Quality Control on the last Aussie cars??

johnydep · 24-10-2014, 11:48 AM

Just finished speaking to the owner of a large repairer, got on to the subject of buying the last Aussie car in the last year. He was telling me that they've had a number of vehicles coming in with issues such as electrical plugs not connected properly, loose fasteners, etc.

Is this some sort of protest or sabotage?

I had a plan to buy the last year model. Not sure now

Franco Cozzo · 24-10-2014, 12:02 PM

Morale would be low but I don't think people would be intentionally sabotaging new cars going down the line as all that effects is the poor customer, not the company overly much.

Vesper Martini · 24-10-2014, 02:00 PM

Not Sabotage, But I think a lack of enthusiasm would be a contributor.
there's going to good and bad ones IMO,

SensationFG8 · 24-10-2014, 02:21 PM

I dunno, I chatted a lot to some of the guys that build these at the fanatic day. They all seemed really passionate and enthusiastic still!

vztrt · 24-10-2014, 02:44 PM

The guys that are still left are under the pump so they would be rushing as they have about 4.5 minutes of work on a car. The car is electrically tested on the line so unfortunately the there is enough of a connection there.

As for fasteners it would be anything safety related or critical as they are monitored through the torque guns.

johnydep · 24-10-2014, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

The guys that are still left are under the pump so they would be rushing as they have about 4.5 minutes of work on a car. The car is electrically tested on the line so unfortunately the there is enough of a connection there.

As for fasteners it would be anything safety related or critical as they are monitored through the torque guns.

Correct. The theory I was told is that the connectors are pushed in just enough to make an electrical connection but not enough to click the locking tang. The car leaves the factory/dealership and the customer has many weeks or months faultless driving, then annoying electrical issues start to pop up.

The fasteners are not safety related, I was informed that its parts that cause rattles.

Seems to be affecting the top of the line models.

Hopefully it's just a bad month.

I was also told that there's a case being put together by a lawyer for a few clients, which could go to court if a satisfactory outcome isn't sorted.

T MAN · 24-10-2014, 03:30 PM

it could just be that the guys assembling the cars just don't give a rats, they know there out of a job soon and there love for the job might just be disappearing....

MITCHAY · 24-10-2014, 06:24 PM

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it could just be that the guys assembling the cars just don't give a rats, they know there out of a job soon and there love for the job might just be disappearing....

That's no excuse to do a crap job (not saying they are).

If you take a job you do it to the best of your ability regardless of how much you are paid, whether you like it or not, or if the job exists in the future or not.

Auslandau · 24-10-2014, 06:18 PM

Why would people be taking new cars to somewhere else if its a warranty issue? Thats why you buy new ........ ?

There are checks all the way along the lines and again at the very end. Quality control is tight, even though some things do somehow get through, they would be very limited. Quality procedures have not changed and I would have no problem buying the last of a model.

Anyone found not doing their job can still get the sack with less benefits than staying to the end and find it a little offensive to suggest those that do work there to think they have nothing to work for so why should they bother?

danzvtil · 24-10-2014, 07:11 PM

I think its a cop out to the guys and girls who build these things to say that they don't care, I mean an electrical connection is either connected or its not. What ford and holden are victims of is global sourcing of parts which have characteristics inferior to the same part which used to be made here. Im no conspiracy theorist about "its not made here so its crap", I mean china can make parts to any standard.
My second FG ute had the washer motor die at 6 months old and I CBF booking it in for the day to have it replaced under warranty, so I went to a wrecker.The new part in my car was a no name chinese part ford bought in under its global sourcing policy, I replaced it with a Denso branded identical for $30.
Years ago, my then company used to up spec through the dealer the diffs as the OEM specs only lasted 3 years. Now, there is no choice and the factory diffs were only lasting 2 years, they were from Malaysia.
These problems are an outcome of Fords buying decisions globally and theres not much aussies can do about it, that's the nature of mass production.

Bossxr8 · 24-10-2014, 09:05 PM

People have pride.

rdmr · 24-10-2014, 10:43 PM

^^What he said.
No lack of pride from where I stand.

