Supercars Mustang

[Sioso]

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...racing-112112/

Mustang is getting a twin turbo V6 and the ZB Commodore gets a V8??????????




MOTORSPORT: Ford is back in Supercars racing!
Twin-turbocharged V6 Ford Mustang to race in 2019

Ford will tomorrow announce its return to Australia’s pre-eminent motorsport category in 2019 with a racing version of the Mustang.

And in a shock twist, the Ford Mustang is likely to be powered by a twin-turbocharged V6 rather than a V8.

The news comes just days after Holden announced it was suspending a program to develop a turbocharged V6 engine for its new ZB Commodore, which has leapt out of the blocks and dominated the early exchanges in the 2018 championship.

The confirmation of Mustang and the return of Ford is a massive boost for Supercars, as the Blue Oval teams currently campaign the Ford Falcon FG X, which went out of production in 2016.

The third car on the grid is the Nissan Altima, which is also no longer sold in Australia. Nissan’s whole future in Supercars is up for review this year and it’s not looking good given poor results so far in 2018.

A lot of detail about the plans for Mustang and how it and its engine will be developed for Supercars is yet to break loose.

But we do know Ford will be represented in the program by its global motorsport and hot tuner division, Ford Performance, while the two main Ford Supercars teams, Tickford Racing and DJR Team Penske, will play an important role.

The development of the Mustang’s aerodynamic package and the engine will be the key technical challenges for the program.

The two-door body is the first to be introduced in the locally-developed Supercars category since it debuted in the early 1990s as a Holden Commodore v Ford Falcon formula.

Unlike Ford's global Mustang GT4 racer (pictured), it will be massaged to fit on the standard ‘Gen2’ spaceframe chassis and wheelbase that all Supercars are based on.

Ford has been out of Supercars since 2015, when it withdrew the last skerricks of its support for what was then called Prodrive Racing Australia (now Tickford Racing).

Its return is unlikely to involve a large direct financial contribution. Instead, it will primarily include significant technical support through Ford Performance and the local arm’s license to race the Mustang bodyshape.

While the Falcon has been the focus of much of Ford’s touring car racing activity in Australia, the Mustang also has a mighty history here.

Ian ‘Pete Geoghegan won four consecutive Australian Touring Car Championships in the 1960s in first generation Mustangs with Norm Beechey adding another in in the same era.

Allan Moffat’s Coca-Cola Trans-Am Mustang was a star of the early 1970s and Jim Richards’ Sidchrome Mustang a Sports Sedan hero of the late 1970s.

More recently Dick Johnson raced a Mustang during the Group A era.

[jpd80]

By the time they get through changing it to conform to COF rules, it'll look like a two door Commodore..
If Mustang get the TTV6, it will probably be the version used in the Ford GT, I wonder how they intend to nobble it...
and would Ford need to restart V6 sales to justify some form of homoligation?

Maybe just stick with the 5.0 V8 and give the competition a lesson in DOHC.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by jpd80

By the time they get through changing it to conform to COF rules, it'll look like a two door Commodore..
If Mustang get the TTV6, it will probably be the version used in the Ford GT, I wonder how they intend to nobble it...
and would Ford need to restart V6 sales to justify some form of homoligation?

Maybe just stick with the 5.0 V8 and give the competition a lesson in DOHC.

Why is it called COF anyway? The drive lines are ancient and so are the engines. Should be more accurately named COP (Cars of the past)

[bbbero]

twin turbo V6? What are they thinking??

[DJR-351]

Depends on which story you want to believe lol.....

https://autoaction.com.au/2018/04/16...s-with-mustang

Mustang will be Ford’s new Supercars weapon in a surprise return to racing next year.

By MARK FOGARTY

In a major reversal, Ford Australia is supporting the development of a Mustang racer as part of a renewed performance road car push.

AUTO ACTION has learned that Broadmeadows will announce on Tuesday that DJR Team Penske and Tickford Racing have been given the go ahead to switch to the Mustang to counter Holden’s all-conquering ZB Commodore.

Although not full factory backed efforts, both frontline Ford teams will receive official technical and financial assistance from Broadmeadows to create a Mustang-look V8 racer that insiders are calling “a Commodore killer”.

The Supercars Mustang will be powered by the Blue Oval’s familiar five-litre V8 rather than a localised version of the twin-turbo EcoBoost 3.5-litre V6 as used in the Ford GT racer.

