Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated.

Go Back   Australian Ford Forums > General Topics > The Pub

The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-10-2017, 12:43 AM   #1
FalconXV
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
FalconXV's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,138
Question Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

http://www.top10cars.com.au/editoria...ck-ford-laser/

Obvious question. Didn't work for the Nissan Pulsar, but that was a coma-inducing box of blandness. The whole Powershift debacle is wreaking havoc on Focus sales, so maybe the next-gen should be called Laser? What do you reckon?
FalconXV is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2017, 01:02 AM   #2
Mr Brooksy
Youth worker
 
Mr Brooksy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Ipswich QLD
Posts: 6,892
Technical Contributor: For members who share their technical expertise. - Issue reason: Numerous helpful how-to's and sound advice! 
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

I reckon Ford should produce a quality car and sort out their issues before they worry about changing a model name.

I mean really, who is going to be convinced now days that a Ford Focus in every other country is a Ford Laser here? Just so they Ford can say "oh no, what affected Focus doesn't affect Laser"? Maybe a handful of those who know nothing about cars or use the internet. Australians are not as dumb as some in the US car giant boardrooms think.

Great models around the world have had issues in their past. But you don't see BMW saying "oh, that Bangle designed 7 series was a terrible looker, let's throw away the 7 series name just so it no longer effects sales." No they make the next model a much better car and the name gains credibility and history.

Imagine if Ford did that with Mustang after the Boss...
__________________
2007 FPV F6 Typhoon BFII, Neo. Build Number 325

2011 SZ Territory





Old Futura thread:
Brooksy's Ex Build
Mr Brooksy is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2017, 09:38 AM   #3
malazn mafia
Boss 335
 
malazn mafia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,330
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

For a start they could give us real European made , instead of trying to palm off their factory seconds thai range , without dropping the price tag to match.
malazn mafia is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2017, 10:29 AM   #4
Vesper Martini
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Vesper Martini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Victoria
Posts: 7,854
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

No "Laser" sounds pretty lame in 2017
__________________
______________________________
2015 Territory Titanium RWD Diesel - SOLD
2016 BMW X5 xdrive 30D Msport
Seadoo Challenger 210SE 310HP
Vesper Martini is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2017, 10:39 AM   #5
b0son
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,085
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

The bigger issue is brand perception, and it ain't great.
b0son is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 05-10-2017, 03:48 PM   #6
Fairlane 500
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Fairlane 500's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 995
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Reminds me of the old saying...

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"


Sadly though,

these things are not roses & they will never smell as sweet.

Last edited by Fairlane 500; 05-10-2017 at 03:53 PM.
Fairlane 500 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
3 users like this post:
Old 05-10-2017, 05:01 PM   #7
DJR-351
I am Groot
Donating Member3
 
DJR-351's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Burnett Heads, Qld
Posts: 6,840
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Nope, chuck it all in the bin and head back to the drawing board is the best practice.....
DJR-351 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 06-10-2017, 08:00 AM   #8
whitelion65
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
whitelion65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 983
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairlane5OO View Post
Reminds me of the old saying...

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"


Sadly though,

these things are not roses & they will never smell as sweet.
Bring out the Binford 3200 Turd Polisher 😉
__________________
Steve
Current rides
2012 Mondeo Titanium wagon (TDCI)
Moondust silver
2016 Focus Trend, 1.5ecoboost, 6sp manual.
Frozen white

Previous
2004 Berlina Wagon (LS1) Vespers Blue
1995 Camry 2.2, white
1971 Ford Fairmont wagon 302w, C4 Polar white
1971 TC Cortina, 2L 4sp, Ermine white
whitelion65 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 05-10-2017, 06:57 PM   #9
Joe5619
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,653
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

The Focus name is damaged in this Country... They need to call the next new small car anything but Focus!!!
Joe5619 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2017, 07:15 PM   #10
Syndrome
DJT 45 and 47 POTUS
 
Syndrome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 7,376
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe5619 View Post
The Focus name is damaged in this Country... They need to call the next new small car anything but Focus!!!
How about Meteor - the Focus with a boot!
__________________
Falcon: 1960 - 2016

My cars

Current ride
2016 FG X XR6 - 6 speed manual

Previous rides
2009 FG XR6 - 6 speed auto
2006 BF MkII XT ESP - 6 speed auto
2003 BA XT V8 - 5 speed manual
1999 AU Forte - 5 speed manual
1997 EL Fairmont - 4 speed auto
1990 EAII Fairmont Ghia - 4 speed auto
Syndrome is online now   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 05-10-2017, 09:26 PM   #11
aussie muscle
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
aussie muscle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,312
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

When i think Ford Laser i think of the horrible turd from the 80s. no thanks. stop living in the past.
__________________
My ride: 2007 Falcon Ute BF XR8 Orange, MTO.
aussie muscle is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 06-10-2017, 08:09 AM   #12
Joe5619
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,653
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie muscle View Post
When i think Ford Laser i think of the horrible turd from the 80s. no thanks. stop living in the past.
hahahahaha, now this made me laugh.. Are you talking about the 80's when Laser was KING of the small cars??