MITCHAY · 24-10-2014, 11:08 PM

I'd have to say if you built the FGX and were not proud of what it is and what it stands for, you'd have to be a pretty bitter person. It is a nice car.

Itsme · 25-10-2014, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

Just finished speaking to the owner of a large repairer, got on to the subject of buying the last Aussie car in the last year. He was telling me that they've had a number of vehicles coming in with issues such as electrical plugs not connected properly, loose fasteners, etc.

Is this some sort of protest or sabotage?

I had a plan to buy the last year model. Not sure now

I think this person is having a lend of you, as mentioned why would people go to a repairer when dealers will fix under warranty, makes no sense.

This topic should be closed!

FGX335 · 25-10-2014, 02:08 AM

Anyone who works in construction would know that you are constantly building yourself out of a job. Doesn't mean you do a half *** job. The peeps building this car have pride, look at their attendance at the Fanatic filming or the pics that we keep seeing. I'm not concerned at all, just hoping I get a car not built on Friday arvo!

johnydep · 25-10-2014, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by trublu

I think this person is having a lend of you, as mentioned why would people go to a repairer when dealers will fix under warranty, makes no sense.

This topic should be closed!

Come on! Lots of things happen in the world, without your knowledge. It doesn't mean you put your head in the sand & lock threads

I'm sure there will be some problems as both manufacturers get closer to shutting the doors, how they deal with it will be the deciding factor.

Hopefully this is a storm in a tea cup. I'm a serious potential buyer, I want to hear people's story so I can make up my mind. If there's nothing in it, great. If there is....

pottery beige · 25-10-2014, 08:30 AM

dood, i highly doubt there is anything of actual substance behind your attempt of anecdotal internertz hysteria

johnydep · 25-10-2014, 08:56 AM

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dood, i highly doubt there is anything of actual substance behind your attempt of anecdotal internertz hysteria

Fair enough, then there wont be anyone coming back with examples. right dude?

Funny how all the people not buying a new last model are the ones commenting

We're on a forum - An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages

pottery beige · 25-10-2014, 09:15 AM

so what is be the name of this large repairer??

Itsme · 25-10-2014, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

Come on! Lots of things happen in the world, without your knowledge. It doesn't mean you put your head in the sand & lock threads

I'm sure there will be some problems as both manufacturers get closer to shutting the doors, how they deal with it will be the deciding factor.

Hopefully this is a storm in a tea cup. I'm a serious potential buyer, I want to hear people's story so I can make up my mind. If there's nothing in it, great. If there is....

FGX is a follow on from the FG, few cosmetic changes, tweaks & reintroduction of the XR8, what possible could be wrong with it!

I know! Read all the problems of the FG here on this forum & they will be rolled over in the new model, with the help of a few saboteurs on production line you will have lemon.

Seriously if Ford went to the trouble of presenting a new model I'm sure it will be something good for being last ever model produced.

I still think some one is telling you porkies!

Dr Smith · 25-10-2014, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

Just finished speaking to the owner of a large repairer, got on to the subject of buying the last Aussie car in the last year. He was telling me that they've had a number of vehicles coming in with issues such as electrical plugs not connected properly, loose fasteners, etc.

Is this some sort of protest or sabotage?

I had a plan to buy the last year model. Not sure now

Ahh.... you see this is where you don't have to worry...anything this repairer has worked on is PRE-FG-X..

Smoke Pursuit · 25-10-2014, 06:26 PM

I call bull****. There was an issue with a rubber gromit on GTF's and it was handled extremely well. Your friend better watch what he says as unless he's got proof it's pretty defamatory, not only towards Ford but the people who build them.

bobthebilda · 25-10-2014, 08:28 PM

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I call bull****. There was an issue with a rubber gromit on GTF's and it was handled extremely well. Your friend better watch what he says as unless he's got proof it's pretty defamatory, not only towards Ford but the people who build them.

