Escort Engine Choice

blitzmile · 04-09-2005, 05:02 PM

I'm planning to buy a mark1 Escort. I just want to know which engine would be best for the car. i plan to work the engine. ive been told a 2 L from a cortina would be good. any other suggestions? thanks

The MaDDeSTMaN · 04-09-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blitzmile

I'm planning to buy a mark1 Escort. I just want to know which engine would be best for the car. i plan to work the engine. ive been told a 2 L from a cortina would be good. any other suggestions? thanks

Lots of options available to you, it all depends how willing you are to make modifications to suit it.

You could easily put in a 2L OHC "pinto" from a Cortina or post '77 Escort, would require the least in the way of modification and be a huge upgrade from the 1.3 or 1.1 OHV "kent" engines usually found in the Mk 1 Escorts. Fuel injection could then be added to it, but really, it also depends what you want to do with it?

Many people have also put lots of other engines in there, including Fords Zetecs, modern Nissan EFI turbo and non-turbos, and I've even heard of V6s slotted in between the suspension towers.

jonbays · 04-09-2005, 05:39 PM

I used to muck around with GT cortinas and the 1600GT engine and close ratio box are a good thing in a light body mk1 escort. Everything fits easily too. If you have money the BDA twin cam engine would be classy.

The 2 litre from any late escort or cortina is a great idea and I have seen a turbo 2 litre in a late escort that was a real flyer.

T_Terror · 04-09-2005, 05:56 PM

Nissan SR20 2.0litre turbo. Doubt youll find much better than that.

Or for a slightly more budget use a CA18. Less torque but they rev hard.

blitzmile · 04-09-2005, 11:43 PM

i did want to use a ford engine. i should have explained myself a bit better. what i want to acheive is a decently quick car, like around 120 or more rear wheel kw. is this possible from a 2 Litre pinto thats NA if it is worked.

The MaDDeSTMaN · 05-09-2005, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by blitzmile

i did want to use a ford engine. i should have explained myself a bit better. what i want to acheive is a decently quick car, like around 120 or more rear wheel kw. is this possible from a 2 Litre pinto thats NA if it is worked.

Possibly, but you wouldn't want to drive it every day in heavy traffic, it wouldn't be nice to drive below 2000-2500rpm. I don't think you'd need THAT much power anyway, with a decent diff ratio, well maintained manual box and making sure it's kept nice and light, even 60rwkw would mean it would be fairly quick and would still be really easy to drive.

For reference, here is some video I recorded in my old (completely stock engine) 2L powered Escort (only mods were 3.77:1 diff and short shift kit), keep in mind this was AFTER the engine started giving trouble, also that it would have done much better if I'd revved it to a little over 2 grand before letting the clutch out fairly quickly: http://www.fordforums.com.au/photos/...cat=500&page=1

The Mighty Red · 05-09-2005, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by T_Terror

Nissan SR20 2.0litre turbo. Doubt youll find much better than that.

Or for a slightly more budget use a CA18. Less torque but they rev hard.

Yep my brother inlaw has a SR20 2.0T in his series1 RX7, one of his many toys, ( god i hate him lol) nah he's a nice bloke really , anyway the car featured in fast4's mag last year and is DAMN rite f*kin scary.

He has spent over $70k on this car and if you were going to do something like this you need a big budget.
Too put a sr20Tand driveline to handle the power you will get very little change out of $30k
You put one of these fully engineered engines in your car you can forget about the rest of your driveline it will all have to be replaced with serious hardware
If you have the money to go this way you would be more than happy with the results and frighten the Begeeezzzuuuss out of yourself and your mates .....LOL.........

blitzmile · 05-09-2005, 09:27 AM

the car wont be used everyday as ill have another car. more of a weekender, so drivability isnt too much of a problem. so if around 100rwkw or more is possible, does anyone have any idea what work would need to be done to acheive this?

maddestman, how much power was your pinto putting out in stock form?

cheers

05-09-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by T_Terror

Nissan SR20 2.0litre turbo. Doubt youll find much better than that.

Or for a slightly more budget use a CA18. Less torque but they rev hard.

I was going to suggest the SR20

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Thornie · 05-09-2005, 12:05 AM

302 winsor

Walkinshaw · 05-09-2005, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RaTTuS

302 winsor

WORD!

Gammaboy · 05-09-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

WORD!

Pfft! 351 Clevo with CHI heads

TheSneakiness · 05-09-2005, 11:12 AM

What about sticking a Cosworth Turbo engine in it?

The MaDDeSTMaN · 05-09-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AUII_SE_Ute

What about sticking a Cosworth Turbo engine in it?

Mmmmmmmm Turbo cosworth... *drools all over keyboard* That would be my choice if I had the money...

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Originally Posted by blitzmile

the car wont be used everyday as ill have another car. more of a weekender, so drivability isnt too much of a problem. so if around 100rwkw or more is possible, does anyone have any idea what work would need to be done to acheive this?

maddestman, how much power was your pinto putting out in stock form?

cheers

You might find these threads interesting:
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=683
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=658

My pinto was completely stock, stock intake and exhaust too, and even had all the ADR 27A crap on it, so an educated guess would be that it would have been making around 65kw at the flywheel, perhaps a few more or less. Even with only a decent set of extractors, a good cam and a decent exhaust, given that the cars weigh less then 1000kgs, they can go suprisingly well, and they LOVE to rev. ;)

Sourbastard · 05-09-2005, 01:45 PM

***Thread moved toe scort Forum***

rag top · 05-09-2005, 07:40 PM

go the 2L pinto with a cossie twin cam head...

