FG FPV GT Rspec vs VF HSV GTS by MOTOR Mag

[Sorted]

Out Now - Just added the thread so no HSV Fan boys adds a stupid title

[ford man xf]

My prediction is that the GTS will be promoted as the most amazing car that has ever hit the Australian market, despite the fact it will be around .2 of a second quicker 0-100m almost identical quarter mile to the R-Spec
The GTS has got an amazing suspension and brake package though, which you would expect with the price tag it comes.

[40RDT]

I picked up a copy of this today at the airport to read on the plane, pretty good read not the results I was expecting though

[Motorbreath310]

According to the cover - the GTS 'mauled' the R-Spec.

If anyone here has read the comments on fullboost.com.au's faceache page regarding the article; I'm sorry to hear that....

[Falcojimmy]

Comparing apples and oranges. Two different generations of car, at different price points and with different power and tech in each. I'd be worried if they said the Holden didn't perform better than the Ford.
Fact is though that the Ford is nearly as quick despite being well down on power.

[Tokyo Geoff]

I read a bit while in the queue at Coles and they said, if I remember clearly, some ordinary things about the Ford like it's a dinosaur! The GTS is however $20k more expensive and a newer model, hardly a fair fight. Hopefully the FH or whatever it will be will satisfy the Motor critics, as if!

Hopefully Ford does something nicer with the interior than the plane Jane FG though.

[BHDOGS]

Haha now they compare the r-spec to little to late motor mag ****ers when's the comparison between the r-spec and ve come out **** faces they are

[Sorted]

Copied off Fullboost's facebook page

Just by the title you can see where the article is headed

[stevz]

Is this a rebirth of the "Any VF performance figures out there yet" thread?

Waiting for the usual suspects to start spewing their anti-GTS propaganda.

[Sorted]

Nope - I really thought it was a new comparison by Motor Mag but maybe I am seeing things lol

[Windsor220]

Bit odd they put the result on the cover.

[jimmyxr6t04]

In my opinion it shows how good the FPV is, and has been. It only took HSV 3 years and a 100k car to do it. It's a real shame that FPV won't be around any longer to counter the HSV.

Imagine the R-Spec with a tickled up tune, intercooler and some higher tech to assist with getting all that power down.

[40RDT]

For anyone interested in figures:

R Spec
0-100 = 4.67
Lap time = 1:08.8

GTS
0-100 = 4.55
Lap time = 1:05.6

Both cars auto btw

[Grippy]

Originally Posted by 40RDT

For anyone interested in figures:

R Spec
0-100 = 4.67
Lap time = 1:08.8

GTS
0-100 = 4.55
Lap time = 1:05.6

Both cars auto btw

What track was the test done at?

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by Grippy

What track was the test done at?

Broadford wherever that is

[Sorted]

Originally Posted by 40RDT

Broadford wherever that is

That's primarily a Motor Bike Race Track
Very short 2.16klm track with 12 corners
Best Track to use the full potential of the HSV Gadgets I presume........

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by Sorted

That's primarily a Motor Bike Race Track
Very short 2.16klm track with 12 corners
Best Track to use the full potential of the HSV Gadgets I presume........

Yes short circuit with 12 corners and one long straight, the difference in track times would widen further on a bigger track

[BHDOGS]

.12 of a second to 100 thats ******* it whoopie ******* do

[deesun]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

.12 of a second to 100 thats ******* it whoopie ******* do

BUT its 3.2 secs a lap faster and thats a lot.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by deesun

BUT its 3.2 secs a lap faster and thats a lot.

It's daylight, and quite frankly more than I'd have expected.

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by b0son

It's daylight, and quite frankly more than I'd have expected.

Same I was expecting may 1-2 seconds tops but over 3 seconds on small track is pretty damn impressive

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by deesun

BUT its 3.2 secs a lap faster and thats a lot.