Ford Australia’s about face follows the declaration by DJRTP’s legendary American team owner Roger Penske – exclusively reported in AA #1732 – that the stalwart Blue oval squad could switch to ZB Commodores next year if there was no competitive Ford replacement for the FGX Falcon.

Despite elaborate efforts to keep Tuesday’s announcement a secret, AA has uncovered the details of Ford’s return to Supercars with the Mustang through an extensive investigation during the past week.

Multiple sources close to Ford’s revival of interest in racing and performance road cars confirmed that DJR Team Penske’s and Tickford Racing’s joint development of the Mustang racer has been finally sanctioned and supported by Broadmeadows.

It is more than a coincidence that AA’s repeated efforts to contact the principal players at Ford Australia, DJR Team Penske and Tickford Racing were unsuccessful.

Senior Supercars officials also denied any knowledge of an impending announcement of Ford Australia’s return with a factory approved Mustang program.

Ford Australia’s re-engagement with racing and belated decision support DJRTP’s and Tickford Racing’s move to the Mustang is the news Blue Oval fans have been waiting for three years.

The Gen2 rules opened the way for the Mustang to be raced in Supercars because they allowed two-door coupes to join the traditional four-door sedans.

The long-awaited approval of the popular pony car’s move into Supercars as the replacement of the aging FG X Falcon is linked with the revival of a fast Ford division in Australia.

Also on Tuesday, Ford Australia will confirm that the company’s global Ford Performance brand is to be introduced locally as an umbrella for high performance models.

It is understood that the Mustang, forthcoming Ranger Raptor and future Focus RS will be sold through selected Ford Performance dealers, like the defunct Ford Performance Vehicles line-up of bespoke high performance Falcons.

In a recognition that Ford Australia has neglected its racing and performance car heritage in recent years, resulting in the collapse of its passenger car sales, the company has also finally decided to re-engage with Supercars.

Although not required by the rules, DJR Team Penske and Tickford Racing have held back from moving to the Mustang body shape without Ford Australia’s approval and support, avoiding any potential dispute over Intellectual Property (IP) rights.

Now that they have the local operation’s backing, the teams will revive and press ahead with a joint Mustang development program they instigated in late 2016.

DJRTP and Tickford Racing have co-operated on preliminary computer design work to adapt the latest Mustang body shape to the New Generation control chassis.

Supercars’ technical department has also conducted extensive computer simulation work to adapt the Mustang road car’s body dimensions to fit the rules, which result in variations of the standard measurements for all models competing in the category.

For example, the Mustang – like the Chevrolet Camaro and Nissan GT-R – will need a modified and raised roof profile to meet the minimum height requirement.

The body kit aerodynamics will also have to be adjusted to account for the Mustang’s smaller frontal area and sleek profile, including a ZB Commodore-style extended rear wing.

The Supercars Mustang will also feature extensive use of composite body panels and inner structures, and other weight-reducing components, following the precedent set by the controversially ‘lightweight’ ZB.

AA understands that a joint DJRTP/Tickford prototype Mustang racer will be shown in a public demonstration – possibly at the Bathurst 1000 in October – before homologation and aero testing to finalise the design at the end of the year.

Tickford Racing is currently the official Ford homologation team, but development of the Mustang racer will be a co-operative effort with DJRTP.

It is likely that DJRTP majority team owner Roger Penske has brokered additional technical support from the Ford Performance racing division in Detroit through Team Penske’s association as a factory backed Blue Oval team in NASCAR.

Next year’s move from the discontinued FG X Falcon will mark the return of the Mustang to Australian championship touring car racing after an absence of 33 years.

The last Mustang to race in the Australian Touring Car Championship – predecessor to the Supercars series – was Dick Johnson’s five-litre Group A version, which he campaigned in 1985/86.

Before that, the original Mustang dominated the ATCC from 1965-69, with Norm Beechey and the late Ian Geoghegan sweeping the titles.

Along with Geoghegan’s much-modified GTA, Allan Moffat’s iconic 1969 Boss 302 Trans-Am Mustang and Bob Jane’s earlier ’68 notchback coupe version were front-runners from ’69 until the final year of the Improved Production formula in 1972.

Full details of the return of the Mustang and Ford will be in the next issue of AUTO ACTION, on sale this Thursday (April 19).

Date posted: April 16, 2018

[Craig@AUDI]

Originally Posted by bbbero

twin turbo V6? What are they thinking??

Weight savings?

[XRtowcar]

Twin turbo v6. Just as they stop producing a V6 model. What's the point.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by XRtowcar

Twin turbo v6. Just as they stop producing a V6 model. What's the point.

