Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030

[Yellow_Festiva]

Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan.

New cars and vans powered wholly by petrol and diesel will not be sold in the UK from 2030, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.

But some hybrids would still be allowed, he confirmed.

It is part of what Mr Johnson calls a "green industrial revolution" to tackle climate change and create jobs in industries such as nuclear energy.

Critics of the plan say the £4bn allocated is far too small for the scale of the challenge.

The total amount of new money announced in the package is a 25th of the projected £100bn cost of high-speed rail, HS2.

Business Secretary Alok Sharma told BBC Breakfast the £4bn was part of a broader £12bn package of public investment, which "will help to bring in three times as much in terms of private sector money".

Mr Sharma, who is president of the COP26 international climate summit that the UK will host next year, said the money would also support the creation of 250,000 jobs in parts of the UK "where we want to see levelling up".

The government hopes that many of those jobs will be in northern England and in Wales, and that 60,000 will be in offshore wind.

The plan includes provision for a large nuclear plant - likely to be at Sizewell in Suffolk - and for advanced small nuclear reactors, which it is hoped, will create an estimated 10,000 jobs at Rolls-Royce and other firms.

Quite a long article.......

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54981425

[Crazy Dazz]

It's not April 1st?

[xxx000]

Yet we still have deniers who claim that electric cars are a "scam" and that renewables don't and can't work.

[Franco Cozzo]

Misleading headline - 'Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan.'

Then the first paragraph

New cars and vans powered wholly by petrol and diesel will not be sold in the UK from 2030, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.

So really petrol and diesel vehicles will still be sold they'll just need to have hybrid technology.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Misleading headline - 'Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan.'

Then the first paragraph

New cars and vans powered wholly by petrol and diesel will not be sold in the UK from 2030, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.

So really petrol and diesel vehicles will still be sold they'll just need to have hybrid technology.

Hardly misleading since it's stated clearly in the 1st paragraph.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Hardly misleading since it's stated clearly in the 1st paragraph.

What does the headline say?

Sounds pretty misleading to me, if you wanted to be more factual and less fake news it should read:

'UK shift towards hybrid vehicles from 2030'

They're not banning petrol and diesel vehicles at all, they're just making hybrid powertrain mandatory.

Should change your forum username to 'ccp000'.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Misleading headline - 'Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan.'



Then the first paragraph



New cars and vans powered wholly by petrol and diesel will not be sold in the UK from 2030, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.



So really petrol and diesel vehicles will still be sold they'll just need to have hybrid technology.

I heard on the radio full electric by 2050.

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Misleading headline - 'Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM's green plan.'

Then the first paragraph

New cars and vans powered wholly by petrol and diesel will not be sold in the UK from 2030, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.

So really petrol and diesel vehicles will still be sold they'll just need to have hybrid technology.

Someone who reads the details

My UK mate said to me a few days ago he wants to get a Jaguar XK before a "ban" comes in. I said he was crazy if he thought petrol cars would be "banned" but this is probably what he was referring to. They will be grandfathered out.

I think they are jumping the gun a bit. Lithium Ion batteries used in EVs are very dirty to make. Graphite being a main material, is very eco unfriendly to dig out and process. Most of this happens in a part of the world where we are supposed to want to be less reliant on They really need to start investing into battery technology before making such a move, IMHO.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Yet we still have deniers who claim that electric cars are a "scam" and that renewables don't and can't work.

Forcing people into them doesn't prove anything. They are denying people the choice by removing ice's from the market. They aren't letting the people decide if they are good enough.

And renewables work. Sometimes. But what is base load power.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And renewables work. Sometimes. But what is base load power.

Don't forget ol Blighty has some lovely safe nuclear power stations. yikes, going green would be the least of your worries.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Don't forget ol Blighty has some lovely safe nuclear power stations. yikes, going green would be the least of your worries.

Nuclear is much better for climate change though.

But these braindead greenies want to have it both ways. Because of the spent nuclear fuel, which is apparently only a miniscule amount these days.

They just want to whinge about anything, and would rather we shut everything down and lived in caves again.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Nuclear is much better for climate change though.

But these braindead greenies want to have it both ways. Because of the spent nuclear fuel, which is apparently only a miniscule amount these days.

They just want to whinge about anything, and would rather we shut everything down and lived in caves again.

I watched a docco on the Nuclear subs the US runs.

30 years of fuel on board!

I always thought nuclear was the best option for us, especially with our large open spaces of next to nothing.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Nuclear is much better for climate change though.

But these braindead greenies want to have it both ways. Because of the spent nuclear fuel, which is apparently only a miniscule amount these days.

They just want to whinge about anything, and would rather we shut everything down and lived in caves again.

