QPol Must Now Meet Quotas..

[csv8]

Queensland police will roll out a scorecard system for cops in an effort to reduce crime by 10 per cent.

The average number of traffic fines, random breath tests, street checks and calls for service per officer will be assessed on the scorecards along with budgets and overtime.

Civil libertarians fear it’s a return to the controversial ‘‘kill sheets’’ of the 70s and 80s where quotas for fines were set.

Queensland Council for Civil Liberties vice-president Terry O’Gorman says the system could lead to police abusing their powers to reach quotas.


He says complaints were already being received about police abusing search powers in the wake of anti-bikie laws passed late last year.

‘‘Last year senior police indicated RBTs would be used as an opportunity to search cars for evidence of crimes other than drink-driving,’’ Mr O’Gorman said.

‘‘This has led to police unnecessarily searching cars and bullying and blustering innocent citizens into so-called ‘consent’ searches.’’

He said police must be made to tape all contact with citizens when the new scorecard system is in place and is urging the commissioner to introduce a rigorous monitoring system.

Scorecards are being trialled in several areas including on some squads on the Gold Coast.

Police Commissioner Ian Stewart told The Courier-Mail newspaper the scorecards were a way of ‘‘demonstrating to the public they are getting value for money’’ from the police service.

He also said the system generally focused on the performance of a group of officers.

‘‘And then the team leaders then assess the individual members. The balanced scorecard is more about group assessment than individual assessment and that is one of its strengths,’’ he told the paper.

AAP

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/quee...#ixzz2pJWaAACh
My Comment : Is this why the guy was fined for 1km over ? and the other guy for having his window down ???? This will lead to harrassment to meet quotas....

[DJM83]

All you can do is really at the amount of stupid at Qpol

[XBROO]

This is nothing new they've always had a quota to meet each month, I was told by a copper quite a few years back.

[Ben73]

must "now" meet quotas

[damo6]

Because the media found out we must "now" know about it. Definately shades of ol" jack boot petersen."ah qld,perfect one day, booked the next."

[NC1183]

Time for recording devices in your cars

[pottery beige]

KPIs

der

[Charliewool]

Agree pots.... KPIs nothing new!
And sick to death of these bloody pol pol scare threads
Who cares!

[csv8]

Charliewool its not a "bloody pol pol scare thread " its information on what is happening and FF members should need to know. Its how a police state starts.....

[superyob]

Originally Posted by csv8

Charliewool its not a "bloody pol pol scare thread " its information on what is happening and FF members should need to know. Its how a police state starts.....

With traffic tickets?

Seriously, my definition of a police state is one where citizens are spied on to make sure they are thinking 'correct' thoughts, cannot voice dissent for fear of retribution and where people who are 'undesirable' disappear in the dead of night... We may get there one day but not anytime soon... Police states usually start with armed conflict and an admiral who is willing to fire on his own people.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by superyob

With traffic tickets?

Seriously, my definition of a police state is one where citizens are spied on to make sure they are thinking 'correct' thoughts, cannot voice dissent for fear of retribution and where people who are 'undesirable' disappear in the dead of night... We may get there one day but not anytime soon...

Sounding a bit like Queensland to be honest.... Where arbitrary detention is legal, freedom to associate is abolished, the right to a fair trial is only if you have enough money, you can only own or work in what businesses the state says you can work in, where cops stop you entering a business to ask you why your going in there, where they are legally allowed to strip search, and photograph you regardless of having committed a crime...
Freedom of speech? Taken at your own risk...

[superyob]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Sounding a bit like Queensland to be honest.... Where arbitrary detention is legal, freedom to associate is abolished, the right to a fair trial is only if you have enough money, you can only own or work in what businesses the state says you can work in, where cops stop you entering a business to ask you why your going in there, where they are legally allowed to strip search, and photograph you regardless of having committed a crime...
Freedom of speech? Taken at your own risk...

You make it sound just like a police state!

[noflac52]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Sounding a bit like Queensland to be honest.... Where arbitrary detention is legal, freedom to associate is abolished, the right to a fair trial is only if you have enough money, you can only own or work in what businesses the state says you can work in, where cops stop you entering a business to ask you why your going in there, where they are legally allowed to strip search, and photograph you regardless of having committed a crime...
Freedom of speech? Taken at your own risk...

You forgot the confiscation and destruction of legally owned property by government agencies.

It is sounding like its on the road to a police state to me.

If my memory of history is not too vague, didn't Hitler start this way well before any cannons were fired? The gradual erosion of peoples rights until people were afraid to speak up until it was too late. Hitler was elected he didn't take over the country with an army.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by noflac52

You forgot the confiscation and destruction of legally owned property by government agencies.

It is sounding like its on the road to a police state to me.

If my memory of history is not too vague, didn't Hitler start this way well before any cannons were fired? The gradual erosion of peoples rights until people were afraid to speak up until it was too late. Hitler was elected he didn't take over the country with an army.

No comparison. The subject is to big to document here though. Completely different circumstances and social value systems were in place back then...

[EVLKNEVL]

Originally Posted by superyob

With traffic tickets?