As opposed to the 5.0 V8 used in Supercars which is available in which car in this country?

I think they'll stick with the current 5.0 V8. Its a proven performer, has had lots of development undertaken on it to get it where it is and does not need any fiddling to meet the power and torque curve requirements. But most of all, it will not need any development $$$$.

[You Yangs]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

As opposed to the 5.0 V8 used in Supercars which is available in which car in this country?

I think they'll stick with the current 5.0 V8. Its a proven performer, has had lots of development undertaken on it to get it where it is and does not need any fiddling to meet the power and torque curve requirements. But most of all, it will not need any development $$$$.

Development $$$$ not needed the engine we are talking about is already a race winner at Le Mans.
Even the road going GT has the equivalent power and torque of the V8, the only tweaking will be fitting it in the Gen 2 framework.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by You Yangs

Development $$$$ not needed the engine we are talking about is already a race winner at Le Mans.
Even the road going GT has the equivalent power and torque of the V8, the only tweaking will be fitting it in the Gen 2 framework.

It will still have to have the power and torque tuned to match the specified curves that all engines used in Supercars have to match (albeit with a 4% tolerance).

Whilst that may reduce the $$$ needed to be invested, it will still need some $$$ spent on it.

[Mercury Bullet]

The part I took out of the article was that Ford performance dealers will be introduced to sell hi-po cars.

Does this mean Shelby?
*checking my acct for gt350 funds....i can dream.

[baboon]

Originally Posted by XRtowcar

Twin turbo v6. Just as they stop producing a V6 model. What's the point.

Like DJR-351 has pointed out, Auto Action has said it will be the V8....

Who knows, who is right?...

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by baboon

Like DJR-351 has pointed out, Auto Action has said it will be the V8....

Who knows, who is right?...

.........Sits back and waits for another Auto mag to say LS1

[Falcon SXR8]

Not to mention its a much more complicated motor than the v8 so if there hobbled to the same power whats the incentive to use it

[CobraJet351]

If the Mustang was available to purchase with a version of the GT V6 TT I would seriously consider that over the V8.

[Pepscobra]

Wow, what awesome news!
TTV6, Ecoboost 4cyl, 5.0L.... who cares really, as long as its in a Mustang!

How does all of this tie into the other news that Supercars owners are selling off the competition? How much longer will Supercars even be around for?

[HO 3]

Sound like they are going to run with the Euro/US "Ford Performance" moniker.............tantalisingly close to our home grown retired FPV brand but no cigar again I guess.

Cheers Mick

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by HO 3

Sound like they are going to run with the Euro/US "Ford Performance" moniker.............tantalisingly close to our home grown retired FPV brand but no cigar again I guess.

Cheers Mick

Maybe half a cigar?
At least there is some hope, two weeks ago there was nothing.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Sioso

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...racing-112112/

Mustang is getting a twin turbo V6 and the ZB Commodore gets a V8??????????

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MOTORSPORT: Ford is back in Supercars racing!
Twin-turbocharged V6 Ford Mustang to race in 2019

Ford will tomorrow announce its return to Australia’s pre-eminent motorsport category in 2019 with a racing version of the Mustang.

And in a shock twist, the Ford Mustang is likely to be powered by a twin-turbocharged V6 rather than a V8.

The news comes just days after Holden announced it was suspending a program to develop a turbocharged V6 engine for its new ZB Commodore, which has leapt out of the blocks and dominated the early exchanges in the 2018 championship.

The confirmation of Mustang and the return of Ford is a massive boost for Supercars, as the Blue Oval teams currently campaign the Ford Falcon FG X, which went out of production in 2016.

The third car on the grid is the Nissan Altima, which is also no longer sold in Australia. Nissan’s whole future in Supercars is up for review this year and it’s not looking good given poor results so far in 2018.

A lot of detail about the plans for Mustang and how it and its engine will be developed for Supercars is yet to break loose.

But we do know Ford will be represented in the program by its global motorsport and hot tuner division, Ford Performance, while the two main Ford Supercars teams, Tickford Racing and DJR Team Penske, will play an important role.

The development of the Mustang’s aerodynamic package and the engine will be the key technical challenges for the program.

The two-door body is the first to be introduced in the locally-developed Supercars category since it debuted in the early 1990s as a Holden Commodore v Ford Falcon formula.

Unlike Ford's global Mustang GT4 racer (pictured), it will be massaged to fit on the standard ‘Gen2’ spaceframe chassis and wheelbase that all Supercars are based on.

