Automotive manufacturing could return to Australia, Robyn Denholm claims

[fgpsi]

https://www.caradvice.com.au/957995/...enholm-claims/

[Bossxr8]

Would require a mega factory that could pump out at least 200,000 cars a year. But then where do they sell these cars to?

Pipe dream.

[lra]

If the Commodore Auto Company could build, sell and export nearly those numbers in the early 2000s, and the Falcon Car Company was allowed to build LHD export vehicles as well, it could have been achieved if both GM and Ford USA had been told to go and **** themselves in 2012.
Australia could have had a single viable industry, with the existing infrastructure in place.
There were more than enough smart people, engineers and designers spread within the two companies to accomplish this.
The moment has gone, and too many $$$$ are needed to start it again. We are destined to accept whatever scraps are being thrown after the rest of the world is supplied.
When Chinese cars are being praised as being affordable, and their engineering accepted as being sufficient for needs, be it ICE, PHEV or EV. we are doomed.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by lra

If the Commodore Auto Company could build, sell and export nearly those numbers in the early 2000s, and the Falcon Car Company was allowed to build LHD export vehicles as well, it could have been achieved if both GM and Ford USA had been told to go and **** themselves in 2012.
Australia could have had a single viable industry, with the existing infrastructure in place.
There were more than enough smart people, engineers and designers spread within the two companies to accomplish this.
The moment has gone, and too many $$$$ are needed to start it again. We are destined to accept whatever scraps are being thrown after the rest of the world is supplied.
When Chinese cars are being praised as being affordable, and their engineering accepted as being sufficient for needs, be it ICE, PHEV or EV. we are doomed.

We were doomed from the time the over powerful unions priced us out of the world labour market.Can not compete with labour rates at a maximum half Aust rates.Japan moved their motor manufacturing plants for that exact same reason.

[DFB FGXR6]

The woman is delusional!

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

We were doomed from the time the over powerful unions priced us out of the world labour market.Can not compete with labour rates at a maximum half Aust rates.Japan moved their motor manufacturing plants for that exact same reason.

well said. i forwarded this to your boss. He said he will have your new contract ready in the morning

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

well said. i forwarded this to your boss. He said he will have your new contract ready in the morning

Yep ready to go.Someone has to be the leader

[Electrolyte Burns]

Just another bloke looking for his 15 minutes of fame.

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by Electrolyte Burns

Just another bloke looking for his 15 minutes of fame.

Pretty sure its a chick lol

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

Pretty sure its a chick lol

Did you just assume their gender?

How dare you, they actually identify as a McDonnell Douglas AH-64 helicopter.

[Crazy Dazz]

Eventually, when the number of people employed digging up the Pilbara exceeds the population of Sydney, governments will be forced to start thinking about what else this country can do besides digging itself up. Either that, or they will just sell WA to the Chinese.
We SHOULD be making steel and steel products. We SHOULD be making copper, and electric motors. We SHOULD be making batteries.
Making ships, trains, and cars, is a logical extension.

However the biggest challenge facing Australia, is the lack of energy devoted to pulling our politicians' heads out of their *****. Until me can achieve that, nothing is going to change.
And I imagine I'll be long dead before that happens.

[yanknbank]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Eventually, when the number of people employed digging up the Pilbara exceeds the population of Sydney, governments will be forced to start thinking about what else this country can do besides digging itself up. Either that, or they will just sell WA to the Chinese.
We SHOULD be making steel and steel products. We SHOULD be making copper, and electric motors. We SHOULD be making batteries.
Making ships, trains, and cars, is a logical extension.

However the biggest challenge facing Australia, is the lack of energy devoted to pulling our politicians' heads out of their *****. Until me can achieve that, nothing is going to change.
And I imagine I'll be long dead before that happens.

.....instead we’re making left handed hammers, right hand threaded thunderbolts, female gluten free surf boards and decaf skinny soy latte’s (why bother?). The lucky country.

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Eventually, when the number of people employed digging up the Pilbara exceeds the population of Sydney......

well said! and to add, i question if they have the ability or will to do these things, the boys will look after themselves, boys club.
sorry but i have a very negative view of our "politicians"

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Eventually, when the number of people employed digging up the Pilbara exceeds the population of Sydney, governments will be forced to start thinking about what else this country can do besides digging itself up. Either that, or they will just sell WA to the Chinese.
We SHOULD be making steel and steel products. We SHOULD be making copper, and electric motors. We SHOULD be making batteries.
Making ships, trains, and cars, is a logical extension.

However the biggest challenge facing Australia, is the lack of energy devoted to pulling our politicians' heads out of their *****. Until me can achieve that, nothing is going to change.
And I imagine I'll be long dead before that happens.

When people start purchasing local manufactured goods instead of purchasing cheap inferior imports then Australia might once again have a viable manufacturing industry but in the meantime we are our own worse enemy.

