Ford's Future

b2428 · 02-07-2013, 09:28 PM

I know this might have been covered and I do apologise as too much work and not enough sleep may have meant i missed a previous thread.

I am Ford through and through. I will be blue over till i die. But I am trying to get a handle on who is sick of the put downs and carry on about the demise of the falcon. Don't get me wrong i am totally gutted, feel terrible for those workers it effects and feel like i have lost one of my own.

However I would love to focus on the future. I want to focus on the future. I want to focus on the great products in the future. I as a a Ford supporter, support all of the Blue oval products as meeting the needs of certain people. In saying this I am sick of getting the impression that because i don't own a falcon I am not supporting Ford as best I can.

What i am trying to see is if i am the only one that sees that people seem to be singling out those that dont own a new falcon or can't/don't plan to buy one as being not true ford supporters.

Basically i'm sick of the FORD BASHING that seems to be going around.

K_Man · 02-07-2013, 09:55 PM

Glad I'm not the only one that feels that way. The Pub hasn't been the nicest place lately.

I could go on a decent rant, but I am not interested in a holiday.

Lets just all try and be a bit more optomistic though. What's done is done unfortunately. Lets at least try to look forward to 2014.

Itsme · 02-07-2013, 10:04 PM

Can see where you are coming from as I have owned falcons in the past & now own a Ranger(import)
Personally I don't care what others think, I choose to buy what I think suits me & I'm still a Ford supporter.

99AUXR · 02-07-2013, 10:19 PM

Downstairs at the moment two Falcons a Ranger and Mustang, (living at home with parents). Blue oval in this house hold till the end, regardless of country. For example the new ranger is an amazing step forward in its class especially the Wildtrak as it puts the FG GTP to shame in allot of areas for ~20k less. So if ford going global is going to provide us with a car that excels as much as the ranger, then exciting times ahead IMO.

b2428 · 02-07-2013, 10:38 PM

I'm just glad to see I'm not the only one out there. As you can see I own 3 Ford's and the misses has a micra soon to be a new pulsar sedan which I must admit isnt the most sporty car but is so nice to be in on a drive still, so quite and comfy, just sick and tired of the who har and want to see some positive instead of the negative

Trump · 02-07-2013, 10:41 PM

The reason the Pub has been chock full of vitriol and vociferous debate since Ford announced the cessation of local manufacturing is because a lot on this forum are blue blooded because of Falcon and don't give a rats rear end about the rest of the Ford range. As a result, the future isn't a Ford one for these people.

PS. I'm partially one of those, but if Mustang heads our way come 2015-16 at a decent price, I'll be a buyer.

b2428 · 02-07-2013, 10:42 PM

That's well and good for them but what why do the rest of us have to suffer. Each to their own as far as im concerned.

duaned · 02-07-2013, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by b2428

That's well and good for them but what why do the rest of us have to suffer. Each to their own as far as im concerned.

Well if you're suffering then why not do something more productive about it? Don't read the threads! Why cry all about it here? As you said you want to focus on the future, please do! Buy a new Falcon if you will. Put your mind at ease.

b2428 · 02-07-2013, 10:52 PM

Maybe suffering is the wrong word and I apoligise if it comes across as all whinging. Not my intent. It just seems that the pub has become all doom and gloom. I for one intend if possible to grab one last falcon, but I am also looking to the new phase that Ford takes one. Guess i'm more of a ford supporter till i die which includes such a huge soft spot for the falcon rather then a falcon or nothing supporter.

fte50 · 08-07-2013, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

The reason the Pub has been chock full of vitriol and vociferous debate since Ford announced the cessation of local manufacturing is because a lot on this forum are blue blooded because of Falcon and don't give a rats rear end about the rest of the Ford range. As a result, the future isn't a Ford one for these people.
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Bingo, majority (not all) are Falcon derived supporters and supporters of muscle & classic. Its symbolic and connects to the enthusiasts.
Don't know about most here I only speak for myself, but I don't go snap my neck when an 86 Meteor passes by, nor would I even notice a parade of Lasers, Taurus, Mondeo etc at an AFD for example.
My future with Ford product will only be used Falcon based, and should I need different I think enough competition exists in most cases to get a better product at a better price than a Ford offering. Toyota or Holden for starters.