Seriously, my definition of a police state is one where citizens are spied on to make sure they are thinking 'correct' thoughts, cannot voice dissent for fear of retribution and where people who are 'undesirable' disappear in the dead of night... We may get there one day but not anytime soon... Police states usually start with armed conflict and an admiral who is willing to fire on his own people.

I'd say most people would be concerned that it's even heading in that direction.

[Road Games]

It has already started !!!

[Charliewool]

Yeah yeah... Like the other 10,000 police threads.
I'd also suggest a fair proportion of the forum reads a newspaper most days?

[AU1XLS]

Back on topic

[Burnout]

It's like these ridiculous fines handed out in the late weeks, its just the coppers fulfilling the quotas and being performance managed, like most of you are.
They are also sticking it up their Commissioner who has said all the gloves are off. Its quite funny because the coppers who wrote these fines are going to sit at a desk for the next six months answering the written investigations into their actions. That alone will put more coppers on the road, yeah, right. Meanwhile the adjudication branch will cancel lots of these silly fines along with the courts.
Forgetaboutit!

[cs123]

If the police commissioner is pushing the police to write more tickets and investigate more crime won't the stats show an increase in crime rather than a 10% decrease?

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by cs123

If the police commissioner is pushing the police to write more tickets and investigate more crime won't the stats show an increase in crime rather than a 10% decrease?

on the other side of the coin, how do you make sure your officers are out 'working' rather than sleeping on the side of the road somewhere? if it's totally necessary, it's probably ok to have quotas, but that quota should NEVER be how much money they can make in a shift.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

it's probably ok to have quotas, but that quota should NEVER be how much money they can make in a shift.

So what happens if and when the good officer cannot find anybody breaking a road rule - what is the result of missing the quota?

Now picture this officer the next day when pickings are again slim but he sees someone "nearly" breaking the road rule.............

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by tweeked

So what happens if and when the good officer cannot find anybody breaking a road rule - what is the result of missing the quota?

Now picture this officer the next day when pickings are again slim but he sees someone "nearly" breaking the road rule.............

Exactly the point why quotas should NEVER be linked to police fines/charges. It's just asking for corruption to creep in.
As for doubt over things, that's the whole way speed cameras work...they rely on not stopping you immediately when you're detected allegedly speeding. They rely on simple human weaknesses of memory. Quick...think back two weeks ago, at 3.54pm...how fast were you driving at that moment? Exactly how fast? Not a rough guess, down to the last kilometer, at that moment in time.

When you get a photo in the mail weeks later, the staggering majority of people will just believe the lie they have been told about the infallibility and absolute 100% accuracy of a speed camera, and push aside any niggling doubts they had about their speed (not that they will remember it with any detail). They'll pay up, assuming that they might have drifted over the limit, and "ordure occurs".
That's why the vast majority of speeding fines are less than 10kph over the limit...people will accept that maybe they did let their speed drift a bit, and will pay the fine. The whole system works on keeping doubt in yourself.

Now, bring in a system where coppers have to meet targets, and one of two things will happen.
First, police will be keeping a much closer eye on traffic offences, and catch more people to meet their quotas...sorry, "targets". This will be the result of more feet on the ground and higher scrutiny of peoples driving habits and behaviour. Not a huge amount to argue with there I suppose.

Or Second...well...I think you can all guess what the other alternative is to meet quotas...

[ozpacman]

Originally Posted by tweeked

So what happens if and when the good officer cannot find anybody breaking a road rule - what is the result of missing the quota?

Now picture this officer the next day when pickings are again slim but he sees someone "nearly" breaking the road rule.............

I don't really believe that the average Australian driver is that good that there could be a shortage of obvious traffic offences for a traffic officer to spot on a given shift. I don't really think the pickings would ever get that slim - especially in Queensland!

Russ

[noflac52]

Originally Posted by ozpacman

I don't really believe that the average Australian driver is that good that there could be a shortage of obvious traffic offences for a traffic officer to spot on a given shift. I don't really think the pickings would ever get that slim - especially in Queensland!

Russ

Referring to the quotas that never existed in NSW. A copper friend of mine once told me that they had a special spot that they would go to get their fines for the day up to par if they were a bit short on, to avoid getting a rap over the knuckles from their more senior members.
It was a good section of country road where the speed limit was set artificially low. Because of this they were assured of one or two drivers drifting over the limit because of the situation. On the other hand they didn't normally target this spot because they all knew that it was unfair to people because of the speed limit being incorrectly posted but quotas that didn't exist forced them to head there sometimes.

[BHDOGS]

The police are probably ****ed of at being asked to do stupid **** like this so there giving the gov bad press by writing stupid fines to get it reversed

[dragons90]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

The police are probably ****ed of at being asked to do stupid **** like this so there giving the gov bad press by writing stupid fines to get it reversed

It wouldn't surprise me if the cop from the 1k over fine, got in trouble for being to lenient on low range speeders so he gave that fine to somebody that would kick up a stink, to prove a point.

[BHDOGS]

An admiral? Firing on us with his battle ships? just move further away from the shore haha

[superyob]

Sounds like a plan except I think admirals are usually in charge of all three branches of armed forces? Off course my knowledge of military hierarchy may be slightly askew...

[Shonky.]

Ha ha, I'll pay that AU1 ;)