BTW I'm working in the Steel manufacturing Industry and we are constantly struggling to stay afloat economically due to customers constantly wanting to import cheaper steel.
Not all government fault at times.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

When people start purchasing local manufactured goods instead of purchasing cheap inferior imports then Australia might once again have a viable manufacturing industry but in the meantime we are our own worse enemy.

BTW I'm working in the Steel manufacturing Industry and we are constantly struggling to stay afloat economically due to customers constantly wanting to import cheaper steel.
Not all government fault at times.

Yeah and the problem with the steel industry is that the miners somehow thought it was a great short term earner.No matter that it gets sold for a few dollars a tonne then we can buy it back next month for a few hundred dollars a tonne.Same thing with the timber industry,almost give it away so it can be bought back as cheap,rubbish furniture.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Yeah and the problem with the steel industry is that the miners somehow thought it was a great short term earner.No matter that it gets sold for a few dollars a tonne then we can buy it back next month for a few hundred dollars a tonne.Same thing with the timber industry,almost give it away so it can be bought back as cheap,rubbish furniture.

You have got it all wrong as you living in the past, everything is global on pricing, the only problem is we exporting good quality and purchasing import **** quality.

Do you remember when the East link freeway was built and the steel gantry's for signs were reported to be cracking and breaking from Chinese imports.

[roKWiz]

Aussie companies who make components for KTA.

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Do you remember when the East link freeway was built and the steel gantry's for signs were reported to be cracking and breaking from Chinese imports.

thats cause chinese can,t weld for ****. ive heard many times in the structural steel business that imported chinese structural steel has faulty welds, these welds are cut out in Australia , and then rewelded to pass the welding specification.

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

.
Either that, or they will just sell WA to the Chinese...

no need to. they are just going to come and take it.
they already own the ports soo they can just turn them off and sail their battle ships in

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

no need to. they are just going to come and take it.
they already own the ports soo they can just turn them off and sail their battle ships in

not sure if serious

recommend history of battleships on youtube

[CyberWasp]

Automotive Manufacturing is already here.
Why hasn't everybody put down a deposit yet?
https://www.ace-ev.com.au/

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Automotive Manufacturing is already here.
Why hasn't everybody put down a deposit yet?
https://www.ace-ev.com.au/


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would look good with 20 inch dark argents

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

We were doomed from the time the over powerful unions priced us out of the world labour market.Can not compete with labour rates at a maximum half Aust rates.Japan moved their motor manufacturing plants for that exact same reason.

Not this **** again. If that was the case, then why is manufacturing in Germany, the USA, Canada and South Korea booming? When they are higher paid auto workers than we were.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Not this **** again. If that was the case, then why is manufacturing in Germany, the USA, Canada and South Korea booming? When they are higher paid auto workers than we were.

Just maybe because the others are more efficient and work a days work for a days pay and not wanting 20% of their working life on holidays

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Not this **** again. If that was the case, then why is manufacturing in Germany, the USA, Canada and South Korea booming? When they are higher paid auto workers than we were.

Well there is this:

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Just maybe because the others are more efficient and work a days work for a days pay and not wanting 20% of their working life on holidays

Also those countries that you list have populations much greater than ours (except maybe Canada which is just an extension of the US auto industry). That much greater population can support the subsidies that their industries receive.

With only 25 million people we cannot afford those subsidies.

Dr Terry

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Just maybe because the others are more efficient and work a days work for a days pay and not wanting 20% of their working life on holidays

They have similar leave entitlements to ours. I've looked. Keep beating that drum though

The more efficient part is because they work in mega factories geared up to build 200,000 + vehicles per year. That was the biggest killer of Broady, it could never build enough vehicles for economy of scale, when it was maxed out at about 100,000 cars a year.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Well there is this:

Also those countries that you list have populations much greater than ours (except maybe Canada which is just an extension of the US auto industry). That much greater population can support the subsidies that their industries receive.

With only 25 million people we cannot afford those subsidies.

Dr Terry

That is also one of the biggest killers for australian auto manufacturing. We simply do not have the population to support it, cause our market is 17 times smaller than it is in the US. Hence we do not have the potential sales numbers to support building locally. The sales volumes need to support the investment.

Thats why people who keep sprouting the idea that auto manufacturing will come back here are making zero sense.

But nah it's the unions and high wages

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Not this **** again. If that was the case, then why is manufacturing in Germany, the USA, Canada and South Korea booming? When they are higher paid auto workers than we were.

Because they're pumping out Hundreds of Thousands care per annum, as apposed to; the tens of Thousands of cars Australia used to produce..

[anobserver]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Automotive Manufacturing is already here.
Why hasn't everybody put down a deposit yet?
https://www.ace-ev.com.au/


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If we pass the hat 'round, we can buy Cav one.

[xb74_black]

Any new automotive enterprise would be high tech and highly automated.



If the history of car building in oz teaches us anything it is that a partnership where a foreign multinational sets up manufacturing here, only suits the multinational.

If a locally owned car company had setup in the 40s or 50s we would probably still have car built here. We might not have had the skillset then, we certainly do now.


Dual cab utes and electric cars is what would sell locally, and be exportable.