Yes I'm sure it is until something goes wrong and when it does, it does big time.
TBH Not just greenies with this, Fukashima, Three Mile Island, Cheynobel people tend to remember these events for good reason.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Yet we still have deniers who claim that electric cars are a "scam" and that renewables don't and can't work.

that would be me!!

my evidence, " The First law of thermodynamics"

[jpd80]

Picture this,
In the next few years, sales of popular diesel powered vehicles are replaced by hybrids and PHEVs
That will do more in the immediate than trying to force everyone into BEVs straight up. A big part
of this is evolving the herd attitude towards electrification, older drivers exit the market replaced
by young drivers in their first vehicles. It takes time but change is coming.

[whynot]

Even though I am a big proponent of EV (being a sparkie and all that), I personally think that legislating their use is a mistake. It is the same order of magnitude of a mistake as the EU push for diesel vehicles in the 1990 with similar environmental justification and similar poor environmental outcomes.

Part of the problem, in my view, is that lower social-economic groups will bear a disproportionate cost. In other words, there is presently no market for the $2K clunker EV. Yes, in time, perhaps there will be (like in 2050), but not in 2030.

This will appeal to middle class, inner city, greenies, who are quite capable of dropping $60K on a low end EV. I am sure they will happily look outside the window of their EV, with a warm fuzzy feeling, while the lower class catch the bus.

My view is that the best way to go green (if that is the agreed goal) is to keep pouring money into basic research that will reduce the cost of storage and increase storage capacity. Then, let market forces dictate the transition across to EV.

PS. Hybrids are banned from 2035.

PPS. Hang onto that 2025 Camry. It will be worth big bucks down the track.

[Yellow_Festiva]

This is talking about new car sales.

I guess existing cars will allowed to continue being driven.

I wonder if other countries will follow? Or if future Governments will retract it?

[M&Ms]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

This is talking about new car sales.

I guess existing cars will allowed to continue being driven.

I wonder if other countries will follow? Or if future Governments will retract it?

I think this is exactly what will happen.

BoJo gets the greenies off his back for the next term or two, and then as 2030 approaches, unforeseen circumstances mean we can't meet our goal.

[Burnout]

They forget how much water is needed to keep these solar farms panels clean, something they forgot in California years ago. The whole farm there is is ruins and produces nothing, except broken glass and some alloy waste.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Burnout

They forget how much water is needed to keep these solar farms panels clean, something they forgot in California years ago. The whole farm there is is ruins and produces nothing, except broken glass and some alloy waste.

I read somewhere some of the new panels use self cleaning glass.

[BradEL]

What miserable miserable news

[Adamz Ghia]

We are an island nation, completely surrounded by water.

And we don’t use tidal power.

The oceans will never die in our lifetime, they’re supposed to be even rising. The ocean currents never stop. Endless power that doesn’t stop when the sun goes down and the wind stops blowing. Perfect power source to charge our electric cars.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

We are an island nation, completely surrounded by water.

And we don’t use tidal power.

The oceans will never die in our lifetime, they’re supposed to be even rising. The ocean currents never stop. Endless power that doesn’t stop when the sun goes down and the wind stops blowing. Perfect power source to charge our electric cars.

Yeah can’t really see why tidal power hasn’t been trialled as an alternative source.Big fast flowing water out and in Port Phillip heads 4 times per day everyday and so close to major cities.Solar is a great supply but the need for big battery storage for base load is a bit of a problem.Wind power is a big con,don’t think a big windmill can ever recoup the massive initial cost

[ozrunner]

What a lot of tripe.

Boris can make such a feel good statement to please the lemmings knowing its 10 years away. He probably won't nor his mob be in power then plus circumstances change that can easily be used to modify it and he knows that.

Many Governments of the day have made forward announcements that subsequently get canned or changed by the next incoming Govt, eg like Rudd and his NBN cable to all houses proposal that was then changed to nodes only by the Libs and the list is long.

[ivorya]

No more tradies i guess!!!

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by ivorya

No more tradies i guess!!!

Why?

There are some epic EV utes under development at the moment.

Some probably already on sale in the US.

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Why?

There are some epic EV utes under development at the moment.

Some probably already on sale in the US.

Tongue in cheek there BUD!

You must not remember the SCARE campaign of Murdoch and the Liberals at the last election when Labor took a similar policy to the people!

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54981425

Geez I hope they leave a little more of the foredune area in that pic of the Sizewell, Surrey Plant. It may be a low wave energy area, but nature loves to throw long tails into bell curves...

[simon varley]

so the knock on affect of no manufacturers making RHD ICE cars forces us to hybrids too then, whether we like it or not.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by simon varley

so the knock on affect of no manufacturers making RHD ICE cars forces us to hybrids too then, whether we like it or not.

Precisely. We're just too small to have an independent voice.