New Hoon Laws in QLD

[csv8]

Serial hoons in Queensland will have their cars crushed or sold after new laws passed in state parliament.

Police Minister Jack Dempsey says the laws are the toughest in the country and will stop people driving recklessly and street racing.

Officers from the Logan, Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast police districts can lay claim to having seized the highest number of vehicles under existing anti-hooning laws in the past year.

Police responded to 83 incidents of hooning in Logan in the past 12 months, confiscating 70 vehicles.
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More than 50 vehicles were impounded on the Gold and Sunshine coasts.

Across Brisbane, 63 vehicles were seized from hoons in the same period.

Under the new laws, a first offence will result in a hoon’s car being taken off the roads, while a second offence within five years will see the car either sold or crushed.

‘‘We are telling the people of Queensland that the police now have the legislative tools to truly put the brakes on hoons,’’ Mr Dempsey said in a statement.

“In the past we have even seen hoons lose control of their vehicles before ploughing into yards and houses injuring and, in some cases, taking the lives of innocent people.’’

The two strikes approach will apply to those committing Type 1 offences which include:

Dangerous operation of a motor vehicle
Racing and speed trials on roads
Wilfully starting a motor vehicle or driving a motor vehicle in a way that makes unnecessary noise or smoke
Evade police

The laws will come into effect in six months time.

The minister urges people who have a local hooning issue to contact their nearest police station or the Hoon Hotline: 13HOON (13 4666).
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/quee...417-2hz10.html

[EDManual]

aghh, just when I wanted to set the fastest time from the NSW/QLD border to the cape ever!!


Oh, and I wanted to start my vehicle before that!!!

[flappist]

Of course the nett effect of this is that as the penalties are so high many who once would have been found guilty of these offenses with be found not guilty.

e.g. Evade Police could mean racing away like "Fast and Furious" but could also mean turning off the road without even being aware that Police were chasing you.
N.B. Before the holy word wafts down from the altitudinal equestrians the more "undercover" the "Traffic SS" make their vehicles to more unlikely they are to be spotted after the Magnum PI style U turn and burnout as they try to catch up.......

[Kable72]

Really? Is this even necessary? 83 incidents in 12 months is not even a ripple in the pond compared to drink driving offences, minor accidents due to people not paying attention. Hell, I bet there are more people that get booked for running a stop sign.

[Eldubayu]

Originally Posted by Kable72

Really? Is this even necessary? 83 incidents in 12 months is not even a ripple in the pond compared to drink driving offences, minor accidents due to people not paying attention. Hell, I bet there are more people that get booked for running a stop sign.

Yes, it is necessary. 83 incidents with convictions doesn't include the thousands who don't get caught. I encourage all people affected by late night hoons (or any hoons) to video the cretins and hand the footage into the police.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Eldubayu

Yes, it is necessary. 83 incidents with convictions doesn't include the thousands who don't get caught. I encourage all people affected by late night hoons (or any hoons) to video the cretins and hand the footage into the police.

Originally Posted by xxx000

drink drivers often try to avoid police RBT too

all good news, bring the laws on and help get the serial crazies off the road

Not sure if trolls...

As some of the others have pointed out, "laws" such as these set an extremely dangerous precedent. It will give the cops a legal carte blanche to essentially do whatever they want.

[Eldubayu]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Not sure if trolls...

As some of the others have pointed out, "laws" such as these set an extremely dangerous precedent. It will give the cops a legal carte blanche to essentially do whatever they want.

Not trolls. Just ordinary people getting sick of immature cretins putting innocent people's lives at risk and waking me up on a Sunday morning at 4:00 am.

Cops don't have carte blanche. We don't live in totalitarian society mate. They enforce the law. You want the law changed, lobby the transport minister.

And to all the loud whiners out there. If you don't want your car crushed, don't break the road rules ................ Is that simple enough for the morons out there ?

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Eldubayu

Not trolls. Just ordinary people getting sick of immature cretins putting innocent people's lives at risk and waking me up on a Sunday morning at 4:00 am.

Cops don't have carte blanche. We don't live in totalitarian society mate. They enforce the law. You want the law changed, lobby the transport minister.

And to all the loud whiners out there. If you don't want your car crushed, don't break the road rules ................ Is that simple enough for the morons out there ?

