Do we expedite Territory being obsolete?

[carwant.com.au]

Ford is aiming to transition consumers from Territory to the new Kuga, but what do we do?

Do we start to purchase Kuga now, on the basis that Territory wont be around long term? Or do we continue to support Territory, which also supports Falcon?

For us personally, Kuga is too small, so it's a no go... Nevertheless, i say continue to support Territory if you want to continue Falcon into the future....

[Smoke Pursuit]

They want to sell both. I won't be buying a Kuga. Too small and under powered for me.

[Agile]

Totally different cars. Totally different market . Anyone in the market for a Territory would not look at a Kuga in a fit. Would be like a Prado buyer deciding on a Rav 4.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by floppy ears

Ford is aiming to transition consumers from Territory to the new Kuga, but what do we do?

No they aren't.


But wait for the Drive article on it.

[EDManual]

bit of a TROLL! Go away!

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by EDManual

bit of a TROLL! Go away!

Seems like a valid discussion to me.

Carry on.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Peuty

Seems like a valid discussion to me.

Carry on.

What?


A bloke comes on here with some un-substantiated rubbish, right when the perception of Ford's local models is at a low? More ammo for any journo's lurking to spruce up a article from?

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by Nikked

What?


A bloke comes on here with some un-substantiated rubbish, right when the perception of Ford's local models is at a low? More ammo for any journo's lurking to spruce up a article from?

The way I see it is the OP was asking opinions on what others would do or think if it were to happen.

When I say valid discussion, I didn't mean that I agree that Kuga will be replacing Territory etc, rather that I think the OP is not a troll and wants genuine opinions if it were to happen. I guess my issue is with members calling other members trolls without actually contributing to the discussion is a positive manner.

I'm sorry if anyone misunderstood my inital post.

[jpd80]

Kuga is all about filling the small SUV product gap..

Shock / horror, Ford may even get soem impressive sales thanks to Kuga,
depends on quantities ordered from Europe..

[nstg8a]

I was trying to convince my missus to get a Kuga instead of a cruze, there's no way they are the same market for territory buyers.

But new cruze pricing will most probably mean she's gets the Holden.

[carwant.com.au]

I agree that these are different cars, for different markets, however, look at Holden's Captiva sales (and simular small SUV's). I don't know the actual figures, but how many Territory sales were lost to Captiva, or Mazda's CX5/7? I'm sure someone at Ford marketing knows the answer....
And if we look at who is driving a Territory, yes some have three or more kids, but how many more have one 1 or 2 kids? Perfect for Kuga.
My guess is we will see alot less marketing on Territory and a lot on Kuga to gradiuly 'convince' people that the Kuga is a real Ford alternative to the Territory.
Lets see what happens...

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by floppy ears

I agree that these are different cars, for different markets, however, look at Holden's Captiva sales (and simular small SUV's). I don't know the actual figures, but how many Territory sales were lost to Captiva, or Mazda's CX5/7? I'm sure someone at Ford marketing knows the answer....
And if we look at who is driving a Territory, yes some have three or more kids, but how many more have one 1 or 2 kids? Perfect for Kuga.
My guess is we will see alot less marketing on Territory and a lot on Kuga to gradiuly 'convince' people that the Kuga is a real Ford alternative to the Territory.
Lets see what happens...

But were Teritory sales actually lost to those vehicles or was the lack of old Kuga and Escape a more valid reason...

Not as clear cut as you make out....

[csv8]

Auslandau..Ford is replacing the Falcon with the Taurus

[mik]

Originally Posted by csv8

Auslandau..Ford is replacing the Falcon with the Taurus

The other day I saw a rhino with wings............ honest !

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by mik

The other day I saw a rhino with wings............ honest !

This one?

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by floppy ears

Ford is aiming to transition consumers from Territory to the new Kuga, but what do we do?

Since when?

We've had enough doom and gloom crap this week thanks. Ford are more committed to the Territory than they are to the Falcon.

I smell a troll.

[carwant.com.au]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Since when?

We've had enough doom and gloom crap this week thanks. Ford are more committed to the Territory than they are to the Falcon.

I smell a troll.

Originally Posted by EDManual

bit of a TROLL! Go away!

The intention of this post was to have a valid discussion about Ford's intention. Last year, at Sydney Motor Show, the Kuga and Territory were sitting side-by-side. I remember talking to one Ford rep about needing to buy a Terra for this year. Even though i told him i have three kids, he kept pushing me to the Kuga. I went later back to Ford's (outside) stand and spoke to a completely different person, and yet the same thing; just pushing me to the Kuga. At that point, i started to wonder about Ford's real intention. Since then, i've seen heaps of Kuga advertising and it just annoyed me on Wednesday seeing more advertisment, so i posted this discussion. I do support Ford's local industry buy purchasing a new car as often as possible. Hope this clarifies my intention and sorry for any misunderstanding.

Originally Posted by Peuty

The way I see it is the OP was asking opinions on what others would do or think if it were to happen.

When I say valid discussion, I didn't mean that I agree that Kuga will be replacing Territory etc, rather that I think the OP is not a troll and wants genuine opinions if it were to happen. I guess my issue is with members calling other members trolls without actually contributing to the discussion is a positive manner.

I'm sorry if anyone misunderstood my inital post.

Correct, just asking what others views were. It's actually the first time i've posted a new discussion, and this was the intention, just a discussion, like when anyone goes to the pub!

Originally Posted by barra240t

New Kuga- L-4524 W-2077 inc mirrors H-1685
Territory- L-4833 W-1898 ex mirrors H-1716

For fun:

Captiva7- L-4673 W-1849 H-1727

You are best comparing a new Kuga with a Captiva floppy ears, are you in the market?