Ford has been out of Supercars since 2015, when it withdrew the last skerricks of its support for what was then called Prodrive Racing Australia (now Tickford Racing).

Its return is unlikely to involve a large direct financial contribution. Instead, it will primarily include significant technical support through Ford Performance and the local arm’s license to race the Mustang bodyshape.

While the Falcon has been the focus of much of Ford’s touring car racing activity in Australia, the Mustang also has a mighty history here.

Ian ‘Pete Geoghegan won four consecutive Australian Touring Car Championships in the 1960s in first generation Mustangs with Norm Beechey adding another in in the same era.

Allan Moffat’s Coca-Cola Trans-Am Mustang was a star of the early 1970s and Jim Richards’ Sidchrome Mustang a Sports Sedan hero of the late 1970s.

More recently Dick Johnson raced a Mustang during the Group A era.

ZB has a V6TT for 2019.. where does it say a V8?

http://www.supercars.com/news/champi...wildcard-plan/

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by burnz

ZB has a V6TT for 2019.. where does it say a V8?

http://www.supercars.com/news/champi...wildcard-plan/

Holden have put the V6TT on hold

https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/04/06...o-development/

[stevanford]

The TT V6 would be a great choice. Was originally developed in IMSA sportscar racing. From there, it went into the new Ford GT and won Le Mans on its first outing there and is also in the new Ford Raptor and Ford GT road cars. They make good power, the reliability has been proven in endurance racing. The only question mark would be over packaging.

[hackney]

The word is it is going to be the 5litre V8.Now if only Nissan could on board with the GTR,we could have a real contest! Cheers

[BENT_8]

Me thinks there might be some behind the scenes psychology at play here.

Firstly Penske puts Ford on notice, then Holden/RD can the TTV6, now Ford are handing over Mustang but conflicting stories on what will power it.

And all of this around the notice of the series up for sale.

Intersting times to be a fan, haven't had this much suspense involving the next generation of cars since the GrpA days.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

And all of this around the notice of the series up for sale.

nail on the head here I reckon.

lets distract them with this story while we sell up.

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Me thinks there might be some behind the scenes psychology at play here.

Firstly Penske puts Ford on notice, then Holden/RD can the TTV6, now Ford are handing over Mustang but conflicting stories on what will power it.

And all of this around the notice of the series up for sale.

Intersting times to be a fan, haven't had this much suspense involving the next generation of cars since the GrpA days.

Penske didn’t put Ford on notice, that was just a media beat up. Holden teams were against the TTV6 and the dropping of it coincided with the arrival of the GM big wigs down under so almost certainly the decision came from within. You can almost guarantee the Stang will be running the V8 in the sort to medium term, far to much expense in switching to a V6TT, I’d expect that change in a few years hence the conflicting stories.

Series was up for sale last year with no takers at the asking price, I’d guess the teams will eventually buy it back for far less than they unloaded it for.

[Sioso]

Originally Posted by burnz

ZB has a V6TT for 2019.. where does it say a V8?

http://www.supercars.com/news/champi...wildcard-plan/

https://www.motormag.com.au/news/180...s-in-supercars

[roddy1960]

Here's an idea . Scrap the control chassis and engines altogether and base the Australian series on actual production cars . Nah , what was I thinking !!!!!.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Here's an idea . Scrap the control chassis and engines altogether and base the Australian series on actual production cars . Nah , what was I thinking !!!!!.

production cars are slow and boring. there has been a production car series running for many years, but there is very little interest, certainly not enough for a tv rights deal.

http://australianproductioncars.com.au/

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by prydey

production cars are slow and boring. there has been a production car series running for many years, but there is very little interest, certainly not enough for a tv rights deal.

http://australianproductioncars.com.au/

I was watching the Bathurst 6 hour a few weeks ago . Definitely slower but certainly not as boring as you might think . The finish was fascinating and just as intriguing as many Supercar races for me at least.

It'll never happen and I agree no hope of TV rights but in the early days of the ATCC in the mid to late sixties and early seventies the racing cars , Falcons , Monaro's , Torana's, Chargers and even Mustangs were raced a lot closer to showroom spec than later on. Some were even driven to and from racetracks . Different times and totally different sport to now .

[Nu66et]

Originally Posted by prydey

production cars are slow and boring. there has been a production car series running for many years, but there is very little interest, certainly not enough for a tv rights deal.

http://australianproductioncars.com.au/

Maybe more problematic, theres always a chance someones going to run away and become untouchable. Most series that arent a prototype or single make formula have some form of parity or BOP in place.