You do realise that the wording of these legal instruments you are applauding is such that it leaves it up to the discretion of plod whether a "hoon" offence has occured AND the legal system backs him no matter what he says. Again as the others have said, losing traction for a second on a wet road in an unladen ute is a hoon offence as per this new "law". Officer Plod could legally charge the driver with a hoon offence, confiscate said ute for god knows how long all whilst having the full support and backing of the entire legislative system. So yes, such a legal instrument will give them carte blanche.

The most important part however, is that confiscation by the authorities of a car is nothing but legalised theft. Where is the outcry about this??? If I were in this position, I would be reporting a carjacking and lodging an insurance claim...

[xxx000]

drink drivers often try to avoid police RBT too

all good news, bring the laws on and help get the serial crazies off the road

[flappist]

Originally Posted by xxx000

drink drivers often try to avoid police RBT too

all good news, bring the laws on and help get the serial crazies off the road

Yeh we could have stopped all the terrorism by nuking the entire middle east and other "hot spots".
Collateral damage is not important is it?

In the "avoiding RBT" offence which of these is legal.

1) Doing a u turn to go back home to turn off the oven just before the "hidden" RBT (do not say they are not hidden as this is a standard practice in QLD).
2) Turning into a driveway/shopping centre car park before the RBT.
3) Just pulling up on the side of the road for whatever reason.
4) Being a P plater and realising that your license is in the other pants/bag and going back to get it.
5) squillions of other scenarios

The most worrying thing about this trend is the growing mentality that there are two types of drivers, criminals who have been caught and criminals who have yet to be caught and all actions are illegal until proven otherwise with the onus of proof on the victim.......

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by flappist

In the "avoiding RBT" offence which of these is legal.

1) Doing a u turn to go back home to turn off the oven just before the "hidden" RBT (do not say they are not hidden as this is a standard practice in QLD).
2) Turning into a driveway/shopping centre car park before the RBT.
3) Just pulling up on the side of the road for whatever reason.
4) Being a P plater and realising that your license is in the other pants/bag and going back to get it.
5) squillions of other scenarios
..

I have a friend who did (2) because he lived up a side street situated around 50m prior to where the police had a RBT set-up. He claims the police officer chased him (on foot) and verbally abused then breathalysed him in his driveway.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yeh we could have stopped all the terrorism by nuking the entire middle east and other "hot spots".
Collateral damage is not important is it?

In the "avoiding RBT" offence which of these is legal.

1) Doing a u turn to go back home to turn off the oven just before the "hidden" RBT (do not say they are not hidden as this is a standard practice in QLD).
2) Turning into a driveway/shopping centre car park before the RBT.
3) Just pulling up on the side of the road for whatever reason.
4) Being a P plater and realising that your license is in the other pants/bag and going back to get it.
5) squillions of other scenarios

Can we cut the all too frequent 'attitude' pls?
I'm talking about them turning/turning off and running away: speeding, police behind them, lights and sirens going NOT your scenarios

[flappist]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Can we cut the all too frequent 'attitude' pls?
I'm talking about them turning/turning off and running away: speeding, police behind them, lights and sirens going NOT your scenarios

Yes I know you are and in the scenarios of which you speak you position is quite valid.

Unfortunately the laws are being created without the provision of adjudicating as to whether a event falls into your or my descriptions.

I know of several examples where there has been a police chase for many kilometres where the target was totally unaware they were being chased due to other traffic and environment.

If a law has no provision for flexibility then it can often invoke injustice.

e.g. BAC 0.049 totally ok, 0.050 illegal, whereas the impairment of the BAC is completely different for every person and even different for the same person depending on a squillion other parametres.
If someone kills another in a crash but their BAC is only 0.049 even though they were quite impared is that just "tough"?

With law making it seems the focus is always "how can I look good in the public eye dealing with this problem" rather than "how can this go wrong and who will be affected when it does".

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by xxx000

all good news, bring the laws on and help get the serial crazies off the road

Yeah, those people who "Wilfully starting a motor vehicle or driving a motor vehicle in a way that makes unnecessary noise or smoke"

We need to take their cars off them if this happens twice in 5 years. So starting your car and givng the throttle a stab is now that bad.

What a joke, it is not hard to write good laws. We just have to hope now no traffic copper gets up on the wrong side of bed.

[EDManual]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Yeah, those people who "Wilfully starting a motor vehicle or driving a motor vehicle in a way that makes unnecessary noise or smoke"

We need to take their cars off them if this happens twice in 5 years. So starting your car and givng the throttle a stab is now that bad.

What a joke, it is not hard to write good laws. We just have to hope now no traffic copper gets up on the wrong side of bed.