We could always live in the present with Ford's small car 10+ in the sales chart. And before the "profit" people come alone with their comments, give it a rest, you all know Focus's current sales position is a joke!!
Joe5619 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 06-10-2017, 08:58 AM   #13
Vesper Martini
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Vesper Martini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Victoria
Posts: 7,854
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe5619 View Post
hahahahaha, now this made me laugh.. Are you talking about the 80's when Laser was KING of the small cars??

That's because it was a Mazda 323 - and that's still a great car.

But by year 2000 Laser was unpopular despite being pretty much the same as the Mazda.
__________________
______________________________
2015 Territory Titanium RWD Diesel - SOLD
2016 BMW X5 xdrive 30D Msport
Seadoo Challenger 210SE 310HP
Vesper Martini is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 06-10-2017, 12:43 PM   #14
barra240t
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
barra240t's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,984
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie muscle View Post
When i think Ford Laser i think of the horrible turd from the 80s. no thanks. stop living in the past.
The Laser was a very important and successful car for Ford and Australia. Your comment on the Laser being a "turd" is very disrespectful. Do you know how many jobs it created? Do you know how many Ford sold?
barra240t is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
6 users like this post:
Old 06-10-2017, 01:33 PM   #15
Itsme
Experienced Member
 
Itsme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Australasia
Posts: 7,761
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by barra240t View Post
The Laser was a very important and successful car for Ford and Australia. Your comment on the Laser being a "turd" is very disrespectful. Do you know how many jobs it created? Do you know how many Ford sold?
Damn right the laser was successful, my wife still has her 2000 model in VGC, these cars are bullet proof if well maintained, best little car for reliability.

The turd name belongs to the Focus imo.
Itsme is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 06-10-2017, 04:37 PM   #16
NX74205
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
NX74205's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Perth, WA
Posts: 1,311
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Officemanager View Post
The turd name belongs to the Focus imo.
Nope. Focus is an awesome car to drive. If I wanted a small car the Focus would be my choice.
__________________
Current car:
2016 Ford MD Mondeo Titanium EcoBoost (2016-)
Previous cars:
2005 Ford BF Fairmont (2006-2019)
1989 Ford EA Falcon GL (2000-2007)
1982 Ford KA Laser Ghia (1999-2000)
NX74205 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 06-10-2017, 08:01 PM   #17
Itsme
Experienced Member
 
Itsme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Australasia
Posts: 7,761
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by NX74205 View Post
Nope. Focus is an awesome car to drive. If I wanted a small car the Focus would be my choice.
If it was such an awesome car then why do ford want to rename the brand?
Itsme is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2017, 09:55 PM   #18
Windsor220
Now Fordless
 
Windsor220's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Fremantle, WA
Posts: 3,611
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

They can keep the Focus name but they need to do something to reassure the public that the current model is ok. Focus has a decent rep around the world.
Windsor220 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 05-10-2017, 10:18 PM   #19
danzvtil
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
danzvtil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,629
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

I wouldn't want to tarnish the laser name with any pos ford builds today. I've owned 3 lasers in my time.
__________________
____________________

2024 TOYOTA HIACE
2019 LDV G10-GONE THANKFULLY
2009 Mitsubishi Express-GONE
2011 Honda Jazz
____________________
danzvtil is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2017, 10:44 PM   #20
Bill M
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Bill M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,229
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

I saw a Chinese Ford Escort LHD under test in SE Melbourne last week, maybe resurrecting another old name ?
__________________
AUII XR6 VCT ute
20 years and still going strong!
Bill M is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 05-10-2017, 10:47 PM   #21
FalconXV
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
FalconXV's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,138
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill M View Post
I saw a Chinese Ford Escort LHD under test in SE Melbourne last week, maybe resurrecting another old name ?
I would only approve of an Escort revival if it was done like this : https://www.behance.net/gallery/4902...r-Dissertation
FalconXV is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
3 users like this post:
Old 06-10-2017, 08:06 AM   #22
FordsForever
Starter Motor
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 10
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