Yes, our lease is almost up; but defiently need a Terra or bigger, as i have three kids

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by floppy ears

The intention of this post was to have a valid discussion about Ford's intention. Last year, at Sydney Motor Show, the Kuga and Territory were sitting side-by-side. I remember talking to one Ford rep about needing to buy a Terra for this year. Even though i told him i have three kids, he kept pushing me to the Kuga. I went later back to Ford's (outside) stand and spoke to a completely different person, and yet the same thing; just pushing me to the Kuga. At that point, i started to wonder about Ford's real intention. Since then, i've seen heaps of Kuga advertising and it just annoyed me on Wednesday seeing more advertisment, so i posted this discussion. I do support Ford's local industry buy purchasing a new car as often as possible. Hope this clarifies my intention and sorry for any misunderstanding.

Ok no problem. Allow me to explain a few things. The Kuga is a global vehicle, competing in a HOT market segment. They are probably under pressure from HQ to generate interest in the Kuga as it is an all-new name to Australia whereas the Territory is not. They need to work to build the brand cachet of the car/badge whereas the Territory will more or less sell itself in numbers 1000-1200 per month comfortably. Head office have high expectations for the Kuga and are pushing the regional arms to generate interest in it to get it off the ground. A reasonable and forseeable process with any new car.

I don't think it is any part of a Ford conspiracy to shed the Territory, if indeed the Terri is to be replaced it won't be any time before 2017 and it would be with a vehicle like the global Ford Edge (next generation) or the SUV variant of the T6/Ford Ranger.

[Auslandau]

...... bit like saying that Ford is replacing the Falcon with a Fiesta.

[chevypower]

The Explorer is to be exported to more than 90 countries. What's the bet that it includes RHD countries like Aus, NZ, and Sth Africa?

http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=33011

I can't imagine the Territory and Explorer co-existing.

[Road_Warrior]

The question posed was loaded and made as if it is a fait accompli. It's not.

Originally Posted by chevypower

The Explorer is to be exported to more than 90 countries. What's the bet that it includes RHD countries like Aus, NZ, and Sth Africa?

http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=33011

I can't imagine the Territory and Explorer co-existing.

That release is 3 years old, the Explorer is on an orphan platform and I guess they would have released the Explorer to those 90 countries by now? I'm not aware of it being sold outside of Russia and Japan (and NA of course)

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

The question posed was loaded

And you are telling me this because....? It's not a loaded question because answering "no" does not imply a partial agreement.

Actually Alan Mullally reiterated the claim at the unveiling of the Ford Atlas concept. So the 90 countries thing still stands.

[Joe5619]

Ford will only have 2 SUV (Kuga & Territory), Toyota has 3 that sell very very well, Mazda have 2, Hyundai have 2, Holden have 2, so why can't Ford have 2? I don’t think of it as one is here to replace the other, there is just 2 very differently sized SUV Ford offer.


Also, Advertising for Kuga will clearly out way Territory for the next 12 months or so, because Kuga is an all new model & Territory is coming to the end of its current model. But when the 2014 Territory update comes out, the opposite will happen.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Ford will only have 2 SUV (Kuga & Territory), Toyota has 3 that sell very very well, Mazda have 2, Hyundai have 2, Holden have 2, so why can't Ford have 2? I don’t think of it as one is here to replace the other, there is just 2 very differently sized SUV Ford offer.


Also, Advertising for Kuga will clearly out way Territory for the next 12 months or so, because Kuga is an all new model & Territory is coming to the end of its current model. But when the 2014 Territory update comes out, the opposite will happen.

And then hopefully, T6 SUV isn't that far away

[csv8]

I have driven the Explorer LTD in America and its way better equipped than the Tezza..The base model is similar to the Titanium...their is also a sports model..I cann't see it coming here ,if it does, at a sensible price.....

[barra240t]

New Kuga- L-4524 W-2077 inc mirrors H-1685
Territory- L-4833 W-1898 ex mirrors H-1716

For fun:

Captiva7- L-4673 W-1849 H-1727

You are best comparing a new Kuga with a Captiva floppy ears, are you in the market?

[Rodge]

I think the different sized Toyota SUV's is the most pertinent analogy made here BUT when you look at the pricing, technology and equipment level's as well as the fuel efficiency of the new Kuga 2, I think its reasonable to assume the new Kuga will poach more than a few Territory sales especially where the two models are in their respective life cycles.

Kuga 2, especially with the optional technology pack, is a vastly improved, significantly more fuel efficient and somewhat bigger SUV than the first version that's for sure and provided they can secure adequate supply I reckon it'll sell like hot cakes. There's huge growth in this medium SUV segment because the reality is that's all the vehicle most families need and is much cheaper than the Terry which is a massive factor for many families.

[blk6t]

At the end of the day, you buy a vehicle that most suits your needs and gives you best value for your dollar.

I try to support local manufacturing as much as the next guy but I won't part with my hard earned just to support a declining vehicle model.

If the Kuga suits your needs and offers better value over the territory, well it's pretty clear to me what needs to be done. If the territory is better for you then buy it....

[aquahead2001]

Doesn't the Ecosport fall under the SUV category under the Compact SUV?

The funny thing about comparing the Exlporer with the Territory, it the Explorer is massive compared to the Territory. A better comparison would be the Edge. If it grow slightly, it could fit in 7 seats and be a direct replacement for the Tezza.

So where does the T6 SUV fit in the scheme of things when it arrives?

[rdmr]

One day, in the short to medium term Ford will have 4 SUVs.
Ecosport
Kuga
Territory
Everest