What a joke!

Are they going to take my mad two stroke 70hp yamaha boat motor away when I give it a Rev on the trailer to make sure it starts before fishing or after for a water flush? ?

[EVLKNEVL]

Originally Posted by csv8

...toughest in the country and will stop people driving recklessly and street racing.

And what happens when this regime (inevitably) fails to stop people driving recklessly and street racing? A new set of even harsher laws, and when they also fail, even harsher still?

I thought the last round of toughened-up anti-hoon legislation was supposed to have fixed the problem?

[jpd80]

There's enough police power and practicality in the existing laws to not need this latest political statement.

I agree with Flappist, if these laws are incorrectly framed and too draconian, charges could be thrown out.

When police hit the sirens, failure to stop when directed now takes on any metric the police like to apply,
The new legislation needs to spell out anti-social behaviors as distinct from undue care and attention.
That way, antisocial behavior could be classed as dangerous driving and fall under the criminal code...
That's a whole different kettle of fish...

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by EVLKNEVL

And what happens when this regime (inevitably) fails to stop people driving recklessly and street racing? A new set of even harsher laws, and when they also fail, even harsher still?

I thought the last round of toughened-up anti-hoon legislation was supposed to have fixed the problem?

well to me it's obvious that "HOONS" arent such a big problem.
And now instead of people pulling up and copping a fine they will run from the cops to try and avoid their cars being taken

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by tezxr8man

....And now instead of people pulling up and copping a fine they will run from the cops to try and avoid their cars being taken

Exactly

[Quasi]

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As much as I share Mr. Soper's concerns about such legislation, his comment quoted (probably out of context) is an invalid point and a poor argument. If someone is found driving without a license it is on them.

There is an onus of responsibility upon all enthusiasts, in fact all drivers, to obey the road rules. Whether it be speed limits, red lights, or common sense when in control of a motor vehicle.

At the same time, ANY law being enforced in relation to street machines and hot rods is wide open to interpretation by the police officer involved. Being realistic, there are officers that would simply like to be seen to be doing thier job by getting as many modified cars, as well as restos and muscle cars, off the street as possible regardless of the age or IQ level of the driver.

In all fairness to the police however, there are a lot of officers who do enjoy looking at well cared for and maintained street machines, hot rods, and muscle cars, but an unfortunate fact of life is that true enthusiasts are greatly outnumbered by ********* who do stupid things, and the ******* who encourage them.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Quasi

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As much as I share Mr. Soper's concerns about such legislation, his comment quoted (probably out of context) is an invalid point and a poor argument. If someone is found driving without a license it is on them.

There is an onus of responsibility upon all enthusiasts, in fact all drivers, to obey the road rules. Whether it be speed limits, red lights, or common sense when in control of a motor vehicle.

At the same time, ANY law being enforced in relation to street machines and hot rods is wide open to interpretation by the police officer involved. Being realistic, there are officers that would simply like to be seen to be doing thier job by getting as many modified cars, as well as restos and muscle cars, off the street as possible regardless of the age or IQ level of the driver.

In all fairness to the police however, there are a lot of officers who do enjoy looking at well cared for and maintained street machines, hot rods, and muscle cars, but an unfortunate fact of life is that true enthusiasts are greatly outnumbered by ********* who do stupid things, and the ******* who encourage them.

Seriously?

Driving without a license is in all cases a crime against humanity?

Yes driving while under disqualification or having never held a license in normal situations i.e. not emergency situations should be strictly enforced but just not paying the license fee for a few days because:

1) You had more important things on your mind like family, health or personal issues and just forgot about it as not everyone is an obsessive compulsive paper shuffler.
2) You had a choice between buying food or medicine for your kids or paying the now quite expensive license fee as not everyone is doing all that well financially and you can afford it next week maybe.
3) Any other reason that come form people living their lives.

If you don't pay the license fee do you immediately forget how to drive?

How will huge fines and confiscation of vehicles from the above benefit anyone or anything in society?

Drivers license fees are just yet another tax and it seems more and more that the greatest crime you can commit in this country is interfere with government revenue.

I have never paid one cent in renewals for my pilot's license which I have held for decades.
Of course state governments have nothing to do with aviation......

Why is it so many are prepared to hurt the innocent just to push an agenda that may slightly reduce the number of people who are actually not causing much of a problem anyway.