Resurrection · 09-07-2013, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

The reason the Pub has been chock full of vitriol and vociferous debate since Ford announced the cessation of local manufacturing is because a lot on this forum are blue blooded because of Falcon and don't give a rats rear end about the rest of the Ford range. As a result, the future isn't a Ford one for these people.

PS. I'm partially one of those, but if Mustang heads our way come 2015-16 at a decent price, I'll be a buyer.

What I find surprising is the moderators of this forum don't seem to understand why there is so much vitriol about the end of the Falcon and are trying to keep us quiet.

Rodge · 09-07-2013, 08:34 AM

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What I find surprising is the moderators of this forum don't seem to understand why there is so much vitriol about the end of the Falcon and are trying to keep us quiet.

I disagree with you on this. Most of the Mods are Ford / Falcon / FPV enthusiasts themselves and I started a thread titled "disaffected by Ford's decision to end local manufacture", or titled with words to that effect, which is still current and open in the page 1 of the pub section.. to give people a chance to air their feelings and get a bit of frustration off their cheast and for me it was quite a cathartic experience. As the Op I took quite an interest in how such a potentuially highly controversial thread like this would be moderated and noted that Mods didn't interfere in any unusual way whatsoever. I think they understand that many people are feeling disaffected because I suspect they're felling that way a little themselves. As time goes by more and more people will gradually come to terms with the announcement on 23 May. I think that people who have taken the opportunity to vent a bit of frustration are probably helping themselves come to terms with their feelings of loss. That's a healthy part of the process, in my opinion.

Crazy Dazz · 03-07-2013, 12:36 AM

So, you’re “totally gutted, feel terrible for those workers it effects and feel like i have lost one of my own,”
but are “sick of the carry on about the demise of the falcon”?
So not so “gutted” after all?

Hey, it’s a free country, if I want to believe I'm the King of England (despite all evidence to the contrary) that’s my choice. Similarly if people want to believe that they are true Ford supporters, all the whilst bagging Ford’s number one product and getting stuck into those that actually do support it, like I said it’s a free country.

That said, I'm not sure we need a thread to bleat that those who don’t support the Falcon are the ones hard done by?

NX74205 · 07-07-2013, 10:03 PM

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Similarly if people want to believe that they are true Ford supporters, all the whilst bagging Ford’s number one product and getting stuck into those that actually do support it, like I said it’s a free country.

No one's bagging the Falcon. I love the Falcon, I've owned two of them, but I can get over its demise because Ford has other terrific products in its line-up. I can also understand that Ford had no choice but to make the decision to cease manufacturing in Australia in light of the losses they were making while doing so, and in light of the ever declining Falcon sales over the past decade.

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I for one fall into the 2nd group.

Likewise. I'm a Ford fan much more so than a Falcon fan. Ford have plenty of magnificent products in their line-up, and as far as I'm concerned, so long as it's a Ford, it'll go straight to the top of my shopping list in any segment.

The Ford brand is bigger than any model. Yes, Falcon has been around for 53 years, but Ford has been around longer. Models come and go, but the one constant is Ford. So long as I have a Ford to buy, I'll be happy.

Rodge · 08-07-2013, 02:21 PM

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No one's bagging the Falcon. I love the Falcon, I've owned two of them, but I can get over its demise because Ford has other terrific products in its line-up. I can also understand that Ford had no choice but to make the decision to cease manufacturing in Australia in light of the losses they were making while doing so, and in light of the ever declining Falcon sales over the past decade.

Likewise. I'm a Ford fan much more so than a Falcon fan. Ford have plenty of magnificent products in their line-up, and as far as I'm concerned, so long as it's a Ford, it'll go straight to the top of my shopping list in any segment.

The Ford brand is bigger than any model. Yes, Falcon has been around for 53 years, but Ford has been around longer. Models come and go, but the one constant is Ford. So long as I have a Ford to buy, I'll be happy.

