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27-07-2024, 05:18 PM | #1 | ||
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We've had the RAM, the Chevy Silverado, the F150, the GMC Yukon supersize Australian roads, now here's some more Blue Oval, courtesy of a Sri Lankan based Aussie company!
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...l-to-australia At any rate, some more big Americana for our massive continent.
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27-07-2024, 06:12 PM | #2 | ||
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Why can I hear Kamahl crooning the old Dilmah ads; “Fragrant island…”
So this is actually the Lankan Navigator? |
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27-07-2024, 06:29 PM | #3 | ||
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That things got a head like a dog chewin a wasp!
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27-07-2024, 07:55 PM | #4 | ||
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Hahaha! But you just know it'll keep chewin'.
If I'm right, this is the same platform as the Ford Expedition, go look up the latest model, that looks much nicer in the front. Expedition is much cleaner in it's looks. As we live in a world where we can't always have nice things, this is a pretty good step nonetheless.
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27-07-2024, 10:50 PM | #5 | ||
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Hmmm, seems it’ll be the long wheel base too, so 6 people and a proper boot. Wonder if it drives as good as a euro, and just how expensive it’ll be.
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28-07-2024, 06:07 AM | #6 | |||
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Reserve L is close to US$100K so double that an add say, $40K LCT and it’s about $240K. Edit, Mustang would be the exception to the above as it’s a factory RHD Last edited by jpd80; 28-07-2024 at 06:14 AM. |
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28-07-2024, 10:05 AM | #7 | |||
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Or swap my Terries V6 diesel for a Coyote/Barra turbo. |
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28-07-2024, 10:27 AM | #8 | ||
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How much is a new G-Wagen again? This FoMoCo beast will cakewalk to near top of its class (expensive, showy SUVs).
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28-07-2024, 06:15 PM | #9 | |||
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With Cadillac, GM pursued chassis dynamics that would rival the German competitors. To achieve that, they created bespoke platforms to compete with RWD BMW and Mercedes sedans. In this regard, they achieved their goals, most praising the excellence of the chassis and steering. But...................no one bought them. It seems like Cadillac buyers wanted a Cadillac and not an American 3 or 5-Series BMW. So, all that money spent on bespoke platforms when in actual fact buyers wanted the Escalade, which was based on a ladder frame Chevy/GMC truck platform. Ford's approach with Lincoln couldn't have been more different. Ford knew that without starting from a clean slate, they were never going to achieve BMW-esq driving dynamics. And after seeing GM fail to gain traction from that approach, they realized that no matter how good they drove, people were not buying BMW's for their chassis prowess..........it was all about the badge and driveway cred. So, Lincoln products are based on existing Ford platforms and models. The saving made here allowed them to put more money into the interior materials and finishes. They then decided to focus on comfort rather than "sporty" dynamics, mainly because this is what the target market actually wanted and not the perceived superiority of stiff suspension and high corning speeds. And even though they don't have the same sales potential, the range of Lincoln vehicles are considerably more profitable for Ford than what GM have done with Cadillac. The same approach has been highly successful for Toyota with Lexus, or even the GM with Buick. Long story short, I wouldn't expect a Lincoln Navigator to handle like a Euro. But it would be safe to bet it would be much more comfortable over our terrible quality roads.
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28-07-2024, 07:31 PM | #10 | ||
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So, you’d rather like one?
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29-07-2024, 11:32 AM | #11 | |||
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That makes sense, they basically took a long established brand identity then decided to tip it on its head. I feel like all their efforts with Cadillac they should have just introduced under a new entrant into the US market, sell it under Holden in the US. That way new brand to the region, no preconceived ideas about the cars and not destroying an established brand that it's customers are stale old men who buy floaty pieces of shit that drive like the Costa Concordia |
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27-07-2024, 07:40 PM | #13 | ||
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But will this one be recalled 43 times like the F-150?
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28-07-2024, 04:49 AM | #15 | ||
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Have to agree with Sprintey, Expedition front looks heaps better.
I prefer the rear of the Expedition as well. Don't like the interior of the Navigator, the wood looks cheap. |
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28-07-2024, 09:41 AM | #16 | ||
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Navigator is the oldest current design for Lincoln, Lincoln Aviator is the looker (imho) while new Nautilus is a guide of where interior|exterior design is going.