I would like to see a law where everytime a public servant or politician stuffed something up they were fined personally and if they did it 3 times in 5 years they went to jail. Stuffing up would include taking too long to do anything.

Now wouldn't THAT change our society for the better.......

[K93George]

In a sense the offences are broad; however, I couldn't imagine someone with merely a "loud" exhaust being done for unnecessary noise for just driving about casually. It would appear to apply to an engine that is screaming off the limiter or tyres screeching.

Dangerous driving seems straight forward, can't see how it would be misinterpreted honestly. Evading police doesn't mean driving into your drive way just before an RBT, or continuing to drive 50m with lights/ sirens in the mirror, it would mean driving through multiple intersection most likely above the limit with the intention of getting away from the police (for example).

Street racing is another no brainer, its obvious what racing on the street is, it can't be honestly misinterpreted. I'd imagine, quick take off by both participants or a line of them with or without tyre screeching.

I'm confident these laws would have no effect on me if they be introduced in Vic. It'll cause some of my friends to require a lift to work though! The issue I see here is, these laws require the person be caught, you'll never catch them all or have eyes on every street corner, till you do that you will never remove every hoon off the road. The things I've seen people my age do...

[pottery beige]

VN Commo population in QLD will be culled with these laws..

[Kable72]

And the many thousands more that don't get caught to the already thousands that do without roadworthy cars, DUI and generally have no clue how to drive at all. Yeah sounds about right. Take theirs cars and licences and make them lose their jobs just as much as losing your car for good will with this new legislation that is purely aimed at securing votes rather than looking at the bigger problem.

Hoons are a minority of a minority and quite often one who feels the need will go out to an industrial area or an otherwise deserted area where no one but themselves will get injured and yet Police still willingly single out these people who feel the need. In all honesty this is getting beyond a joke. Anything these days is classed as a hoon offence, foot slipping of the clutch and a little bit of tyre noise. Hoon. Driving a ute in the wet with no weight in the back and it steps out a little. Hoon. Having a vehicle that is too loud. Hoon. This is nothing but an utter joke that is not looking at the big picture rather than blowing up a small portion of said picture.

[Angeldust]

Grabage... won't stop the fatalities like the one on the story bridge in front of a speed camera thats just happened here last week. (there's been two fatalities in as much as the last 3 years on this bridge. There's a speed camera for revenue rasing purposes so all is fine i guess)

im beggining to think people had/have more freedom in eastern europe than we do here.

[Kable72]

It's all well and good to say "Don't break the law and you'll be sweet". You can't tell me that you've never, ever broken a road law ever made ever. You cannot. And if you have, you're a liar. Anything can be labelled as hoon behaviour now as there is no clear cut line as to what a hoon is and you can thank the media for that as they call everything on the road hoon behaviour.

[Eldubayu]

Originally Posted by Kable72

It's all well and good to say "Don't break the law and you'll be sweet". You can't tell me that you've never, ever broken a road law ever made ever. You cannot. And if you have, you're a liar. Anything can be labelled as hoon behaviour now as there is no clear cut line as to what a hoon is and you can thank the media for that as they call everything on the road hoon behaviour.

No one is saying that they have never broken the law. But if you break the law, you will pay the consequences. As most of us have.

Hoon, and have your car confiscated/crushed ..... Simple.
Import drugs into Indonesia, and you get the death penalty ..... Simple

It's pretty clear cut to me.

Introduce new laws and it is usually the criminals that complain the loudest.

[ronwest]

I'd have thought that existing laws would have catered adequately for anti-social morons who are too selfish or too stupid to realise that they never were and never will be the centre of the universe.

[Kable72]

Wasn't a statistic released some time last year that at time of post that only 12 people had been killed since the hoon legislation was introduced? Don't know if it was 12 people exactly or not but it was a rediculously small number compared to other offences.

[ronwest]

Originally Posted by Kable72

Wasn't a statistic released some time last year that at time of post that only 12 people had been killed since the hoon legislation was introduced? Don't know if it was 12 people exactly or not but it was a rediculously small number compared to other offences.

That may be the case (I don't know).

Hoon laws imo are (or should be) also about anti-social behaviour. I really don't want to be woken up at 2am every morning because some dip**** wants to do donuts on the corner of my street (sorry, "our" street).

I get that kids want to impress themselves and their mates with their skill and derring-do but my street or your street (or our street) ain't the place for it.

Perhaps those who feel really strongly that the laws go too far could start lobbying appropriate authorities to set aside more areas for kids to "express themselves".