You havn't owned an FPV have you !! To put it frankly, you have no idea what you missed out on and the value of what's going from the menu. Blind brand loyalty is exactly that...Blind. It won't suprise me in the slightest if the replacement vehicle, if any, is'nt as good in which case performance enthusiasts like myself will most likely shop elsewhere come replacement time.

NX74205 · 08-07-2013, 09:55 PM

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You havn't owned an FPV have you !! To put it frankly, you have no idea what you missed out on and the value of what's going from the menu. Blind brand loyalty is exactly that...Blind. It won't suprise me in the slightest if the replacement vehicle, if any, is'nt as good in which case performance enthusiasts like myself will most likely shop elsewhere come replacement time.

No, I haven't owned an FPV as I've never been in the position to afford one.

But I disagree that my loyalty to Ford is "blind", I remain loyal to Ford because their products are of a very high standard. Aside from Falcon and Territory, I've driven the Fiesta, Focus and Mondeo, and I would buy any of those in an instant if I was looking for a replacement for my BF. Ford - at least in Europe - have built a reputation as being solid, reliable, nice to drive cars, not to mention great looking, which is why I've become very much a fan of modern European Fords.

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If they want to cater for people that like boring cars and the mums and dads that aren`t into cars and have no passion for cars so be it, but don`t expect brand loyalty from those they dumped.

So you're suggesting that only Australian made Fords are not "boring"? Have you forgotten that Ford are bringing the next generation Mustang here? Focus ST? Fiesta ST?

Never mind the hero "performance" models, their stock standard (and I use that term loosely) models are also very capable cars to drive when compared with similar cars of its class. Focus is miles better to drive than the Cruze, and Mondeo is similarly a class (or two) ahead of the Camry. Boring cars? Ford don't make them.

mikeeman_ford · 03-07-2013, 06:25 AM

Years ago when they mentioned going to the "one ford" global platform, i was excited. Sure i love my falcon, and it will be sad to not have new ones, but, i love MY falcon, dont care for new ones.
The benefits of this change. More R&D into each car as they are global product. In theory cheaper spare parts (as there is more parts made globally) and what i like most, more people will have tuning products, better manifolds, exhaust's, NOS kits, you name it, as it is the same car globally, we can get a bolt on upgrade from the states (if the dollar is ok)

I am hopeful for 2 things though
1. they give us the mustang at a reasonable price
2. FPV (or equivalent) take the Taurus and make a beast of a car

Rodge · 03-07-2013, 07:23 AM

Its only natural that many people feel pretty upset at the moment and it will take myself and many other enthusiasts quite a while to get our heads around it after all some of us have invested huge sums of money, time, energy and enthusiasm into Ford's and FPV's over a very, very long period of time.
Its also perfectly normal that people want to vent their feelings a bit and get their sadness and frustration off their cheast.

As has been suggested above there's a simple solution, if you don't like the thread topic perhaps its a good idea to think about whether you really want to read what's in there ?

sbcb · 03-07-2013, 07:27 AM

Train yourself to be really shallow, that way you won't stay bummed about anything for to long.

westy73 · 03-07-2013, 08:53 AM

Well I am Ford through and through..

Have owned 1967 XT Fairmont, 1973 XY Fairmont (converted to GT Replica),
1997 EL Falcon, 2004 BA Falcon, 2004 BA XLS Ute and 2007 AWD SR Territory.

The models that suit my needs are the large sedan or station wagon/ute. Unfortunately they won't be making these after 2016 so I won't be buying Ford products again but will have to retain the ones I have. This in not my doing but Ford's !! There is a market for large sedans/wagons/utes in Australia but they have chosen not to support it.