3 seconds around a track awesome next time im driving to maccas at hinley street ill remember not to get into a track race with one to the next traffic lights

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by deesun

BUT its 3.2 secs a lap faster and thats a lot.

not really when you compare the suspension, the falcon has good suspension but more of a mainstream everyday setup where the GTS has the ability to change to a track mode which changes a lot when cornering and braking are involved.
I would have liked FPV to go a lil more track orientated with the R-Spec but then they(Tickford Included) have been going too soft with the setup since the EBGT so we should be used to it
Why can't they just make a car that is Ballistic When it has an R-spec Badge on it ???

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by tezxr8man

not really when you compare the suspension, the falcon has good suspension but more of a mainstream everyday setup where the GTS has the ability to change to a track mode which changes a lot when cornering and braking are involved.
I would have liked FPV to go a lil more track orientated with the R-Spec but then they(Tickford Included) have been going too soft with the setup since the EBGT so we should be used to it
Why can't they just make a car that is Ballistic When it has an R-spec Badge on it ???

I've alwAys thought the way fords have generally been softer set ups as a good thing over the years. Makes for a better day to day ride as 99% will only cruise around anyway. If you want to track it then you have to put better suspension most of the time anyway. Except maybe if your paying 100k for a GTS

[dl86]

All this whiz bang suspension bs in the GTS when my 2k Shockworks coilover set up in the GT set up would probably run rings around it lol and that's without the 18" Enkei RPF1's I have on stand by when my current rubber wears out.

[PepeLePew]

Fact is as driven out the showroom that's likely it.

That said I'd be interested in a simple change of rubber on the RSPEC to see how much influence the tyres on the GTS have on its track result in proportion to its other advantages. Don't get me wrong not implying a win it isn't going to happen just curious.....

Once again though the Miami just reminds me of the little engine that can, 1.2l down, huge disadvantage on paper and more....yet straight line at least not a bad showing. Did they run a quarter though?

[XBGTFGGTP]

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

Fact is as driven out the showroom that's likely it.

That said I'd be interested in a simple change of rubber on the RSPEC to see how much influence the tyres on the GTS have on its track result in proportion to its other advantages. Don't get me wrong not implying a win it isn't going to happen just curious.....

Once again though the Miami just reminds me of the little engine that can, 1.2l down, huge disadvantage on paper and more....yet straight line at least not a bad showing. Did they run a quarter though?

Different tyres would be interesting as the standard Dunflops reach their limit very quickly. Not saying the GTS would loose as on paper it should decimate the Falcon, but with better tyres I'm sure the margin would be closer.

[Chopped]

Also tested at the Broadford track (same edition of Motor Mag) -

1:11.9 Peugeot 208 GTI
1:10.1 Fiesta ST
1:09.7 VW Golf GTI
1:09.5 Volvo S60 Polestar
1:08.8 FPV GT R Spec
1:06.3 Merc A45 AMG
1:05.8 BMW M6 GC
1:05.5 HSV GTS
1:05.1 Jaguar F-Type V8 S
1:05.0 Porsche Cayman S
1:04.0 Audi R8 V10 Plus

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Chopped

Also tested at the Broadford track (same edition of Motor Mag) -

1:11.9 Peugeot 208 GTI
1:10.1 Fiesta ST
1:09.7 VW Golf GTI
1:09.5 Volvo S60 Polestar
1:08.8 FPV GT R Spec
1:06.3 Merc A45 AMG
1:05.8 BMW M6 GC
1:05.5 HSV GTS
1:05.1 Jaguar F-Type V8 S
1:05.0 Porsche Cayman S
1:04.0 Audi R8 V10 Plus

Wow that's fast.....the GTS has twice the gap the rspec has on a fiesta

Did the article make any excuses for the rspec.....like its cheaper price tag and old model vs new?

There was track records broken at another track not long ago.....forget where. But the record WAS the F6. And it certainly wasn't more then 3 secs for the new time!

[strik9]

gt is very outdated now, god bless her.
but it would have had similar headlines when it was realised with the sc .shame we will never see a fair comparison of a 100k gt vs 100k hsv.

you have to be realistic when comparing these sorts of cars. i rekon anything there comparing needs to be in same price bracket. like when they compared the new gts to a 230k merc. pretty bloody pointless.