate area to make it nice and compact.
Anyone need to hire a hoist, home delivered

[Charliewool]

The "footprint" of a two post hoist is surprisingly small (smaller than your sheet of plate) just watch your welding does'nt bow the plate and turn it into a "rocking hoist" stitch welds are the go.

[superpursuit83]

Welding not a problem. 25 years of engineering, fabrication and heavy equipment relocations should have that sorted.

Thanks again guys

[Itsme]

Go see an engineer to draw up the specs you need to make it portable then that way you know its legal & safe, would not cost that much

[superpursuit83]

Refer last paragraph of post #20.....

An engineer would have 6mm floor plate and bailing wire. And then the car would probably not fit on the hoist because a pole would be in the opening.

[Elks]

You can buy 4 post hoist from a company called tuff lift which come with jacking castors, just step on the jack and wheel it away. Then lower it i its new position. Slightly dearer than a 2 post but all done no hassles.

I'm considering getting one so you can let me know if they are no good. Lol