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28-07-2024, 09:57 AM | #17 | ||
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28-07-2024, 10:14 AM | #18 | |||
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Chinese market Explorer started the wide screen look although its not full width and I think both interior/exterior looks better than the North American version. |
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28-07-2024, 10:05 AM | #19 | |||
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it will be similar price to Navigator but looks a lot better fresher…scary how expensive the now are On second thought, I looked at starting price of Explorer at US$38k and think that either it or the Aviator would be a lot more reasonable deal but that’s me not an actual buyer. |
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28-07-2024, 10:24 AM | #20 | ||
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Honestly, I can see both GM and Ford exiting China within five years, it’s getting really hard for them.
Happy to be proven completely wrong with this but I think the Chinese are done with western brands. |
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28-07-2024, 05:51 PM | #21 | |||
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Nah they’ll still buy premium brand euro in spades it’s status status for a while yet before a Chinese brand will ever have that cred to middle high income earners there. Ford are late to the party into China. They couldn’t predict their bad timing to hugely invest their under 10yrs ago. Their distribution was minimal pre then for decades they missed that boat as well. GM VW were decades ahead And had good distribution and entrenched. In the meantime the Chinese increased their own brands having g so much western euro IP their own brands got ramped up and then massive Export what we’ve seen building up to date. Ford are a minnow to them and consumers. Mr Ford should have realised this long ago but had to take the leap in the hope of grabbing some fair % of local massive growth. As I said looks like they have missed the boat. Instead of putting the focus into China maybe they should have looked to other countries where where they have floundered and neglected for so long let alone feck all market share. China, they wanted to jump on the easy growth gravy train. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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30-07-2024, 02:10 AM | #22 | |||
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It's all about the nearly 100 Chinese Vehicle Manufacturers and how far advanced their products are over anything Yank. |
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31-07-2024, 09:28 AM | #23 | |||
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And yes, exactly because Chinese brands are taking back their own market. Of course, the Chinese government would have nothing to do with influencing buyers…. |
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28-07-2024, 10:42 AM | #24 | ||
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Just a a matter of interest would you think a Ranger with say a 30cm shorter rear tub that is instead put towards a longer cabin would work as you don’t increase overall footprint and easier to park than F-150.
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29-07-2024, 02:38 PM | #25 | ||
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you are talking about lost cause GM the last 20+yrs Franco.
Been a basket case - desparate is desparate, use any marque to make out its a new dawn, new direction yer yer.. Re read this - when you see the figures its mind boggling, the only positive that US Gov bail out is Ford looked great. I recall reading way back then (09) the broke CEO's landing in their private jets asking for the bail outs haha https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/...er-right-call/
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29-07-2024, 04:31 PM | #26 | |||
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Edit: https://blog.ganderson.us/articles/e...-gm-and-obama/ "The real loser in the General Motors deal is the legitimacy of the economic system in the United States. Although there were large profits to be made from the launch of the new GM IPO, a precedent has been set whereby a government administration can confiscate the ownership of a company, reorganize it, and pay off its political supporters. The former investors were betrayed by political decree, and once betrayed, the legitimacy of the system will never be the same."
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29-07-2024, 05:02 PM | #27 | ||
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Here's a Grand Wagoneer review that mentions in passing the Escalade, Yukon, Navigator and how it doesn't compete with X7 or GLS directly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKHxUjSLbrs Got Chrysler's new Hurricane twin turbo I6 in it too. LOL at the 'fireplace scene' displaced on the screens for relaxation in a Jeep.
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29-07-2024, 06:04 PM | #28 | |||
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29-07-2024, 06:58 PM | #29 | ||
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I kinda dig the automotive diplodocuses, reviews of them are like a trip back to the 1970s Big 3 reviews in mags here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ2AW3xRM-g As she says, "y'all keep buying them so manufacturers keep making them..." The Wagoneer wins the review, and wins it for me - better interior, most comfortable drive, best economy, most size. A base Expedition at 58KUS (about 88,650AUD) plonks right in amongst upper dual cab utes and their wagons and for that you get 2 sizes more. If work ever saw me go to the US and earnings permitted, the biggest one of these in the longest iteration, just because.
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29-07-2024, 07:11 PM | #30 | |||
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12 yards long, 2 lanes wide, 65 tons of American Pride! Canyoneroooooo
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