I would say it all depends on the market for the car, if you are targetting 18 - 25 yr old woman looking for their first car then using Laser might work...but like many others whenever I hear it I think of those crap boxes from the 80's.
FordsForever is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 06-10-2017, 09:25 AM   #23
Brazen
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Brazen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,876
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Just ditch this segment altogether and bring out a decent ASX sized SUV
Brazen is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 06-10-2017, 11:54 AM   #24
4dlvr
4dlvr
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: tulla
Posts: 327
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazen View Post
Just ditch this segment altogether and bring out a decent ASX sized SUV
eco sport?
__________________
96 EF FAIRMONT
Garrett gt40 turbo , iceman plenum, head ported, polished and balanced, wade turbo cam, wade double valve springs, bosch 023 fuel pump, 36lb injectors high flow cat, 4' dump and 2.5' redback exhaust.
215rwkw @7psi
4dlvr is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 06-10-2017, 12:00 PM   #25
Syndrome
DJT 45 and 47 POTUS
 
Syndrome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 7,376
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

How about calling it the Persephone?

__________________
Falcon: 1960 - 2016

My cars

Current ride
2016 FG X XR6 - 6 speed manual

Previous rides
2009 FG XR6 - 6 speed auto
2006 BF MkII XT ESP - 6 speed auto
2003 BA XT V8 - 5 speed manual
1999 AU Forte - 5 speed manual
1997 EL Fairmont - 4 speed auto
1990 EAII Fairmont Ghia - 4 speed auto
Syndrome is online now   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
3 users like this post:
Old 06-10-2017, 12:46 PM   #26
barra240t
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
barra240t's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,984
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Leave Laser on a high note, let the name rest. Ford need to rebuild the Focus name and image, the currently Focus is an amazing car, but the public have zero idea on the new auto gearbox, specs, etc, Fords efforts are pathetic to say the least.
barra240t is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
5 users like this post:
Old 07-10-2017, 12:41 AM   #27
FalconXV
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
FalconXV's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,138
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by barra240t View Post
Leave Laser on a high note, let the name rest. Ford need to rebuild the Focus name and image, the currently Focus is an amazing car, but the public have zero idea on the new auto gearbox, specs, etc, Fords efforts are pathetic to say the least.
I think Focus is tarnished beyond recovery. As article states, it’s no longer the sharpest or boldest in its class. Laser has some equity, mostly
Positive dem what I’ve observed...
FalconXV is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 06-10-2017, 12:59 PM   #28
Fast Eddie
Motorsport Guru
 
Fast Eddie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: The Blue Mountains, N.S.W.
Posts: 1,682
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

And Badge Engineering the Focus ST, and the Mondeo for point, into the XR5-Turbo to "make it relatable" to other XR (Falcon) models worked, didn't it?
__________________
Interior Enhancements: Footwell Lighting, Brushed Alum. H/brake Handle, 6 Disc In-Dash System.

Exterior Enhancements: ST170 Wheels, Richbrook Shorty Aerial, Euro-Spec Hatch Handle.

Performance Enhancements: Ate Callipers/EBC Rotors/EBC Greens Stuff Pads, ST170 Suspension, Herrod's Custom Tune, Ford Racing Coated Exhaust Manifold & Bespoke 2.25in Exhaust.

Awards: AFD '07 EFOC Best Focus, SFS '09 EFOC Best Focus, SFS '10 RSOC O/all Best Focus, AFD '10 CFC O/all Best Focus.
Fast Eddie is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 06-10-2017, 09:26 PM   #29
b0son
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,085
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

Surprised people aren't asking for it to be called Fairmont.
b0son is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
3 users like this post:
Old 06-10-2017, 10:18 PM   #30
boss351290
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,020
Default Re: Should Ford Focus be renamed 'Ford Laser'?

I bought my daughter a base model focus manual. I think it is a great car. Handles just as good as a xr falcon. Very well built and with the 1.5 turbo it's very torquey at low revs which makes it easy and smooth as you don't have to rev the hell out of it to make it go.

I think there problem is the price. There $25000 plus for the base model which is very well equiped I must say.at this price point it's a bit like milk. If you can get it for $2 a bottle, why would you pay $2.50. Great car just needs to be the same price as competition otherwise it will get overlooked all the time.
boss351290 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Reply


Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 12:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Other than what is legally copyrighted by the respective owners, this site is copyright www.fordforums.com.au
Positive SSL