Mate, unless you have rewritten the laws of defamation in the last few days, you will find that anyone can say the baddest things of a companies products, practices etc, and the company cant do a damn thing about it, except put forward their side of the story. The guy who recently got people to smash up his jeep, because he said it was a lemon, jeep cant do a damn thing to him. The people on this website who bag car companies and their crap products etc, do it quite freely (and the site would crack down on it if was even close to defamatory), because nothing can come of it. Imagine how far back into the stone ages consumer law would go, if people werent able to complain about companys, if they knew the company had the financial might to take them to court over a bad comment. Thus I call bull**** on your bull**** call.

Vesper Martini · 27-10-2014, 02:59 PM

[QUOTE=bobthebilda;5244515]The guy who recently got people to smash up his jeep, because he said it was a lemon, jeep cant do a damn thing to him. The people on this website who bag car companies and their crap products etc, do it quite freely (and the site would crack down on it if was even close to defamatory), because nothing can come of it. QUOTE]

Just on that Jeep, it would have been one of last run of cars out of the Toledo plant before it closed..

Smoke Pursuit · 27-10-2014, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Mate, unless you have rewritten the laws of defamation in the last few days, you will find that anyone can say the baddest things of a companies products, practices etc, and the company cant do a damn thing about it, except put forward their side of the story. The guy who recently got people to smash up his jeep, because he said it was a lemon, jeep cant do a damn thing to him. The people on this website who bag car companies and their crap products etc, do it quite freely (and the site would crack down on it if was even close to defamatory), because nothing can come of it. Imagine how far back into the stone ages consumer law would go, if people werent able to complain about companys, if they knew the company had the financial might to take them to court over a bad comment. Thus I call bull**** on your bull**** call.

Its got nothing to do with law. Its about protecting the product and the people who work for Ford. People going around making these sort of comments with out proof can jeopardise a product and or the people who build it.

While legally it will have no bearing on the author, it can have a bearing on the people involved. So people should actually wake up to themselves and think about that.

commodorenutt · 25-10-2014, 07:27 PM

Exactly. This is a massive dig at the people assembling these cars. A lot of the guys/girls WANT to be at work - they build them with passion, and numerous quality checks. Any sort of sabotage would be quickly found and dealt with.

With the numbers of volunteers for redundancy at record lows, nobody would risk their job by deliberately sabotaging a step in the assembly process. Their peers would soon expose them (and they'd be next in line for VR if they're not sacked on the spot).

johnydep · 25-10-2014, 08:06 PM

you guys, so predictable. Some of my best mates have worked on the production line, I could tell stories that would make owners scream. None of it new, there been reports & news shows about it since the 70's. So just calm down & say yes or no, but don't put up a smoke screen.

As I first said - I was informed about issues. It could be BS, it could be exaggeration, it could be fact. Post up your experience & we'll see what comes up & then I'll make up my mind whether to buy the last model in the last year.

Ps. I'm many beers in to a party

Itsme · 25-10-2014, 10:11 PM

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you guys, so predictable. Some of my best mates have worked on the production line, I could tell stories that would make owners scream.

This can be said for any company involved in manufacturing so nothing new in your statement.
Either you believe in the product or you don't, pretty simple when you think about it.

Cheers.

vztrt · 27-10-2014, 11:34 AM

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As I first said - I was informed about issues. It could be BS, it could be exaggeration, it could be fact.

I would say exaggeration. There has been a change with the slow down so the first lot of cars wouldn't be the greatest. Like I said anything that would be a danger (as in bolts) is monitored on a system or anything electrical that important (from a safety point of view) is more robust then a simple click.

Bossxr8 · 25-10-2014, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by commodorenutt

Exactly. This is a massive dig at the people assembling these cars. A lot of the guys/girls WANT to be at work - they build them with passion, and numerous quality checks. Any sort of sabotage would be quickly found and dealt with.

With the numbers of volunteers for redundancy at record lows, nobody would risk their job by deliberately sabotaging a step in the assembly process. Their peers would soon expose them (and they'd be next in line for VR if they're not sacked on the spot).

This ^^^