GT450 · 03-07-2013, 09:45 AM

Most here are proving the OP to be right as the bashing continues. No more Falcon , it's finishing , either buy one or get over it nothing you say on here is going to change that.
I look forward to whatever the new offerings may be not whingeing about about what they definitely won't be.
It was a hard decision for Fomoco to make and it's done, they didn't screw the government and the workers like Homoco are trying to do, I am with the OP , build a bridge , buy another brand but just stop bashing Ford. They are NOT leaving just NOT manufacturing.
GT450

westy73 · 03-07-2013, 10:01 AM

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Most here are proving the OP to be right as the bashing continues. No more Falcon , it's finishing , either buy one or get over it nothing you say on here is going to change that.
I look forward to whatever the new offerings may be not whingeing about about what they definitely won't be.
It was a hard decision for Fomoco to make and it's done, they didn't screw the government and the workers like Homoco are trying to do, I am with the OP , build a bridge , buy another brand but just stop bashing Ford. They are NOT leaving just NOT manufacturing.
GT450

I for one am NOT bashing Ford. However the vehicles that suit my needs are large passenger sedans or wagons. Ford have decided not to make them here any more. They won't be importing large sedans either. So my needs are not met by Ford so I will have to retain my large FORD FALCON sedan as long as I can or TERRITORY in my case. Dumping your heritage is not a smart move in MY opinion.

vztrt · 03-07-2013, 10:36 AM

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They won't be importing large sedans either.

I'm led to believe that there will be a large sedan coming after Falcon. Same for SUV.

westy73 · 03-07-2013, 11:17 AM

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I'm led to believe that there will be a large sedan coming after Falcon. Same for SUV.

Not what you read from motoring mags. They say there is a market for large sedans yet Ford OZ are canning that market. My point is really if there is a market and you are manufacturing cars here for that market why stop ? They ARE making enough to make money out of them but it's the amount of money they make that is the problem.
Remember the void for large sedans in OZ has been one created by Ford USA. They obviously DON'T see a market for them yet I buy them. I doubt they will import a large sedan and everyone has been saying the market numbers are too small to do so hence why manufacturing has ceased in OZ. I will ***** and moan about it as long as I like, got nothing to do with bagging Ford either but because I am BLUE BLOODED through and through and I for one love the Falcon and Territory products. Telling me to suck it up GT450 will make no difference. Will always stay true to Ford OZ manufactured products because I love THEM and love their HERITAGE. Period.

vztrt · 03-07-2013, 11:37 AM

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Not what you read from motoring mags. They say there is a market for large sedans yet Ford OZ are canning that market. My point is really if there is a market and you are manufacturing cars here for that market why stop ? They ARE making enough to make money out of them but it's the amount of money they make that is the problem.
Remember the void for large sedans in OZ has been one created by Ford USA. They obviously DON'T see a market for them yet I buy them. I doubt they will import a large sedan and everyone has been saying the market numbers are too small to do so hence why manufacturing has ceased in OZ. I will ***** and moan about it as long as I like, got nothing to do with bagging Ford either but because I am BLUE BLOODED through and through and I for one love the Falcon and Territory products. Telling me to suck it up GT450 will make no difference. Will always stay true to Ford OZ manufactured products because I love THEM and love their HERITAGE. Period.

I don't get my info from mags. The large car segment is a small market so using a car that is produced in large quantities somewhere else and importing it will lead to a better ROI for Ford (not Australia).

westy73 · 03-07-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

I'm led to believe that there will be a large sedan coming after Falcon. Same for SUV.

Ranger SUV apparently which is no comparison to a Territory. Sorry.
Drum rears I mean come on. At least that's what I have read about it.

westy73 · 03-07-2013, 11:42 AM

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I'm led to believe that there will be a large sedan coming after Falcon. Same for SUV.

What is your source for this information ?

vztrt · 03-07-2013, 11:52 AM

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What is your source for this information ?

The industry itself.

vztrt · 03-07-2013, 09:50 AM

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Basically i'm sick of the FORD BASHING that seems to be going around.

So the Falcon bashing that's been going on here for over 5 years was fine?

Once Falcon is gone the masses have to sook about something else.

GT450 · 03-07-2013, 10:10 AM

Not enough people wanted to buy Falcons and wagons that's why they are ceasing production, just too many other choices out there. At the moment we have no idea what the replacements may be. You make your choice as you see fit if it's not a Ford, fine but stop the complaining it's not going to change Ford future in Aus one iota.
There was Ford heritage before manufacturing in Australia and there more heritage will be post manufacturing,nothing stays the ame forever , that's life.
GT450