Q: Kia Diesel Interchanges

[Citroënbender]

Got an 04 Pregio van that’s almost too good to weigh in. Needs shackle bushes, a friction disc and a screen. Nil rust, 300-odd K of mostly freeway use.

Oh, and no engine. That went into a K2700 truck.

I can’t find a motor at sane prices, or at least a crank and maybe a rod. (Crank is cracked, rod damaged where its bearing spun). Crank doesn’t interchange with the smaller Mazda diesels I believe inspired the J2 motor.

Without being silly, any suggestions of motors that either bolt up to the J2 pattern bellhousings or a readily adapted swap? The aim would be to keep it tractable and suited to design function.

Cheers for any thoughts on how this might be achieved practically and thriftily.

[GasoLane]

It's a long shot but you might try Dellows in Revesby, they've been making bellhousings for all types of conversions for years.


https://dellowconversions.com.au/

[Citroënbender]

That would be a fallback position, I’m hoping to hear there is a coincidental Asian diesel swap, eg a Hino crank drops into the Kia block or a Dyna motor bolts straight up.

Have a blighted 4M40 to hand (bored and new slugs but oil pressure issues), an FG Barra (way too big), had considered an Ecotec swap but still a lot of hassle.

[Vesper Martini]

2nd hand engines seem to demand ridiculous prices here.
it was a long time ago but I knew a place in Otahuhu, Auckland where you could get a used Jap engine for $150-500.
surely you could get one send from Asia for SFA with a bit of digging try Alibaba

[Vesper Martini]

I think this is the place, but as I said a long time ago.
http://www.japanesespares.co.nz/contact.html

[roKWiz]

Some of the bigger Kia Asia used (and still do) the Mazda T3500 3.5 SL diesel same as the Ford Trader 0409.
Some even used the later Mazda T4000 TM 4.0. That should get it going down the superslab.

[Citroënbender]

The T3500 bellhousing bolt pattern looks very similar!

[roKWiz]

A few of the new Kia have 3.8 as well.
I found I could buy new parts for my diesels from Perkins, Mazda, Ford, and Kia.
3.5SL is basically a Perkins made under licence by Mazda. So look at those bellhousing's also

Wreckers in Berkeley Vale (might have moved to Tuggerah now) Japtrucks, not to be confused with the one in Qld.

[dunga]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Some of the bigger Kia Asia used (and still do) the Mazda T3500 3.5 SL diesel same as the Ford Trader 0409.
Some even used the later Mazda T4000 TM 4.0. That should get it going down the superslab.

That 4 litre Mazda motor was a kia motor the parts were interchangeable I think so the 3.5litre would be the same bell housing pattern.

[CyberWasp]

You can buy a whole shipping container of them.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...6e19213fixoV0U

[ozpacman]

That T3500/4000 is a pretty big lump of an engine. I doubt it would fit in the engine bay of the Pregio, but I guess anything's possible.

[Citroënbender]

Fair call. I will need to find some nose-to-bellhousing flange measurements for comparison. There's a little bounce in the height available.

[ozpacman]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Fair call. I will need to find some nose-to-bellhousing flange measurements for comparison. There's a little bounce in the height available.

Mate I just happen to have an old T3500 bus sitting down in my shed. Would you like me to try and get some approximate measurements for you over the weekend?

[Citroënbender]

If it doesn’t risk a blue with the resident wildlife (snakes, spiders whatever) and won’t injure you - yes please. Ideal things to know are harmonic front or crank nose to machined mating face at rear of block, approx width between motor mount pad spotfacings, crank CL to top of rocker cover.

Bevsta - the question is more how much might a durable and simple diesel van cost a pensioner who does the odd lawn or gardening job. Hiaces etc are going to be dearer for equivalent condition.

[roKWiz]

Just measured the 3.5SL in the 0409.

And what I remember in sizing up a Cummins 4BT about the same size. Ask me why I know this.

CL crankshaft front of timing cover to machined face at bellhousing 530mm

CL crankshaft (bottom of block) to top of air breather pipe outlet 480mm

centre to centre engine mounts surfaces 450mm

engine overall including fan from bellhousing face 700mm

my diesels harmonic balancer excepts double pulley belts depth of 70mm

As others have said its a large lump of engine.

Have you contacted SMS diesel parts of Lidcombe or Engines Australia who stock Perkins/Mazda diesels.

[hayseed]

Are you going to register It..???

https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents...ifications.pdf

[Citroënbender]

Yes. I’m aware of the potential issues with permissibility of some swaps and have no intention of putting anything on the road that is not “...suitable for subsequent resale to a person of average driving ability” as the code says in multiple places.

[Vesper Martini]

Whats an 04 Pregio worth?

[Vesper Martini]

V12 LS swap?
https://youtu.be/-kMeztwjou4

didn't know such an engine existed..

[Citroënbender]

It’s not a Preggo, that was the last donor. Then he cracked the head on that motor twelve months ago, so the head from the cracked crank motor went on. It’s getting silly, patching up the same driveline every year.

[hayseed]

Sounds Like the Pregio is well truly Fu..... Pregnant...

Time to Throw It away & get another Van.. IMHO

[Citroënbender]

It’s not a van. That was the last engine donor.

[Franco Cozzo]

Those Kia K series trucks and Preggio vans are such ****boxes, every time you see one it's belching out blue smoke doing 60 in a 100 zone.

[Citroënbender]

It’s been more white smoke with this one, the number of head/bore issues over time.

I’ve read that the original PCM/TCM config can be heavily edited for immo bypass and a bunch of other deletes relating to body control, is this actually correct? To “strip down” a PCM/TCM to run a standard (ute?) map with no ABS, no dash, immobiliser off etc, would be the ideal goal.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

It’s been more white smoke with this one, the number of head/bore issues over time.

I’ve read that the original PCM/TCM config can be heavily edited for immo bypass and a bunch of other deletes relating to body control, is this actually correct? To “strip down” a PCM/TCM to run a standard (ute?) map with no ABS, no dash, immobiliser off etc, would be the ideal goal.

Can be done on LS engine management systems, whether or not there's local ability to do this with Kia engine management systems is anyone's guess, it's not exactly a popular modification platform

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

It’s not a van. That was the last engine donor.

so what is it?

[Citroënbender]

K2700

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

K2700

That's a Bongo!

surley you could get a cheap mazda engine to fit

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

It’s not a van. That was the last engine donor.

Ahh OKay, I'm confused...

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Got an 04 Pregio van that’s almost too good to weigh in. Needs shackle bushes, a friction disc and a screen. Nil rust, 300-odd K of mostly freeway use.

Oh, and no engine. That went into a K2700 truck.

I can’t find a motor at sane prices, or at least a crank and maybe a rod. (Crank is cracked, rod damaged where its bearing spun). Crank doesn’t interchange with the smaller Mazda diesels I believe inspired the J2 motor.

Without being silly, any suggestions of motors that either bolt up to the J2 pattern bellhousings or a readily adapted swap? The aim would be to keep it tractable and suited to design function.

Cheers for any thoughts on how this might be achieved practically and thriftily.

[Citroënbender]

Sorry, the thread meandered.

The empty van went to an arborist as a dog shed or grow room or something. I needed it out of the way promptly. The truck is the workhorse, trying to keep it running is the quest.