18-09-2005, 12:07 AM

boys me half way there i got sierra xr4ti not a cossie but it does neer 400hp its 2.3ltr turbo efi 28 pounds of boost motor still standed just bigger turbo an injecters goes mad beats alot new v8s today

blitzmile · 19-09-2005, 08:23 PM

a 302 winsor would require an engineers certificate, right? this isnt a problem anyway as its going to be a weekend car. to reach over 100rwkw would this be the go or not?

rag top · 20-09-2005, 11:07 PM

A 302 windsor in an esky would definately requrie an engineers certificate. Depending on where you are, it still might not be able to be registered.

If you want 100rwkw, why not turbo it instead? You'd most likely need engineers certificates, but you should be able to reach the 100rwkw target without sacrificing the handling abilities of the escort.

The MaDDeSTMaN · 20-09-2005, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by '67

A 302 windsor in an esky would definately requrie an engineers certificate. Depending on where you are, it still might not be able to be registered.

If you want 100rwkw, why not turbo it instead? You'd most likely need engineers certificates, but you should be able to reach the 100rwkw target without sacrificing the handling abilities of the escort.

I agree, there are a few turboed pintos getting around, and I think you'd be more then happy with it, not to mention it wouldn't ruin the weight balance like a V8 under the hood would - a V8 would be fine if you only go in a straight line, but as soon as you want to corner, just ask anyone who has driven a 6 cyl Cortina...

Timmeh · 20-09-2005, 11:29 PM

100rwkw is achieveable from an NA tune of the engine, where no engineers certificate is required, no costly turbo setup and plumbing involved, not to mention you'd prob want to EFI it (why bother turboing a carby setup, if you're gonna spend a couple grand might as well do the EFI mod too for better results).

People racing the Escorts were getting 220hp from the SOHC Pintos N/A (Darren Best who now races the ST170 in the Production Cars used to race Escorts and was telling me this), so getting 130hp at the treads is possible without resorting to boost, but a boosted engine will be more comfortable at 100rwkw than an N/A one. That power figure is nothing to a boosted engine, it wouldn't be working hard at all.

Tim

28-09-2005, 11:18 PM

this guy i work with had an eski back in his day n he said this thing could smoke anything that rocked up next 2 him at the lights.
2L 'pinto' with the biggest cam u can find, twin 40mm webers, hav the head ported n polished, get the block oversized 20 thou n ull hav a recipe for disaster... or so he says anyways...
also, flicking through 1 of my hot4's mags i found an SR20 eski... dont even go there... its much more than just an engine... all ur driveline will need replacing because it wont line up or with blow, the original radiator location needs to be cut out n radiator mounted behind the grille, peadals (inc. clutch) need to be converted to hydraulic... after all that ur car needs to be able to withstand the torque or the whole chassis will twist, and u need it to stop.... with all that in mind.... keep it simple lol!! ;)

12 · 28-09-2005, 11:41 PM

Here's a couple of pic's of an SR20DET in a MKII Escort. As you can see, plenty of room in front of the engine for the radiator. There's enough room for a decent sized intercooler in front of the radiator also.

The issue with the SR20 conversion is the Escort engine X member. The Escort engines had a rear oil sump, and the SR20 has a forward oil sump. And you cannot get a custom made rear sump for the SR20. The SR20 does fit in, but not easily. The Escort steering rack also gets in the way.

01-10-2005, 12:43 PM

how about the gearbox and tunnel... there practically no room in the tunnel for a bigger box if u've got a manual escort? did u need to modify the tunnel aswell ???

12 · 01-10-2005, 02:50 PM

That car is not mine, oh but how I wish it was..

: . Yes the tunnel needs to be larger if you have a manual, standard auto tunnel will except most Jap (Nissan, Toyota) 5 speeds.

blitzmile · 02-10-2005, 10:41 PM

hopefully tomororow ill be picking up a pinto engine. does anyone know of any books about performance mods that can be done to the engine, like porting etc. ?

The MaDDeSTMaN · 02-10-2005, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by blitzmile

hopefully tomororow ill be picking up a pinto engine. does anyone know of any books about performance mods that can be done to the engine, like porting etc. ?

The bible when it comes to modding a pinto is a book called "How to modify Fords 2.0L OHC Engine by David Vizard" or something like that, I've got it somewhere. If you can get your hands on this book, although it's a little dated now, it's well worth getting.

blitzmile · 03-10-2005, 10:21 AM

does it include sections on how to port the engine?

The MaDDeSTMaN · 03-10-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blitzmile

does it include sections on how to port the engine?

It certainly does have a lot on the best ways to optimise flow through the heads by porting, as well as discussing the merits of replacing the heads with various others. It has sections on forced induction (both turbo and super charging), optimum exhaust designs, different carby set-ups, the whole lot. DEFIANTLY worth getting if you're serious about working with these engines.

banarcus · 03-11-2005, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The MaDDeSTMaN

The bible when it comes to modding a pinto is a book called "How to modify Fords 2.0L OHC Engine by David Vizard" or something like that, I've got it somewhere. If you can get your hands on this book, although it's a little dated now, it's well worth getting.

Yes I can vouch for that book. In the end my esky was dynoed at 127hp at the rears. I ported the heads myself, I tried the apple port setup without the play dough inside, burtons vernier cam wheel, dave vizard valves etc